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Forumi sondazh teme
Choice of tyre compounds to race.
Kyqu që të votosh ose për të parë rezultatet e sondazhit
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#31 Postuar 2 Shtator 2012, 16:28:22 (Së fundi edituar 2 Shtator 2012, 16:28:41 nga Simon Marks)
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Quote ( Sion Francis @ September 2nd 2012,16:25:56 ) I can't remember ever encountering this, and it's not a problem anyway is it?
Your sure this has never happened then??
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#32 Postuar 2 Shtator 2012, 16:29:28
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Quote ( Sion Francis @ September 2nd 2012,16:25:56 ) Fewer tyre compounds sounds like fewer strategy options and so is a bad idea - maybe a case could be made for more options, but fewer seems like a bad idea to me.
I totally agree with this. Strategy can make a difference, limiting the tyres choice would limit the possibilities and it would become a redundant game.
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#33 Postuar 2 Shtator 2012, 16:32:19
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I can't see any benefit in reducing the number of strategy options.
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This suggestion would certain put GPRO closer to real life F1, maybe bringing more people to the game who now watch F1 races.
However there are alot of high ranked managers that don't want to collect data all over again, losing their places at the higher groups, and thus are highly against the idea.
And this is the harsh truth.
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#35 Postuar 2 Shtator 2012, 16:37:12
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What has this got to do with needing to collect data again?
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#36 Postuar 2 Shtator 2012, 16:39:37
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Yes I don't see it either. The idea suggests limiting the race tyres to 2 compounds. The data remains the same, it's not about new tyres.
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#37 Postuar 2 Shtator 2012, 16:40:58
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Quote ( Kevin Parkinson @ September 2nd 2012,16:37:12 ) What has this got to do with needing to collect data again?
OK you're right. Just wanted to find a valid reason...
So basically, the big guys dont want the change. There.
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#38 Postuar 2 Shtator 2012, 16:41:29
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My forum post was to try and stop XS tyres being used on a 40+ degrees track just to get a high grid place as if the track is hard to overtake managers will use there upmost to get in the top 3 on the grid surely so saying at the start of P & Q1 track is 40 degrees u have the option of Med or Hard tyres for the race ??
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Quote ( Simon Marks @ September 2nd 2012,16:41:29 ) My forum post was to try and stop XS tyres being used on a 40+ degrees track just to get a high grid place as if the track is hard to overtake managers will use there upmost to get in the top 3 on the grid surely so saying at the start of P & Q1 track is 40 degrees u have the option of Med or Hard tyres for the race ??
But then their tyres will wear very quickly and the other managers will overtake them when they pit (if they manage to qualify ahead of them at all as it isn't that big if an advantage). I see no problem - I'd love my competitors to pick ExtraSofts on a 40 degree track :p
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#40 Postuar 2 Shtator 2012, 16:47:23
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Quote ( Simon Marks @ September 2nd 2012,16:41:29 ) try and stop XS tyres being used on a 40+ degrees track just to get a high grid place
If someone wants to do that, it is their funeral.
It is also a valid tactic - whether a good one or not - so why would you want to remove it? Anything that reduces managerial options should always be vehemently resisted.
Quote ( António Rebelo @ September 2nd 2012,16:32:43 )
However there are alot of high ranked managers that don't want to collect data all over again
Someone who's been around here a long time who has spent a lot of time gathering data and working out formulae deserves to derive some benefit from all that effort. That's just obvious.
That said...
Quote ( António Rebelo @ September 2nd 2012,16:32:43 ) losing their places at the higher groups,
this game's good players would remain this game's good players.
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#41 Postuar 2 Shtator 2012, 16:47:52
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Quote ( António Rebelo @ September 2nd 2012,16:40:58 ) OK you're right. Just wanted to find a valid reason...
A valid reason for being against it?
This is a management game so reducing options generally isn't giid for game play. If anything, this would make it harder for newer players to gain data if they didn't have the choice of certain tyres in certain conditions.
There are many races where more than two tyre types are real options so I don't see why they should be restricted.
