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Quote ( David Evans @ May 16th 2020,22:56:10 ) don’t allow players with a certain amount of playing experience back down as they will walk the league based on prior knowledge not allowing anyone new to win points and enjoy the experience
I think the otherwise actually. First, it's how it works in all levels. Stronger going down and weaker up. Or the otherwise too. Then I like to watch these managers.
Quote ( Guilherme Franco @ May 16th 2020,23:34:19 ) 50 cars grid? I see no
Me neither, and I haven't tried 40 yet. 15-18 is low but I think I'll still prefer this to 40 and can be done too. It was a thought to not squeeze much at the top. Could me two elite groups for 9 races then division A and B for the remaining 8, Making 17 races. And could be 40+40=80.
Quote ( Jay De Snoo @ May 17th 2020,00:04:43 ) change the entire game to enlarge rookie groups
Fallacy. Has been done before. Or Amateur was been... squeezed down to Rookie at least once.
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#62 geplaatst Mei 17 2020, 13:21:02
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Good advice about using the test track to find the driver's range. It makes sense that the upper and lower bounds of it would be the same regardless of the track. Thanks for the tip.
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#63 geplaatst Mei 17 2020, 14:55:15
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Most Rookie groups have 18-22 managers running , which is not a bad number, but in some groups the number is lower than 15 and the number of promoters is 4.
That means that you can promote from rookie without having understood the basics, but this is not always bad.
The main problem lies in amateur groups. There, the gap between the managers below position 30 and the managers fighting for promotion is huge. Managers in low table amateur would get better if they relegated to rookie again and tried to promote in a better shape. These "rookie" battles for points and podiums would be good for their knowledge and motivation growing.
So, increasing the number of managers relegating from amateur to rookie, would be good for both categories.
Reducing the money amateur managers can accumulate is another story...
If I could give an advice to rookies is to scout managers one step ahead of them. And foby new things or check and recheck things been told by experienced managers
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#64 geplaatst Mei 17 2020, 15:23:26
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Quote ( Lorne Taylor @ May 17th 2020,05:53:05 ) Quote ( Eduardo Sanchez Carenzo @ May 17th 2020,04:42:50 )
Personally I think you have to review your approach to the game.
Really? I missed races because of a system crash.
I've joined & quit two teams after getting all of no good advice, or none at all.
How, exactly, has my approach been bad? Because if all you've got is, "It's your own fault," you can go screw yourself.
WOW..........& the attitude continues.
Again, doing yourself a world of favors, to try to get genuine advice from people who know, & for even remotely mediocre teams to be interested in recruiting you.
Keep up the GREAT Work Lorne.
You are a class above the rest of us, ........Obviously
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Quote ( Ioannis Dimitroglou @ May 17th 2020,14:55:15 ) The main problem lies in amateur groups. There, the gap between the managers below position 30 and the managers fighting for promotion is huge.
If the amateur group were smaller, 34-36 cars, the gap would be smaller yet.
Quote ( Ioannis Dimitroglou @ May 17th 2020,14:55:15 ) So, increasing the number of managers relegating from amateur to rookie, would be good for both categories.
And for a few seasons rookies could promote only 3 instead of 4. So amateurs could bleed slower too.
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#66 geplaatst Mei 17 2020, 18:02:11
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Quote ( Lorne Taylor @ May 17th 2020,05:53:05 ) How, exactly, has my approach been bad? Because if all you've got is, "It's your own fault," you can go screw yourself. thats naughty
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#67 geplaatst Mei 17 2020, 18:07:44
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Quote ( Juca Santos @ May 17th 2020,18:02:11 ) Quote ( Lorne Taylor @ May 17th 2020,05:53:05 )
thats naughty
Thanks for your input Ryan Howard. How's Michael Scott doing?
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#68 geplaatst Mei 17 2020, 19:35:49
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Just create more groups for super rookies
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#69 geplaatst Mei 17 2020, 20:50:16
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Quote ( Enzo Euler @ May 17th 2020,19:35:49 ) Just create more groups for super rookies
Do you mean like aother "category" just between Amateur and Rookies? ... or even a different category called something like "beginers" below Rookies?
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Quote ( Enzo Euler @ May 17th 2020,19:35:49 ) Just create more groups for super rookies
Define a super rookie and find me more than 25, the problem is not really a problem in the scale it is made out to be
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#71 geplaatst Mei 18 2020, 01:56:23
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Quote ( Peter Willmore @ May 17th 2020,21:01:12 ) Quote ( Enzo Euler @ May 17th 2020,19:35:49 )
Just create more groups for super rookies
Define a super rookie and find me more than 25, the problem is not really a problem in the scale it is made out to be
It's definitely not a problem like it once was (even then it was overstated) since the 50 point rule thing.
