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Thema: Correct Wings setup on Pit Stops. |
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Suggestion No 10.
- I thing we must have the option on Every Pit stop to correct a few clicks the setup of the Wings.!!!
...So from -20 to +20 Clicks correction (or else) that will be with no time cost, and for bigger changes you easily Define the Right time cost on a pit stop.!!!
...there are 3 causes who change a Wing setup: a) Temperature b) Weather (rain or dry) & c) Wears of Parts.
- This happed on real F1 races as we see on TV.
- This suggestion will give New Interesting on the Races.!!!
** I don't know if is possible to correct and some other Parts setup.!!!
- Good Day from Beautiful Sithonia/Chalkidiki/Greece.!!!
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Quote ( Ioannis Kalogirou @ March 2nd 2018,09:43:15 )
Suggestion No 10.
One of the best so far ;-)
PS. BUT the WS only.
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#3 geschrieben Mär 2 2018, 10:12:38
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Quote ( Ioannis Kalogirou @ March 2nd 2018,09:43:15 ) Suggestion No 10.
is it only 10 it feels like so many more :)
It's not the worst idea you had however
Quote ( Ioannis Kalogirou @ March 2nd 2018,09:43:15 ) - This happed on real F1 races as we see on TV.
Seen as you bring RL into it, only the front wing is ever adjusted in RL, rear wings are fixed
Quote ( Ioannis Kalogirou @ March 2nd 2018,09:43:15 ) ...So from -20 to +20 Clicks correction (or else) that will be with no time cost, and for bigger changes you easily Define the Right time cost on a pit stop.!!!
Any change should cost time, there has to be cost vs benefit decision IMO
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#4 geschrieben Mär 2 2018, 10:18:06
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Quote ( Peter Willmore @ March 2nd 2018,10:12:38 ) Seen as you bring RL into it, only the front wing is ever adjusted in RL, rear wings are fixed
Gurney flaps?
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Quote ( Riley Dunlop @ March 2nd 2018,10:18:06 ) Gurney flaps?
I am gonna be honest I dunno what that is :-)
All I do know is I am pretty sure I have never seen the rear wing adjusted in f1 as this is what I mean't in response to Ioannis's point about us seeing it in F1, please correct me if I am wrong though
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#6 geschrieben Mär 2 2018, 10:35:47
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Quote ( Riley Dunlop @ March 2nd 2018,10:18:06 ) Gurney flaps? Is this adjustable? (Pit stop)
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#7 geschrieben Mär 2 2018, 11:19:20
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stay away from the Ouzo my friend :P
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#8 geschrieben Mär 2 2018, 12:03:20
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Quote ( Niels Wolters @ March 2nd 2018,11:19:20 ) stay away from the Ouzo my friend :P
Ouzo it's amazing and I use to drink it sometimes (after 1 holiday in Afytos-Kassandra-HALKIDIKI). I don't think it's the reason of bad/good suggestions, Sensations are very good after you drunk it, also your thoughts ...obviously not if you drunk 20 glasses or more ;)
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- Ouzo it's Known on the word but its not the best.!!!
...Ouzo has the alcohol from anions and i don't prefer.!!!
...the are almost Identical Kinds (like Oyzo) as RAKI (25-30%) & TSIKOUDIA (+60%), in Kreta (the bib Greek Island south)
and the TSIPOURO (20-25% alcohol) in North Greece, who cams from the Grapes.!!! (from all that remain after take the Wine)
...this is pure physical and irresistible.!!!
- By the way I don't drink so strong drinks.!!!
...I like my pure red wine (12,5%) and the Greek Beers (4,5%).!!!
:)
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#10 geschrieben Mär 2 2018, 12:59:51
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Τσίπουρο is definitely the best 😜
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#12 geschrieben Mär 2 2018, 14:54:06
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Quote ( Willem Van Mierlo @ March 2nd 2018,13:28:09 ) Quote ( Riley Dunlop @ March 2nd 2018,10:18:06 )
Gurney flaps? Quote ( Tibor Szuromi @ March 2nd 2018,10:35:47 )
Is this adjustable? (Pit stop) There have been some pitstops in the past where a gurney flap was removed to correct the car's balance.
Quote from the second link: Typically teams will add a more powerful gurney for a wet race, if the race dries then the teams will remove it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurney_flap
https://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/2011/10/11/pitstop-set-up-adj...
I bet you've never seen one put back on during a pitstop! Come to think of it it's been a while since I saw one removed, during a race. It might even be banned in F1. Not sure.
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#13 geschrieben Mär 2 2018, 14:59:59
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Quick wing adjustments are possible on racing cars (even though I think rear wing adjustments are banned in F1). Brake bias, and anti-rollbars can be adjusted without the car stopping, so it's just a question of do you want it to be incorporated into this game.
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#14 geschrieben Mär 2 2018, 16:07:30
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Quote ( David Sims @ March 2nd 2018,14:54:06 ) I bet you've never seen one put back on during a pitstop! Come to think of it it's been a while since I saw one removed, during a race. It might even be banned in F1. Not sure.
