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Thema: Money and wealth - What if? |
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What if the amount of money you have is not the problem but what you can do with it? If a money hoarder can't use their money to buy an advantage what are their money worth?
Limit the available tyre brands in pro. That would also make pro less expensive and make the problem even less profound.
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#2 geschrieben Mär 14 2018, 11:59:26
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Limit them to what though? Someone taking the right 2.5mil driver in Pro can promote on Dunnos just fine in the first season. They would dominate a second season. I'd much sooner do that to get through Pro than take Michis, so I don't think limiting the tyre option is the solution.
Granted, it would likely lessen the problem, but money hoarders have a lot of options in Pro. Drivers are still very significant, testing with a good TD can do wonders, level 7-8 parts aren't much more expensive than taking an expensive tyre. I'd say expensive tyres are towards the back-end of priority to fix, if it's even Pro that needs fixing. I'd like MG's suggestion of fixing the gap of race income between Amateur and Pro before anything else. Just my opinion :)
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#3 geschrieben Mär 14 2018, 13:01:20 (letzte Änderung Mär 14 2018, 13:06:07 von Andrew Wilden)
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I agree with Josh.
I am in the fastest Pro group this season in a promo run.
I have done the hard work to build a driver over almost seven seasons and am only getting beaten by a set of Michis atm.
However he is running low on cash, car level & CCPs.
You can do a lot with an extra $56.1 million comparing running Michis v's Dunnos.
Restricting tyre choice in Pro has been suggested many times, but I am against it.
We should have the freedom to manage our account as we see fit once reaching Pro imho
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#4 geschrieben Mär 14 2018, 13:15:45 (letzte Änderung Mär 14 2018, 13:20:20 von Josh Clark)
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Actually Mihail Golovanov is a good example of why I don't think there is much of a money problem in Pro for managers that are careful with it.
He promoted to Pro with 160mil from Amateur
He then spent 6 seasons in Pro with over 100mil (only 1 of which he received a bonus 5mil for completing all races)
Then promoted from Pro with 160mil
Then lost 120mil in Master.
Maybe his plan was to save in Pro by not testing, then maybe failed to re-sign his driver and attempted to do too much with too little time with a new driver? Either way, Master is where he buggered up his eco, whereas most people panic and do it in Pro. I think it just depends on how confident you are with each tier. And given that there is a lot to learn in Pro, it's likely people take a while to get used to the expenditures.
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#5 geschrieben Mär 14 2018, 14:11:30 (letzte Änderung Mär 14 2018, 14:15:09 von Riley Dunlop)
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Yes.... I buggered up my money in Master and I'm still trying to recover
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#6 geschrieben Mär 14 2018, 14:53:25
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I was expecting a much more philosophical topic after seeing the title.
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#7 geschrieben Mär 14 2018, 14:55:28
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There's nothing wrong with tyres in Pro. Sure going up against Michis in a promo season is a bee hatch but I doubt you'd come up against 2 or 3 promo runners on Michis in the same season.
If you're struggling in Pro it's likely driver related or more likely a combination of the whole package.
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#8 geschrieben Mär 14 2018, 15:04:47
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The opening post wasn't meant to focus only on tyres, but use tyres as an example...
Quote ( Josh Clark @ March 14th 2018,11:59:26 ) Limit them to what though?
I think limit them from anything a normal wealthy manager ordinarily could use wouldn't be good. Take Bridgerock for example, being almost $100M/season more expensive than Dunnolops makes it a choice for only a few and an obvious candidate. Two more brands may be close to being candidates also. To leave enough strategies open you would need two main-stream brands, the option of at least 1 probably 2 cheaper brands, and the same for a more expensive/risky route.
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#9 geschrieben Mär 14 2018, 15:07:53
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Few people build up hundreds of millions over a real life year just to blow it all in 1 season only to obtain success in Pro. And if they do, then good luck to them.
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#10 geschrieben Mär 14 2018, 15:09:59
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yea i have money. what is it? :P
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#11 geschrieben Mär 14 2018, 15:29:18
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Where is Robin Hood?
Frankly I'm just relieved this is not some soyboy Bernie bro arguing socialism.
If Pro groups were like Venezuela eh lol.
I'm only gonna be taking 125mill after the theft (I mean tax) to Pro, I'm not in the 1% am I?
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#12 geschrieben Mär 14 2018, 15:31:02
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Quote ( Sam Wainwright @ March 14th 2018,15:07:53 ) Few people build up hundreds of millions over a real life year just to blow it all in 1 season only to obtain success in Pro. And if they do, then good luck to them.
Question is does one really need those big bags of money in Pro? Guess I'm gonna find out next season in Pro ;)
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#13 geschrieben Mär 14 2018, 15:39:33
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Hanging around in Pro can be a money drain unless you have sponsorship sorted before arriving there ;)
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#14 geschrieben Mär 14 2018, 16:01:25
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Quote ( Jay De Snoo @ March 14th 2018,15:31:02 ) Question is does one really need those big bags of money in Pro?
No.
But having it isn't a bad thing.
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#15 geschrieben Mär 14 2018, 17:00:00
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If someone has to much money and it's becoming a proble, then just pass it on to me.
I'm always ready to help in that department. In fact, my wife says I'm brilliant at spending money :)
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#16 geschrieben Mär 14 2018, 17:46:19
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Quote ( Mark Philips @ March 14th 2018,17:00:00 ) I'm always ready to help in that department. In fact, my wife says I'm brilliant at spending money :)
Isn't that normally the other way round? The husband blaming the wife for spending it?