Now you just have a few pretty obvious double accounts that sit in rookie not really making big results or anything.
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#72 geplaatst Mei 18 2020, 09:52:20
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#73 geplaatst Mei 18 2020, 13:13:45
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Quote ( Paul Brosnan @ May 17th 2020,18:07:44 ) How's Michael Scott doing? he is sending his regards ;]
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Second round of... #RetainARookieDay
This time is... "not going to hurt". So much. Or not where it hurts more.
Above Pros are all save from... "changing the all game". Pros the top 25 because the bottom 15 are all Amateurs walking. Anyway, it's up to who may concern.
For 1 season (or more) Amateurs don't promote 1 manager and could loose 2 spots. Pros become 38 cars. No one above 26th is touched. Do not touch zone was almost not touched. Only Amateurs are really taking it so far. And looses 2 spots too. 38 cars
And next season Rookies don't promote 1 manager and Amateurs go to 36. Only 2 relegation zones and promotion zones are touched. Rookies have an open end and could reach more 6 cars per race on average. No one in safe zones and other promotions zones are touched. The "niche" can just join and have a small surgery in its bottom. Very tiny little... cut.
Edit: the changed relegation/promotion zones should remain changed
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#75 geplaatst Mei 18 2020, 18:54:18
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I didn't understand anything about this post. It seems to be getting worse as before you were at least posting comprehensive complaints before. Now you're just rambling.
Stop trying to reform a game you've barely touched the tip of.
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#76 geplaatst Mei 18 2020, 18:58:08
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Quote ( Zé Pedro Paula @ May 18th 2020,18:42:22 ) The "niche" can just join and have a small surgery in its bottom.
I'm now fervently praying that I'm not in the niche =]
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Quote ( Thijs Rieken @ May 18th 2020,18:54:18 ) I didn't understand anything about this post. It seems to be getting worse as before you were at least posting comprehensive complaints before. Now you're just rambling.
It's a bit.
Quote ( Thijs Rieken @ May 18th 2020,18:54:18 )
Stop trying to reform a game you've barely touched the tip of.
Such a big word for my little effort to make Rookie level more interesting. Why there are promotion zones of 3 and 4. Could be all 3. Other levels above would have to have the relegation zone trimmed one way or another. Keeping 40 cars in "all" levels would have to cut 3 or 4 relegation spots in Pro. Same as in Amateur around two spots in the red zone. It's turning the game upside down for sure.
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#78 geplaatst Mei 18 2020, 19:11:58
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Quote ( Max Watson @ May 18th 2020,18:58:08 ) I'm now fervently praying that I'm not in the niche =]
Wise and cautious. Because the pyramid below is turning into a... thick stick. If it gets thinner in the rookie it will get a whole other shape.
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#79 geplaatst Mei 18 2020, 19:25:38
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Rookie level isn't supposed to be interesting, it's supposed to teach you how the game works. It's a starting point where you hopefully never need to return once you're out and a bit of a penalty for those that choose to return or stay there.
There's so many ways to obtain the knowledge required to leave Rookie level. Read the rules, get certified, do the tutorials, Google around a bit.
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#80 geplaatst Mei 18 2020, 19:46:29
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If you are going to propose changes at least make it so we are able to read it. My brain hurt trying to figure out what you were even saying.
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Quote ( Thijs Rieken @ May 18th 2020,19:25:38 ) Rookie level isn't supposed to be interesting, it's supposed to teach you how the game works.
Yes, be taught is not as fun as learning (FOBY!). Be taught to learn is another thing.
So, the aim is bore rookies to death for a couple of seasons, making dozens quit, and when some realize they can't really cope with Amateur and probably will fall down again they quit in handfuls from right on the first amateur races to when did really get relegated and quit. And the tough guys were all taught to play the game.
Quote ( Thijs Rieken @ May 18th 2020,19:25:38 ) required to leave Rookie level
Have less and less interest in getting any fast to the next level, races of 10... will certainly get me there. I google since Google started powering Yahoo!. Certified is a requirement for accessing Amateur?
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#82 geplaatst Mei 18 2020, 19:58:26 (laatst aangepast Mei 18 2020, 19:59:47 door Thijs Rieken)
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You get taught to learn by doing the stuff I mentioned, or perhaps actually following advice you can find on the forums. Even as direct replies to your posts.
But you don't seem interested in those replies. You just seem to want to rant about some point you never get to. