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Postim i vjeter #1 Postuar 17 Shkurt 2019, 17:57:20 Citim 
problem : from few season in some Pro group i have seen some players who choose Michelini to finish in the top 3, but they have not the money to do it. They take money, motivation, sponsors... to erverybody in the group, and for no profit because they are relegated for bankruptcy. We have to remember it's a management game, bankruptcy should not be a choice.

solution : change the possibility of tyres in groups, we may conserve a choice but a reasonable one

Rookie : Pipirelli
Amateur : Pipirelli + Avonn
Pro : Pipirelli + Avonn + Yokomama + Continental + Dunnolop + BadYear
Master : All except Bridgerock
Elite : All

the amateur's Avonn will give more possibility in amateur, and less money to this level which is a good thing because it's too easy.
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Postim i vjeter #2 Postuar 17 Shkurt 2019, 18:02:28 (Së fundi edituar 17 Shkurt 2019, 18:05:15 nga Jasper Coosemans) Citim 
I don't think tyre choices should be restricted by tier. At the end of the day the choice you make is a trade-off of cost vs. benefit (and it can be a pretty complicated trade-off if you try to estimate where your pace is with respect to the rest of your group, how much sponsor progress you can get by picking better tyres etc.). This is in my opinion one of the best management aspects in the game.

Where I do agree is that bankruptcy should not be a regular thing to do. But I would suggest different ways to do something about that, such as taking away team points from managers who finish the season with a negative balance (edit: not originally my idea, I think I read it somewhere else a few months ago).
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Postim i vjeter #3 Postuar 17 Shkurt 2019, 18:44:49 Citim 
This has been discussed before and if memory serves me right it was just last season.

I disagree in limiting peoples decisions, everyone should be free to hang themselves if that's what they choose.
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Postim i vjeter #4 Postuar 17 Shkurt 2019, 20:18:17 Citim 
Quote ( Marco Verati @ February 17th 2019,17:57:20 )

problem : from few season in some Pro group i have seen some players who choose Michelini to finish in the top 3, but they have not the money to do it. They take money, motivation, sponsors... to erverybody in the group, and for no profit because they are relegated for bankruptcy. We have to remember it's a management game, bankruptcy should not be a choice.


I could also go to pro, buy a bunch of new parts every race unnecessarily so that my car can better match the track, do well and get a bunch of sponsors and race income from the rest of the group, but go bankrupt and relegate at the end of the season.

How is that any different?
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Postim i vjeter #5 Postuar 17 Shkurt 2019, 20:35:02 Citim 
Quote ( Marco Verati @ February 17th 2019,17:57:20 )

They take money, motivation, sponsors... to erverybody in the group, and for no profit because they are relegated for bankruptcy. We have to remember it's a management game, bankruptcy should not be a choice.


So if they go to a lower tier in good / decent shape, that would be bad management?
If it was for short term planning I might agree, but those who do so - on purpose - usually do something long term and has a completely valid purpose. I would say knowing when & how to fall back to build/rebuild is part of this (management) game...
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Postim i vjeter #6 Postuar 17 Shkurt 2019, 20:53:35 Citim 
Quote ( George Slater @ February 17th 2019,20:18:17 )

How is that any different?

Good call! So as already done with facilities and staff skills we need to limit the car part levels, the max salary of drivers and TDs by group also.
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Postim i vjeter #7 Postuar 17 Shkurt 2019, 21:05:02 Citim 
Quote ( Stefan Olofsson @ February 17th 2019,20:53:35 )

Good call! So as already done with facilities and staff skills we need to limit the car part levels, the max salary of drivers and TDs by group also.


Well a driver salary / fee restriction - but no limitation on bonus - would certainly help NOT to f*ck up the best drivers sometimes ;) Other than that BS ;) but get what you mean.
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Postim i vjeter #8 Postuar 18 Shkurt 2019, 20:57:05 Citim 
Quote ( Stefan Olofsson @ February 17th 2019,20:53:35 )

Quote ( George Slater @ February 17th 2019,20:18:17 )

How is that any different?
Good call! So as already done with facilities and staff skills we need to limit the car part levels, the max salary of drivers and TDs by group also.


You are right i've just seen a 3 millions salary driver in amateur (27 offers !) for a 27 M$ budget...

Maybe it should be better to be excluded after 2 GP in bankrupcy or something like that ;)
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Postim i vjeter #9 Postuar 18 Shkurt 2019, 21:49:18 Citim 
Bankruptcy should mean bankruptcy. Start over in Rookie. But, ending a season in the negative is not bankruptcy, it's debt. And debt is a very common thing in the real world.
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Postim i vjeter #10 Postuar 18 Shkurt 2019, 22:12:24 (Së fundi edituar 18 Shkurt 2019, 22:15:51 nga Mikko Heikkinen) Citim 
Quote ( Thijs Rieken @ February 18th 2019,21:49:18 )

But, ending a season in the negative is not bankruptcy, it's debt. And debt is a very common thing in the real world.

Many businesses in real world operate with debt, (it's a tax thing in many cases)

And as example of "ending season in the negative", real world F1 team Ferrari is notorious for paying bills years late. 2-3 Years late.

F1 team Williams is known for being the most diligent, paying bills "only" 10 Months late

So in addition of operating with loans, some businesses are also neglectful of due dates of bills


OTOH, companies like Brembo can expect payments from them, it's just that the "payment flow" drags (years) behind at consistent pace.
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Postim i vjeter #11 Postuar 19 Shkurt 2019, 04:11:33 Citim 
Mikko, I don't know why you are quoting Thijs, i believe you and Thijs are saying the same thing.
Was this your intention, to reinforce his point?
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Postim i vjeter #12 Postuar 19 Shkurt 2019, 05:14:10 Citim 
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I agree there should be no limit, very common in AMA is the OBR AMA driver with a pure (no CCP) lvl 8-9 car who takes away pole positions and fastest laps from other managers.

Is the strategy fair and legal, yes it is,
Is it a good strategy? works for him so it is at least for him.
Is it good for long term plannning: Definitely not.

The same with tyres

So it is good as it stands
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Postim i vjeter #13 Postuar 19 Shkurt 2019, 09:04:06 Citim 
Quote ( Kevin Fortin @ February 19th 2019,04:11:33 )

Mikko, I don't know why you are quoting Thijs, i believe you and Thijs are saying the same thing.
Was this your intention, to reinforce his point?


I wouldn't say reinforce, more like expand/elaborate with real life parable/example as one might do in a discussion.
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Postim i vjeter #14 Postuar 21 Shkurt 2019, 03:46:28 Citim 
Quote ( Eduardo Sanchez Carenzo @ February 19th 2019,05:14:10 )

Voted using the thumbs

I agree there should be no limit, very common in AMA is the OBR AMA driver with a pure (no CCP) lvl 8-9 car who takes away pole positions and fastest laps from other managers.

Is the strategy fair and legal, yes it is,
Is it a good strategy? works for him so it is at least for him.
Is it good for long term plannning: Definitely not.

The same with tyres

So it is good as it stands


It's legal but absolutly not fair

Like creatine in rugby, legal, but not fair (it's a legal doping), and it killed Jona Lomu...

Something fair doesn't avoid any chance to win to the opponent !
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Postim i vjeter #15 Postuar 21 Shkurt 2019, 07:03:54 Citim 
Creatine is not doping :D
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