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#1 Opublikowane Lut 25 2015, 11:36:35
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Hey guys,
last race i noticed a strange Thing.
Until now I calculated my expected fuel consumption for the race, and split it to the stints. For the case of unexpected things I set another 20l for another stint in race Setup. Just for the case of emercency. So I didnt have to fill 50-70 Liters in, I wanted to save time in that additional pit stop and take the last few laps with low fuel in tank.
But last race I had to make an additional pit stop because of a technical Problem. In the later race I had to make this emergency pit stop, because they filled the planned fuel amount in that technical Problem stop. but that 20l emergency fuel didn't Long for the end, so I had to make another emergency stop.
So together I had to take 2 emergency stops and lost 58 seconds (falling behind from Position 2 to 5) just because of this failed fuel planning.
Now coming to my question, hoping this is not foby:
Whats your experience? How do you plan your fuel tactics? Does a low fuel influence lap time positive? Should I go on by planning 1 emergeny stop with a minimal amount of fuel? Or better plan an emergency stop with more fuel?
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Quote ( Vitalis Eziner @ February 25th 2015,11:36:35 ) Should I go on by planning 1 emergeny stop with a minimal amount of fuel?
NO
Edit: PM sent ;)
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#3 Opublikowane Lut 25 2015, 11:43:57
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These are Ransoms dont refuel while pitting for tech problem.
or put refuel if problem can be solved if more than 10-15 laps remaining .
check your race analysis you will know how much low fuel make the difference .I get the fastest lap of my rave in last .
I think you should plan in advance for a random
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#4 Opublikowane Lut 25 2015, 11:46:06
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Vitalis, pitstop times are quite random in rookie. With this being the case, the best rule of thumb is to play it safe =]
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#5 Opublikowane Lut 25 2015, 11:49:11
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Its a good idea in theory but actually never works in practice and can guarantee it will mess up big time.
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#6 Opublikowane Lut 25 2015, 11:51:15
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how are you supposed to calculate fuel?
is it based on distnace and speed or based o each track, tyres, weather...?
sorry, noob here and cant see any way to find out how much fuel covered ho much difference from practice laps or qualifying
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#7 Opublikowane Lut 25 2015, 11:55:38
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Quote ( Andy Wicks @ February 25th 2015,11:51:15 ) how are you supposed to calculate fuel?
is it based on distnace and speed or based o each track, tyres, weather...?
sorry, noob here and cant see any way to find out how much fuel covered ho much difference from practice laps or qualifying
There are many saved datas around on the Internet. Based on this data it's possible to calculate (for me not exactly, but with this data I have a rough idea)
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Quote ( Andy Wicks @ February 25th 2015,11:51:15 ) how are you supposed to calculate fuel?
is it based on distnace and speed or based o each track, tyres, weather...?
In short: Yes :)
Joking aside; The highest effects are distance (in km) and track "type". And ofc weather, specially if it's raining.
Then there's the fine-tuning from other things.
Basics are covered in Wiki and FAQ
I'm afraid that for your first couple races it's a bit "guessimating", but FAQ gives you a hint of "it is unlikely that any race should exceed 280L of fuel."
So if the track has anything less than "very high" rating, you should do with a bit less
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#9 Opublikowane Lut 25 2015, 11:58:19
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There's a tick box in 'Race Setup & Strategy' with says:
"Don't refuel when pitting for a technical problem"
Just tick that and when you next have a technical problem, an event like you had will not occur anymore
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#10 Opublikowane Lut 25 2015, 11:59:16
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Use your experience net information is not accurate your own data or ateam help is more accurate not that crap fake sites
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#11 Opublikowane Lut 25 2015, 11:59:17
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Fuel is based on a lot of different things, car,driver, Distance etc.
Andy and Vitalis can I suggest that you both sign up for a mentor and they can help guide you to the answers you need :)
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#12 Opublikowane Lut 25 2015, 12:00:00
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Quote ( Freddie Higgs @ February 25th 2015,11:59:17 ) Andy and Vitalis can I suggest that you both sign up for a mentor and they can help guide you to the answers you need :)
Already done at german Mentor Forum ;)
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#13 Opublikowane Lut 25 2015, 12:01:39
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Quote ( Vitalis Eziner @ February 25th 2015,12:00:00 ) Already done at german Mentor Forum ;)
Cool, well good luck with the rest of the season! :D
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#14 Opublikowane Lut 25 2015, 15:11:55
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Quote ( Freddie Higgs @ February 25th 2015,11:59:17 ) Fuel is based on a lot of different things, car,driver, Distance etc.
Andy and Vitalis can I suggest that you both sign up for a mentor and they can help guide you to the answers you need :)
done that too, but no one has contacted me
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#15 Opublikowane Lut 25 2015, 15:16:33
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Quote ( Andy Wicks @ February 25th 2015,15:11:55 ) done that too, but no one has contacted me
workingo on it
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#16 Opublikowane Lut 25 2015, 15:28:55
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Quote ( Vitalis Eziner @ February 25th 2015,11:36:35 ) Whats your experience? How do you plan your fuel tactics? Does a low fuel influence lap time positive? Should I go on by planning 1 emergeny stop with a minimal amount of fuel? Or better plan an emergency stop with more fuel?
If you are uncertain about your fuel add some fuel to the last stint if you must. As for fuel influencing lap times do a round of testing with variable fuel to see how fuel affects time. It will vary from track to track but you will get a general idea.
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#17 Opublikowane Lut 25 2015, 15:36:42
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I don't see how testing helps you in terms of calculating the effects of additional fuel on lap times.
When testing, you have to do at least 5 laps per stint and, considering you have a perfect setup for the test track and the conditions, you would only get the fastest lap and the mean time. It doesn't say ANYTHING about the net time (without driver errors, like in qualifying) and you also don't know in which lap you scored the fastest test lap, so you also won't be able to tell how much fuel you had on board when doing the fastest lap.
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#18 Opublikowane Lut 25 2015, 15:41:50
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Quote ( Stefan Moser @ February 25th 2015,15:36:42 ) I don't see how testing helps you in terms of calculating the effects of additional fuel on lap times.
Yeah it´s not like you have the choice to put in 20 liters for the first stint of 5 laps and then 180l for the second 5 lap stint...
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#19 Opublikowane Lut 25 2015, 15:45:00
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Well, the mean time will be different on high fuel runns in a certain direction compared to low fuel runs. so a 5 lap stint with say 15 fuel will have a certain difference to 5 lap run with 50 fuel. So it will answer his question if low fuel is faster compared to high fuel and a general idea by how much.
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#20 Opublikowane Lut 25 2015, 15:57:11
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Quote ( Gustav Gerretz @ February 25th 2015,15:45:00 ) Well, the mean time will be different on high fuel runns in a certain direction compared to low fuel runs.
Yeah, it will certainly be higher. ;)
But you don't need test runs to show you that. That's common sense. But according to the law of large numbers, it would only give you significantly useful results about the effects of 5l of fuel more or less if you invest billions of money into test runs to have enough statistical data and a meaningful mean time difference.
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#21 Opublikowane Lut 25 2015, 19:42:16 (ostatnio edytowany Lut 25 2015, 19:44:04 przez Virgis Lyss)
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Edit: tried to answer the Q already answered :)
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#22 Opublikowane Maj 28 2017, 22:53:08
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Hello, Could I join team that gives some constant information about upcoming race fuel consumption/tyre wear give some strategies, would be really thankful :)
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#23 Opublikowane Maj 29 2017, 00:41:17
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#24 Opublikowane Maj 29 2017, 21:45:06
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Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ May 29th 2017,00:41:17 ) Quote ( Martynas Siaudkulis @ May 28th 2017,22:53:08 )
Hello, Could I join team that gives some constant information about upcoming race fuel consumption/tyre wear give some strategies, would be really thankful :)
Try this one: /forum/ViewTopic.asp?TopicId=5321&PostId=326355#post326355
Very thankful :)
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#25 Opublikowane Maj 29 2017, 21:51:00
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So many tactics :/
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#26 Opublikowane Maj 29 2017, 23:54:22
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Quote ( Jensen Owens @ May 29th 2017,21:51:00 )
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So many tactics :/
yes you are right, but soooo less
tic tacs
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#27 Opublikowane Maj 30 2017, 00:28:02
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Well I never paid any attention to the refueling for tech problems, so glad I read this. I got to pro with only 1 random in my entire career...so...I dodged a bullet there :D
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#28 Opublikowane Maj 30 2017, 03:57:36
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I didn't read the stuff above, only the beginning post.
Honestly, I wing it, I take a guess by looking at the fuel consumption.
I use mobile, so I cannot use the good calculators, so if I don't have the good stuff, then screw it, I'll wing it.
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#29 Opublikowane Maj 30 2017, 04:27:41
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Quote ( Trae Fisher @ May 30th 2017,03:57:36 ) I didn't read the stuff above, only the beginning post.
Honestly, I wing it, I take a guess by looking at the fuel consumption.
I use mobile, so I cannot use the good calculators, so if I don't have the good stuff, then screw it, I'll wing it.
With the team you're on now, you shouldn't have to wing it anymore.
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