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I beg to differ as FOBY is still a big part of the game I consider myself still a noob and to be fair when you ask a question yeah they don't exactly say FOBY to you but it either gets ignored or ppl say search the forums well I've searched and certain questions I need answers to their are no clues it's just trial and error. Some ppl may like that others may not but when your learning a game you need as much help as possible. Now with the drivers energy for example it's way to severe that would be my only complaint cuz let's put it this way if I operated a formula 1 team and my driver was only giving 30-40% each race he would soon get the boot. Also driver stats at certain lvls when they get to high you lose em so what's the point of training a youngster for 2 seasons and just as he's good enough to take you to the next lvl he's gone. There are other things I would like in the game i.e. The ability to choose different tyres so stint 1 soft stint 2 medium etc all though not everyone would agree but at least they would be able to choose with drivers energy no choice either work with it or lump it. All in all I Spode what I'm trying to say is new players like myself would like a page where we can find out what each drivers stat does so I could work out why my driver is crap in qualifying but 6th fastest in every race then maybe a few more would stay not just give up after 3 races FOBY is definitely still here and it doesn't help the game
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my causes: - driver´s energy: now is more difficult to break track records because u have to down drivers risk in for whole race. - hard track overtake-ing are really boring race to watch. - Roocky playeRs dont really got it the main goal of this game, and when u ask question the principal awnser is FOBY.
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Quote ( Juan Pereyra @ January 6th 2017,22:37:13 ) when u ask question the principla awnser is FOBY When???
People keeps saying this, I watch the newbie forum, mainly to get players into the mentor forum, I havent seen this for ages, or if it said as a joke even, everyone complains and helps the person asking
Am I missing it? Can you think of an actual time a new player got Foby'd without it being sorted?
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Quote ( Simon Jones @ January 6th 2017,22:37:05 ) ppl say search the forums well I've searched and certain questions I need answers to their are no clues it's just trial and error. No one is going to tell you the answers, thats fair enough. No one told me. Or anyone else, once you start to get the hang of it, you join a team, you have more people to figure it out with.
I would have quit if all the answers were given... the game is meant to make you think. But actual FOBY is not used that I see... just ideas of how to find out, or directions to mentor program.
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Energy system is totally random... For example there are 2 drivers "A" and "B", and use same risk in every race... Sometimes "A" lost the 100% energy earlier, but sometimes "B"....why? There is no tendency.... if somebody want to confute, write me reasons.... Because it can not be that no one knows of my mates or programs.
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The energy is proving difficult for a lot of people to figure out, don't think its a bad thing though, nice to see Elites and Rookies trying to work out the same things for a change.
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Had a mentor he was a brilliant help but like You say I don't want everything put on a plate for me as that would be boring but it is nigh on impossible for you to find out this kind of thing for yourself you need a mentor and you need a good team but what happens if you don't get either as is very possible my first team was rubbish and I'm not asking anyone to do my setup on race days just a few more answers on the forums to help guide you down a clear path
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Quote ( Simon Jones @ January 6th 2017,22:37:05 ) when you ask a question yeah they don't exactly say FOBY to you but it either gets ignored or ppl say search the forums
I can't think I've ever seen someone asking for help being ignored on the forum and, like saying FOBY, "search the forums" with no other help or guidance would not be accepted by the mods or the rest of the community (that is not to say "you can find more information by searching whatever" is not totally fine, but that's different from just being told to search for your answers with no other help.
Quote ( Juan Pereyra @ January 6th 2017,22:37:13 ) and when u ask question the principal awnser is FOBY.
Again, can you show me where??
I'm with Kirsty, the kind of things you guys are talking about is stuff that I haven't seen often on the forums in years, and is stuff that, on the rare occasion it does happen, sees plenty down thumbs and other people stepping in and helping out (and that's before a mod deals with any unhelpful responses).
Surely it must be a perception thing (maybe from looking at older areas of the forum).
Simon, with all due respect, I've just looked at every single post you've ever made on the public forum, and you've never once asked for any help or advice, yet you claim that doing so would only receive no response or "search the forum" responses. Now I remember when that was pretty much the case (it was certainly the feeling I had when I was a newer player, and FOBY or "search the forum" was much more common responses, as well as threads being closed for even asking stuff that had been asked before), but it absolutely is not now, and has not been for a very long time.
Still waiting for someone to show me a few recent cases (hell, say in the last year or two) of a common FOBY style response that wasn't quickly criticise by others and more helpful answers given.
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It's frustrating but to be honest if you rely on certain races to get results then you leave yourself exposed to bad luck.
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LIVE SCREEN.