Yes I was wondering the same. I recall seeing one being hacked off with what looked like a paint stripper in an F1 race when it was drying out after rain but that was a looong time ago
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#15 geschrieben Mär 2 2018, 16:39:52
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Sorry Ioannis, I like the idea but it is not possible to do that because....
Qualifying closes at 12:30 AM Australia.
I watch the race 'live' at 2 PM EST and the race is 'run' at 8 PM CET and in Australia it is at 2 AM
How is my partner in Australia, supposed to adjust anything between race start 2 AM and finish at 4 AM, when he is sleeping?
It is not a 'live' race, the script is written to the game engine in the 1.5 hours from end of Q's to race start.
Have a great race anyway, Ioannis :)
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#16 geschrieben Mär 2 2018, 17:01:06
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Quote ( Roy Mitchell @ March 2nd 2018,16:39:52 )
Sorry Ioannis, I like the idea but it is not possible to do that because....
Qualifying closes at 12:30 AM Australia.
I'd presumed that Ioannis was suggesting it been done similarly to fuel quantity selection. You'd take a calculated risk for each pit stop whether you'd have wing adjustment made.
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#17 geschrieben Mär 2 2018, 17:28:12
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We do not know; how the game engine works.
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Quote ( Ioannis Kalogirou @ March 2nd 2018,09:43:15 ) - This suggestion will give New Interesting on the Races.!!!
Actually quite the opposite.
Currently you choose which setup you use for the duration of the race, i.e wet or dry and you either gain or lose a bit depending on which way you decide to go.
IF this was implemented, everyone would always have the correct setup for prevailing conditions, thus making it less interesting.
The more conformed strategies/tactics are, the less interesting.
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#19 geschrieben Mär 3 2018, 01:36:03
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Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ March 3rd 2018,01:29:25 ) everyone would always have the correct setup for prevailing conditions
Not entirely true, this suggestion was about wings and only slight modifications
But....
Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ March 3rd 2018,01:29:25 ) The more conformed strategies/tactics are, the less interesting.
Agreed
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#20 geschrieben Mär 3 2018, 01:43:06
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Quote ( Ioannis Kalogirou @ March 2nd 2018,09:43:15 ) .So from -20 to +20 Clicks correction
Seriously .....................Anybody who has a " good data base " will know that this would make no difference ...I refer to the drivers happy range .
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Quote ( Mike Bennett @ March 3rd 2018,01:43:06 ) Seriously .....................Anybody who has a " good data base " will know that this would make no difference ...I refer to the drivers happy range .
Could be up to 0.1s at some places, not that i'm arguing for it... but it would make SOME (very small) difference.
For many, it wouldn't put you into or out of the happy range you reference, but that doesn't mean it would not affect lap times.
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In fact Daniel we /the team had this this very discussion .iirc last season and I tested it .. and the best that I could get from my " calc" setup was .01secs /lap !
What is important is a good race (season) strategy ....tonight's race is a Prime example :)
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#23 geschrieben Mär 3 2018, 01:55:13
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Quote ( Mike Bennett @ March 3rd 2018,01:50:50 ) In fact Daniel we /the team had this this very discussion .iirc last season and I tested it .. and the best that I could get from my " calc" setup was .01secs /lap !
Depends on the track, it will definitely never be much
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Quote ( Daniel Douglas @ March 3rd 2018,01:55:13 ) Depends on the track, it will definitely never be much
QFT
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What is more important is the "right tactics" for the race...this race is a prime example of this !
In fact I am surprised at the number of Managers who got the weather forecast so wrong , and I mean in Elite and also so many "experienced" managers !
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#25 geschrieben Mär 5 2018, 15:30:38
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Dear Ioannis! You are analyzing a lot of things. Have you seen how much time difference can be placed on the race? Pretty ridiculous. Not to mention the lottery. This does not have to complicate this. That's my opinion.
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- Dear Tibor.!!!
1) ...it's not so ridiculous the difference, even we setup on 3 Degrees + or - on Temp.!!!
...thats you can easy find if make practice with 3 Degrees difference.!!! (this will mean +15 or -15 clicks on the Wings setup and time difference up to 2-3/10 (0,2-0,3 s) on the lap.!!! ...and more than 15" on 60 laps.!!!
2) If you calculate the Huge differences on Rain - Dry setup you see 2-3 minutes.!!!
3) ...maybe from the Wear of wings the differences are pretty small.!!!
- But any way the small differences Don't make the Big difference between Wins and loses or from a simply Overtake or block.!!!
- We love F1 for that, and the Mathematics too.!!!
:)
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#27 geschrieben Mär 5 2018, 18:23:00
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Ioannis!
You have the opportunity.
Set a WS you want! You can do this in advance. There is no need to change this.
Other parts are also set. Or not?
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#28 geschrieben Mär 5 2018, 20:05:03
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