;)
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#17 geschrieben Mär 14 2018, 18:18:29 (letzte Änderung Mär 14 2018, 18:19:03 von Josh Clark)
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Quote ( Stefan Olofsson @ March 14th 2018,15:04:47 ) I think limit them from anything a normal wealthy manager ordinarily could use wouldn't be good.
Hmm but again using Golovanov as an example (in Andrew's group), he has more money than he started the season with and he took Michis. I'd say for anyone careful enough, or anyone who has planned enough, every tyre apart from BR is affordable in Pro. Obviously not affordable for everyone, but anyone in a promotion position can effectively afford Michis and under.
I'm not trying to argue for the sake of arguing, I'm actually quite indifferent on the limiting tyres in tiers thing. I just don't think it's effective in what you're suggesting. If you don't let a rich person take expensive tyres, you can be sure as hell they'll find something else to spend money on. And you can't take away all their options - restricting the game like that just isn't good for growth. And even if you did somehow stop rich managers spending all their money in Pro, they'll just spend it all in Master, or Elite. People are already turning up to Elite with as strong a package as the frontrunners and 100mil more than them. It's great, it's nice to see new faces in the top 10 all the time, it stops people whinging about sponsors ;)
My point is, I don't think this is the right way to go about making hoarding money less necessary. I think tackling the problem at its core would be better - if it is widely regarded as a problem. MG's suggestion about changing race incomes in Amateur and Pro, imo, should have been implemented.
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#18 geschrieben Mär 14 2018, 18:24:32
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Quote ( Andrew Wilden @ March 14th 2018,13:01:20 ) I agree with Josh.
I am in the fastest Pro group this season in a promo run.
I have done the hard work to build a driver over almost seven seasons and am only getting beaten by a set of Michis atm.
However he is running low on cash, car level & CCPs.
You can do a lot with an extra $56.1 million comparing running Michis v's Dunnos.
Restricting tyre choice in Pro has been suggested many times, but I am against it.
We should have the freedom to manage our account as we see fit once reaching Pro imho
i have the same with hankock hahahhaa
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#19 geschrieben Mär 14 2018, 18:26:30
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Quote ( Robin Goodey @ March 14th 2018,17:46:19 ) Quote ( Mark Philips @ March 14th 2018,17:00:00 )
I'm always ready to help in that department. In fact, my wife says I'm brilliant at spending money :)
Isn't that normally the other way round? The husband blaming the wife for spending it?
;)
if you do it good you can spend the money and blaming her whahahahahahahhahaa
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#20 geschrieben Mär 14 2018, 18:40:44
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Quote ( Robbert Bultstra @ March 14th 2018,18:24:32 ) i have the same with hankock hahahhaa But you don't race any Hancocks in Ama ;)
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#21 geschrieben Mär 14 2018, 20:03:58
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Quote ( Josh Clark @ March 14th 2018,18:18:29 ) Hmm but again using Golovanov as an example (in Andrew's group), he has more money than he started the season with and he took Michis. I'd say for anyone careful enough, or anyone who has planned enough, every tyre apart from BR is affordable in Pro. Obviously not affordable for everyone, but anyone in a promotion position can effectively afford Michis and under.
But how do you know he doesn't have to replace the whole car for the next race. Thing is it's the end of season balance that counts ;)
Likewise making a profit may well mean not doing what others are doing during the season and ensuring that you're slower for the remainder of the season.
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#22 geschrieben Mär 14 2018, 21:16:59
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Quote ( Josh Clark @ March 14th 2018,18:18:29 ) I think tackling the problem at its core would be better - if it is widely regarded as a problem. MG's suggestion about changing race incomes in Amateur and Pro, imo, should have been implemented.
Personally I don't think the race income is the problem but the lack of 'required' spending in ama. Right now outside a bit higher car lvl there isn't any difference between rookie and Ama. Give ama's something to spent on. Either introduce tyre option or TD to get used to it before pro. Make S&F more meaningful... things like that.
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#23 geschrieben Mär 14 2018, 21:38:06
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Quote ( Josh Clark @ March 14th 2018,18:18:29 ) using Golovanov as an example ... anyone in a promotion position can effectively afford Michis and under.
I agree in principle with you, but any limitation would be useless including only one brand.
Quote ( Josh Clark @ March 14th 2018,18:18:29 ) I'm not trying to argue for the sake of arguing
I think you are putting forward some very valid arguments and I given you thumps up on both posts. We are close on some points while I don't agree on some. I'm fine with having different opinions.
I think fighting this "problem" on both fronts are better than only in one. Blocking one path congest the others making them less effective. Limiting an option that I thought was mostly used by one category of players and more or less not at all by others seems not that intrusive to me, but it looks like I am wrong.
Looking at the seven managers using Hancook and Michelini this season, only one started the season with more than $100M and two more slightly below. I had expected something a little bit different.
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#24 geschrieben Mär 14 2018, 23:35:43
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Quote ( Josh Clark @ March 14th 2018,18:18:29 ) Hmm but again using Golovanov as an example (in Andrew's group), he has more money than he started the season with and he took Michis.
If you take a look at the Best Managers (by sponsor money), he is up there very close to the top. Which is why he hasn't been losing money. One could say that is fine.. he is a good manager to have all those sponsors. I have a slightly different theory. I think that the sponsor change has forced a lot of managers to use up their sponsors sooner than they would like. Even with a per race income close to 5 mil I am way down in 28th place. In the past it would be closer to 10, maybe even better.
Here's what I am trying to say.. let's not jump to conclusions. It may be wise to hold on for at least a couple of seasons and see how this sponsor limit change affects the game. Maybe the new generation of amateur managers coming up with lesser sponsors won't be able to splurge like this and problem solved.
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