I remember online manager F 1 - tm .com which did look this way (if anyone remmembers):
http://tinyurl.com/gnurmf2 http://tinyurl.com/gr94ln3 http://tinyurl.com/zymjwlm
(without spaces)
This one I liked much. There was even live Qualifying, You could tell the driver to go out and to make 3 laps. Everything was live with a commentary.
If I remember it right, there was live screen with dots cruising around the track. I really liked it.
You got 6 sets of tyres (3soft 3 hard probably) and had to choose some for Q, R... amazing :D
You got to make research for you next year´s car, divide resources... Develop the car throughout the year...
Anybody does remember it?
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I usualy being in Spanish´s lenguage forun , and there, you cant do a direct question because is a foby thing, if you can help nooby managers by post why you cant do the same thing direct at forum . In our latin american forum people everyday participate less, if one noobie enters the first thing it got for its asking is " is a foby question", we have in forum several times discussions about this subject and another questions of game.No all latim american manager are able to speak english, this is another problem for me.
And let me think different to you, dont try to show me i am wrong.
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Quote ( Kirsty Ridley @ January 6th 2017,22:45:44 ) nice to see Elites and Rookies trying to work out the same things for a change.
That's true, but in Rookie or Amateur people have much more opportunities to try different things how effect energy, but in Master or in Elite you have to pay very hard for each bad decision.
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Quote ( András Bozóti @ January 6th 2017,23:06:22 ) That's true, but in Rookie or Amateur people have much more opportunities to try different things how effect energy, but in Master or in Elite you have to pay very hard for each bad decision. Yes, I didn't think of it that way, but very true, although as long as all of elite face the same challenge, I guess it evens out. But the cost of misjudging is a lot higher in elite or even in master.
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Quote ( Kevin Parkinson @ January 6th 2017,22:57:42 ) Simon, with all due respect, I've just looked at every single post you've ever made on the public forum, and you've never once asked for any help or advice, yet you claim that doing so would only receive no response or "search the forum" responses. Now I remember when that was pretty much the case (it was certainly the feeling I had when I was a newer player, and FOBY or "search the forum" was much more common responses, as well as threads being closed for even asking stuff that had been asked before), but it absolutely is not now, and has not been for a very long time.
Naw to be fair to you I have never asked anything that has ever had either response but that's mainly because I search the forums and other ppl have asked the things I want to know and that was the general response to them. I do apologise for making you read all my posts though lol but I Spode what I'm really trying to get at is things like drivers stats and what they effect and a rough guide ( not exact) on how to work out your fuel and tyres etc should be in the beginners section it's the basics that every noob needs to know
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Quote ( Simon Jones @ January 6th 2017,23:22:20 ) Spode what I'm really trying to get at is things like drivers stats and what they effect and a rough guide ( not exact) on how to work out your fuel and tyres etc should be in the beginners section it's the basics that every noob needs to know The trouble is, this stuff truly is FOBY, Its the part of the game that makes it addictive, working this stuff out. I used to have a real notepad,, pen and paper style and work stuff out after every race for the first few seasons, it's what got me hooked. Players who have worked hard to get it right obviously feel others should go to the same effort, If you search well there are a lot of very good bits of diver info on the forum, otherwise look at the drivers that mangers who promoted leave behind. See what they used to get there.
Tyres and fuel, same theory really, you need a few races to give you a basic starting point, keep all data, then start to split your data into the high/normal/low fuel tracks as you race them. Not sure what you find offensive about having to work it out tbh. It's the game, not the people. Yes most managers are a little hesitant to just give you the information, but almost all will help you work it out if you ask. If you really want to know faster, join a team and have 10 of you pooling data to get there quicker. As you are in ama, this advice is probably pointless for you, but it is what I give to most in the mentor program, as well as then helping them find ways to work it out.
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Ok, here's a fair deal. I will ask a question and monitor the response - it wont be a fair test as I've said this here. However, I have refrained from asking anyone for help for a few reasons:
1. My team can answer a lot of my questions 2. I use the search feature 3. I like working it out myself
So perhaps some validity that all I have seen is threads of old, attitudes of old.
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It depends on the question though. If what you are asking is driver stat details, or fuel figures, people will not just give you that info, and they shouldnt. It would spoil the game for you anyway. I hope they would tell you how to figure it out though.
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Quote ( Juan Pereyra @ January 6th 2017,23:05:22 ) if you can help nooby managers by post why you cant do the same thing direct at forum Because there are some players who want to figure stuff out for themselves. So if you post info in the forums that they would like to figure out for themselves, you take that away from them.
That's why you shouldn't post spoilers in the forum.