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#42 Postuar 2 Shtator 2012, 16:50:16
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Quote ( Sion Francis @ September 2nd 2012,16:25:56 ) Fewer tyre compounds sounds like fewer strategy options and so is a bad idea - maybe a case could be made for more options, but fewer seems like a bad idea to me.
Really? Maybe think twice taking on account fact that overtaking is impossible :)
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Quote ( Keri Lovell @ September 2nd 2012,15:02:23 ) Actually, although it probably wont happen I dont think its that bad an idea at all. It would certainly stop people using ES and taking the pole even though they dont plan to finish the race. Which is always annoying :-)
this is part of the game, and there are so many things more annoying:
example: the effect of blocking, which is sometimes really unreal in the game.
like somedody said, it'd cut out some tactical possibilities. every race offers you the possibility of different "plots" depending on the tyre choice. this is a part of what makes the game full of variations and trully complex. this is really bad idea, in my opinion.
something i think, if not suggested earlier, can be discussed is the possibility of q1 & q2 tyre wear for the race start.
Quote ( António Rebelo @ September 2nd 2012,16:32:43 ) This suggestion would certain put GPRO closer to real life F1, maybe bringing more people to the game who now watch F1 races.
i think this is really untrue. and i'm not a big guy. i love the f-1, dropped here cause of that, and i became a game lover too (i think however gpro should be more like f-1 in other aspects).
best
c
edited: sorry for the late answer, i know other people alreaydy put similar views.
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#44 Postuar 2 Shtator 2012, 17:05:29
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So lets hide the starting grid until 5.31pm race day, this will help the managers who have to qualify early due to work,holidays etc etc and stop the managers who qualify 1 hour before reading what all the other managers on the grid are doing. as discussed on page 1 ?
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#45 Postuar 2 Shtator 2012, 17:07:03
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Quote ( Daneks Britāls @ September 2nd 2012,16:50:16 )
Really? Maybe think twice taking on account fact that overtaking is impossible :)
Sorry, I'm not quite getting your point?
If overtaking is difficult then you try to take account of the possibility of being blocked when deciding on strategies - it's a fluid, dynamic thing and makes strategising a work of art moreso than just pure maths.
The secondary point is that overtaking is only difficult if you are surrounded by cars and drivers with similar stats - in which case overtaking is rightly difficult. If you are genuinely faster than others then overtaking is possible - even on very hard O/T tracks....but that's somewhat off-topic :)
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#46 Postuar 2 Shtator 2012, 17:12:23
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no i heants to lettter to me
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#47 Postuar 2 Shtator 2012, 17:19:55
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I prefer the system the way it is. It's fun watching people on 1s, 2s and 3 stops and some even on 4 stops in Rookie. :-)
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#48 Postuar 2 Shtator 2012, 17:33:07 (Së fundi edituar 2 Shtator 2012, 17:35:37 nga Jensen Owens)
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Quote ( Simon Marks @ September 2nd 2012,17:05:29 ) So lets hide the starting grid until 5.31pm race day, this will help the managers who have to qualify early due to work,holidays etc etc and stop the managers who qualify 1 hour before reading what all the other managers on the grid are doing. as discussed on page 1 ?
No ! so what if they can see what you are doing, don't mean there going to win or you, I like seeing the times come in daily
Edit: I like staring at the grid for hours and hours :-) lol
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the game is great, why you morons keep trying to change everything?
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#50 Postuar 2 Shtator 2012, 17:39:34 (Së fundi edituar 2 Shtator 2012, 17:41:01 nga Virgis Lyss)
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Quote ( António Rebelo @ September 2nd 2012,16:32:43 ) This suggestion would certain put GPRO closer to real life F1, maybe bringing more people to the game who now watch F1 races.
Oh yeah, using only two compounds together with EIGHT_absolutely_different brands - really close to real F1 :)
Quote ( Simon Marks @ September 2nd 2012,17:05:29 ) So lets hide the starting grid until 5.31pm race day, this will help the managers who have to qualify early due to work,holidays etc etc and stop the managers who qualify 1 hour before reading what all the other managers on the grid are doing. as discussed on page 1 ?
How this will help those managers? How it will stop the others? Because the race strategy depends on qualification results - then probably will be much easier just to sell lottery tickets for the race. And much more reasonable, as it will save the time.
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#51 Postuar 2 Shtator 2012, 17:40:54
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Since when this is a F1 game simulator?
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#52 Postuar 2 Shtator 2012, 17:46:18
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Quote ( Tiago Rodrigues @ September 2nd 2012,17:35:47 ) the game is great, why you morons keep trying to change everything?
Its called a debate, so everyone who has posted on here are morons then ???? well done
Quote ( Tiago Rodrigues @ September 2nd 2012,17:35:47 ) Since when this is a F1 game simulator?
who said it was a F1 simulator ???
cant you Quote ??
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Quote ( Sion Francis @ September 2nd 2012,17:07:03 ) If overtaking is difficult then you try to take account of the possibility of being blocked when deciding on strategies - it's a fluid, dynamic thing and makes strategising a work of art moreso than just pure maths.
No, people is forced to make a strategy by considering fact of being blocked. See the difference?
If tire choice was less then less chances for tue quali+block to dictate the options. Yes, quali monster will still qualify in front but will have same stategy as others.
We need blocking as such in the game as it is part of racing but we do not need blockers dictating strategies all the way round.
Quote ( Sion Francis @ September 2nd 2012,17:07:03 ) even on very hard O/T tracks....
Do we have other tracks? Ah, yeee, we have an oval. That's all. Other tracks can be clasificed as "overtaking very hard" and "Overtaking impossible".
Edit. I mean real overtaking not just switching positions in megatrain
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#54 Postuar 2 Shtator 2012, 18:27:06
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Quote ( Daneks Britāls @ September 2nd 2012,18:15:56 )
We need blocking as such in the game as it is part of racing but we do not need blockers dictating strategies all the way round.
Speaking from personal experience - it doesn't.
I have only ever encountered this phenomenon in the elite midfield....there's probably a degree of it in the master midfield too but that's about it.
If you want to avoid being blocked - go faster. ;)
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#55 Postuar 2 Shtator 2012, 18:36:00
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Quote ( Sion Francis @ September 2nd 2012,18:27:06 ) If you want to avoid being blocked - go faster. ;)
Corection - qualify faster. Something I'm currently working at :)
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#56 Postuar 2 Shtator 2012, 19:13:59
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Qualifying higher up the order is a big advantage in many tracks (and actually i qualified with e softs in a close to 40° track and finished fourth since overtaking was hard)
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#57 Postuar 2 Shtator 2012, 19:58:32
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Quote ( António Rebelo @ September 2nd 2012,16:40:58 ) OK you're right. Just wanted to find a valid reason...
So basically, the big guys dont want the change. There.
So basically some of the ones who have never achieved anything want a change.
That's as valid argument as yours. Neither have any merit what so ever,
The bottom line still is: "less options = less strategies to choose = worse"
Though it might be that the ones who have never been in higher levels can't see that.
Could it be that some people just are able to see the big picture, and not just try to find personal gain ?
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#58 Postuar 2 Shtator 2012, 20:05:33
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Mates, please think twice - that option would only make sense, if we would have just one tire manufacturer, like in F1, but we have six for several reasons ... ;)
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#59 Postuar 2 Shtator 2012, 20:09:50
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Quote ( Daneks Britāls @ September 2nd 2012,18:15:56 ) Yes, quali monster will still qualify in front but will have same stategy as others.
Heh, then maybe just let's remove race setup page and case is closed :)
Quote ( Daneks Britāls @ September 2nd 2012,18:15:56 ) I mean real overtaking not just switching positions in megatrain
Isn't the real car necessary for that? LOL
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if there is something wrong in gpro (something that should be more like it is in real f-1) is blocking/ defense and their effect (including the light material wear they cause in gpro).
one of the few things wrong.
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