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#1 posted Jul 18th 2018, 19:15:12
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IBK No-14 Sug.
1. Bonus for the Teams who complete all the possible Races.!!! ...for Example 10 members Team must Run 10*17=170 Races.
2. Bonus for the 32 Cap Table presentation. ...free to Use the Team Lively.!!! (No need 6 supporters)
- Good Night from Beautiful & Irresistible Sithonia/Chalkidiki/Macedonia/Greece.!!! :)
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#2 posted Jul 18th 2018, 19:17:40
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You have to stop drinking that greek shit .
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#3 posted Jul 18th 2018, 19:24:13
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Quote ( Ioannis Kalogirou @ July 18th 2018,19:15:12 ) IBK No-14 Sug.
1. Bonus for the Teams who complete all the possible Races.!!! ...for Example 10 members Team must Run 10*17=170 Races.
:)
There's already a financial incentive for being part of a team. There is a financial incentive to racing in every race of a season. There's no need for a third financial incentive that's dependent on all managers in a team cooperating. There's already more than enough ways to make money in this game between race wins, qualifications results, sponsorship etc.
Quote ( Ioannis Kalogirou @ July 18th 2018,19:15:12 ) IBK No-14 Sug.
2. Bonus for the 32 Cap Table presentation. ...free to Use the Team Lively.!!! (No need 6 supporters)
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The team livery is a privilege for those who sponsor the game. It's one of the few ways this game can make any money by appealing to managers who want to reach into their pockets and pay to be able to use a custom livery. It's no different from how Fortnite or any other free to play game makes money.
Quote ( Ioannis Kalogirou @ July 18th 2018,19:15:12 )
- Good Night from Beautiful & Irresistible Sithonia/Chalkidiki/Macedonia/Greece.!!! :)
You too sir!
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#4 posted Jul 18th 2018, 19:35:14
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Quote ( Paul Brosnan @ July 18th 2018,19:24:13 ) The team livery is a privilege for those who sponsor the game. It's one of the few ways this game can make any money by appealing to managers who want to reach into their pockets and pay to be able to use a custom livery.
- Dear Paul, ...almost 4 years I have Fight as very little here, ...for Supporting the Game.!!! ...to Win Supporters first the Future Supporters must Fill a minimum Respect.!!! ...I see Day by Day less Supporters... :)
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#5 posted Jul 18th 2018, 19:49:24
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Quote ( Michael Jones @ July 18th 2018,19:17:40 ) You have to stop drinking that greek shit .
Let's have a drink together, and forget what we just read :)
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#6 posted Jul 18th 2018, 20:19:27
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So let the server have a livery that can only be used for 10 people for free? Yeah that seems fair As the other suggestion, with so many teams being able to field the 170 races required, seems a bit too, easy. And as Paul said, there is already incentives like the extra 5m and the team bonus money as well which you earn more points by racing
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#7 posted Jul 18th 2018, 21:19:55
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Quote ( Marco Ferraz @ July 18th 2018,19:49:24 ) Quote ( Michael Jones @ July 18th 2018,19:17:40 )
Let's have a drink together, and forget what we just read :)
If it's a ST. FEUILLIEN BLONDE then count me in ;) 7.5% in a beer and it goes down smoother than one might expect given the high content.
Quote ( Ioannis Kalogirou @ July 18th 2018,19:35:14 ) Quote ( Paul Brosnan @ July 18th 2018,19:24:13 )
- Dear Paul, ...almost 4 years I have Fight as very little here, ...for Supporting the Game.!!! ...to Win Supporters first the Future Supporters must Fill a minimum Respect.!!! ...I see Day by Day less Supporters... :)
I believe that the proportion of members who support the game has remained the same (if not risen) in recent seasons. I don't understand what you mean by seeing less and less supporters by the day. Please explain.
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- Paul, it's not a big secret.!!! ...Go to Statistics and pus on down right side the "all Supporters" Option. ...You can see that the supporters are around 1480. Including and 350 or Rookies.!!!
- Before a few months it was 1700.!!! ...it's a big Theme That and it's not the Right Plays Here to discuss... :)
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#9 posted Jul 19th 2018, 13:25:30
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Quote ( Ioannis Kalogirou @ July 19th 2018,12:38:46 ) ...You can see that the supporters are around 1480. Including and 350 or Rookies.!!!
- Before a few months it was 1700.!!!
I'm neither agreeing nor disagreeing that the number of supporters, or proportion of supporters are dropping, as I do not have that data to compare to give an opinion. I can see on the Statistics page how many there are now but can't see a way to check historically.
Do remember though that there is always a boost in players at the start of each season, and new players would have supporter status, which would artificially give a boost to total supporters, and not represent the more important matter of people who are paying to be a supporter.
Giving away something that is currently a supporter feature is unlikely to encourage new supporters, so I fail to see the benefit to the game in implementing your suggestion about free team liveries, especially for teams that are likely to mainly have experienced managers (as top 32 teams) who have long had the opportunity to become a supporter or not.
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...Kevin i ll try to stop the supporter theme here.!!! ...but you continue it.
...the magic word "RESPECT" is the answer on your Question Kevin.!!! ...the Manager must FILL a MINIMUM RESPECT.!!!
...all Members in my Team and all my Races 4 years (380 R) it was only as Supporters.!!! ...in a few weeks nobody remain supporter...
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Quote ( Ioannis Kalogirou @ July 19th 2018,14:01:03 ) ...Kevin i ll try to stop the supporter theme here.!!! ...but you continue it.
It's rather crucial to one of your suggestions - the one about the top 32 teams in the cup getting to use team livery even if not a supporter - so it can't be ignored. This is the only suggestion I am discussing here (the other one, about rewards for a full team taking part in all races of the season, has already been well covered, in my opinion - the bonuses are already there and I see no reason for them to be increased, benefiting established teams more than newer teams).
Quote ( Ioannis Kalogirou @ July 19th 2018,14:01:03 ) ...all Members in my Team and all my Races 4 years (380 R) it was only as Supporters.!!! ...in a few weeks nobody remain supporter...
If people no longer want to support the game, then that is up to them. And you can certainly discuss why that is and how to address it. If you believe this is down to "respect" then so be it. But I simply don't see why giving them a benefit they only had as a supporter is likely to make them become supporters again.
So would the only benefit just be to those who don't want to support the game any more, by giving them something for nothing? You could argue that such things belittle the benefits given to supporters and could encourage others to stop supporting the game.
I can't see the benefit to the game and only see it as giving something away for nothing to the detriment of the game.
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Quote ( Ioannis Kalogirou @ July 18th 2018,19:15:12 ) IBK No-14 Sug. A thumbs up for all your suggestions and ideas. Sorry that I usually don't support them right off.
Quote ( Ioannis Kalogirou @ July 18th 2018,19:15:12 ) Bonus for the Teams who complete all the possible Races.!!! Most suggestions want improved bonuses. This is a great example where we can do the opposite and instead remove/reduce the current bonus for all teams that not complete all 170 races.
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#13 posted Jul 19th 2018, 15:18:07
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Quote ( Stefan Olofsson @ July 19th 2018,15:06:24 ) Most suggestions want improved bonuses. This is a great example where we can do the opposite and instead remove/reduce the current bonus for all teams that not complete all 170 races.
What about the many smaller teams that don't have 10 managers in them? And how would you deal with managers leaving and joining and periods of not having a full compliment when you maybe have 10/10 at other times?
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#14 posted Jul 19th 2018, 15:37:36
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Quote ( Kevin Parkinson @ July 19th 2018,15:18:07 ) What about the many smaller teams that don't have 10 managers in them? And how would you deal with managers leaving and joining and periods of not having a full compliment when you maybe have 10/10 at other times? The problem will be the same whether you give out a new bonus or take away some from an existing bonus. The difference is that instead of only asking for more and more money, we balance out in some areas by receiving less.
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#15 posted Jul 19th 2018, 16:30:21
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Quote ( Stefan Olofsson @ July 19th 2018,15:37:36 ) The difference is that instead of only asking for more and more money, we balance out in some areas by receiving less.
I get that point but...Quote ( Stefan Olofsson @ July 19th 2018,15:37:36 ) The problem will be the same whether you give out a new bonus or take away some from an existing bonus.