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Quote ( Juan Pereyra @ January 6th 2017,23:05:22 ) I usualy being in Spanish´s lenguage forun , and there, you cant do a direct question because is a foby thing, No idea if it is a lot more FOBY there, so you could be right
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Quote ( Kirsty Ridley @ January 6th 2017,23:32:36 ) Not sure what you find offensive about having to work it out tbh.
I don't find it offensive don't get me wrong I enjoy that side of it but the thread was basically all about why new players don't play for long I'm just saying this is possible one of the reasons I mean for example I chased drivers who were very talented but young when I first started as you would assume that is what makes him a faster driver but eventually I found out that's nothing or very little to do with dry weather speed for some strange reason so all I'm saying is some ppl will come to the game get a very talented driver finish last for a few races then never come back. All it needs in the forums is a post that says talent is best for this concentration will help your driver do that and then it's upto the player on what mix of the various attributes he wants can't see what would be FOBY about that tbh
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Quote ( Veres Tamás @ January 6th 2017,22:43:54 ) Energy system is totally random... For example there are 2 drivers "A" and "B", and use same risk in every race... Sometimes "A" lost the 100% energy earlier, but sometimes "B"....why? There is no tendency.... if somebody want to confute, write me reasons.... Because it can not be that no one knows of my mates or programs.
Yeah I've monitored the same also. Likely, it's related with the cases you lived in the race, and raises the luck factor in the game. One more problem is, it pushes most of the players to use the same or similar strategies , because everybody walks in dark, gropely :D So what had left to us? Do better macroplans and get a superb package.
But, considering this season, average temperature is very high, not balanced as the others. So, if you are in the wrong side with your tyres selection, it is over. Even though you have one of the strongest packages, you can be beaten by a mid package guy. Again, it is about your luck... Although you got a very well preparation, your preparations could be wasted with just a wrong selection.
So what is remaining for us ?
I start to feel that we are 7000 people here, just rolling dices :D
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Quote ( Simon Jones @ January 6th 2017,23:47:33 ) I don't find it offensive don't get me wrong I enjoy that side of it but the thread was basically all about why new players don't play for long I'm just saying this is possible one of the reasons Fair enough.
Quote ( Simon Jones @ January 6th 2017,23:47:33 ) All it needs in the forums is a post that says talent is best for this concentration will help your driver do that and then it's upto the player on what mix of the various attributes he wants can't see what would be FOBY about that tbh A goo ddriver makes or breaks a season, so it is one of the most important parts you need to figure out. I don't think giving every stats effect is the answer, again, its fun to work stuff out...this guide is great, and I link it to players who are struggling with drivers often.
/gb/forum/ViewTopic.asp?TopicId=20000&PostId=2342649#post2342649
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#83 posted Jan 6th 2017, 23:56:48 (last edited Jan 6th 2017, 23:57:36 by Daryl Gee)
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Quote ( Nevzat Kasapoglu @ January 6th 2017,23:48:49 ) But, considering this season, average temperature is very high, not balanced as the others. So, if you are in the wrong side with your tyres selection, it is over. Yeah, if you get your tyre supplier selection wrong in Amateur, you're in all sorts of trouble.
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Quote ( Kirsty Ridley @ January 6th 2017,23:53:18 ) A goo ddriver makes or breaks a season, so it is one of the most important parts you need to figure out. I don't think giving every stats effect is the answer, again, its fun to work stuff out...this guide is great, and I link it to players who are struggling with drivers often.
Excellent topic maybe could go a bit more into detail and as much as I would love to give you an example of what i mean I darned incase I get told off lol but I've been trawling the forums for ages and never came across that piece and yet it's excellent advise so stuff like that should be in the newbies section as it would make life a little easier and maybe more enjoyable
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It is stickied.... turned red so it always stays at top of the forum. Quote ( Simon Jones @ January 7th 2017,00:03:25 ) newbies section It's in the newbie forum isn;t it?
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Quote ( Kirsty Ridley @ January 7th 2017,00:10:58 ) It is stickied.... turned red so it always stays
*giggle*
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at stickied? Really Phillip
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Just going back to my point - it's great that you're supporting people more these days. But now the question, why is the game so prohibitively difficult? It should be EASY to find out how the game works yourself - but the decisions you have to make based on what you find out - those should be IMPOSSIBLE to get right. A game that forces compromise, lateral thinking and strategy.
Not saying GPRO doesnt have that, but it's way behind other games I've played, with simpler gameplay mechanics, but far more difficult decision making.
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Changing the whole basis would make it a different game. And it would be the same as those 'other games' you talk of, but I am not playing those, I am playing this, because I like it. If I liked the simpler mechanics, I guess I would be playing those.
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-20°C expected today .... in Hungary. :(:(:(
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