If you make a change regardless of if its offering a bigger bonus for a team completing all races or take some team money away from those that don't, then you need to consider how that would be done, which is why I asked the question about smaller teams and team sizes changing during the season.
Seems like it'll make things less simple, or will punish smaller teams. And for what benefit? Is it really going to encourage people to not miss races if the 5 million bonus they already get doesn't? And all but newer players only miss a race out of necessity due to emergency or something unexpected - and if that's the case, the risk of losing out on some game cash isn't going to be able to prevent that.
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Quote ( Kevin Parkinson @ July 19th 2018,16:30:21 ) is why I asked the question about smaller teams and team sizes changing during the season. The smaller teams will never have a chance to claim the bonus as the original suggestion was written. So yes, in either way small teams are being punished, either by not being able to compete for the bonus or getting a reduction. The end result being the same, less bonus than the team completing all races.
You are raising valid questions, but these problems are connected to the original proposal and how to handle unoccupied team slots, not if adding or reducing the bonus.
Is this bonus needed at all? Good question. Seems like the logical step if the game is encouraging single players to compete for full season that, as it is a team game, the teams should also be encouraged.
Quote ( Kevin Parkinson @ July 19th 2018,16:30:21 ) And all but newer players only miss a race out of necessity due to emergency or something unexpected - and if that's the case, the risk of losing out on some game cash isn't going to be able to prevent that. How about letting the team leader have a few emergency holiday actions that she/he can use in case of a absent team member?
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#17 posted Jul 19th 2018, 20:08:21
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How about finding another "bonus", reward would be the word to use though, to give for the things suggested if you agree that it could give something as a reward. If not I suggest stating an opinion about how it should not give a reward at all would be appropriate instead. *smile*
I rather like the "wear the Team Livery without needing 6 Supporters" for being a part of the Team Cup, but maybe change it to "only as long as you are in the Team Cup" so that if kicked out you also lose the Team Livery option. Most that have a livery in those teams likely have 6 supporters anyway, and those that don't will not be getting supporter status just for the Livery anyway so nothing lost at all.
A cash incentive I would say no to, a reward for completing all races could instead be a shiny new star next to the Team Name, wherever it is presented, so in Team Standings, all own Team Pages, in own profile page, and so on. A reward other than bling could be some form of Sponsor boost at end of season as the whole team has shown dedication to the world of racing, small one to be sure, at most a race's worth, probably less.
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#18 posted Jul 19th 2018, 20:17:09
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Quote ( Michael Jones @ July 18th 2018,19:17:40 ) You have to stop drinking that greek shit .
Sory Ioannis, gotta love this comment XD
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- Of course, Ignacio. !!! ...do not worry.!!! ... we all admire the famous English flame. :)
- However you should know, ...that in Greece not used to Drink shit, as in northern Europe.!!! :) :) :)
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#20 posted Jul 20th 2018, 09:43:30
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Quote ( Ioannis Kalogirou @ July 18th 2018,19:15:12 ) 1. Bonus for the Teams who complete all the possible Races.!!! ...for Example 10 members Team must Run 10*17=170 Races.
2. Bonus for the 32 Cap Table presentation. ...free to Use the Team Lively.!!! (No need 6 supporters)
1. Achievement 2. Achievement (it's already there)
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#21 posted Jul 20th 2018, 10:45:33
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Quote ( Ioannis Kalogirou @ July 18th 2018,19:15:12 ) IBK No-14 Sug.
1. Bonus for the Teams who complete all the possible Races.!!! ...for Example 10 members Team must Run 10*17=170 Races.
2. Bonus for the 32 Cap Table presentation. ...free to Use the Team Lively.!!! (No need 6 supporters)
- Good Night from Beautiful & Irresistible Sithonia/Chalkidiki/Macedonia/Greece.!!! :)
I think it is a good additional idea. For those teams who have have 10 members and who also compete in all race, for regardless of whether those member have paid, allow them, the following season, to use the team livery for free.
Yes, we need to get more people in and paying to play. There are good data advantages for doing this, but many rookies will not pay until they have decided to stay. for me, this was maybe 4 seasons in. There is a great camaraderie here and those of us that are staying, are contributing.
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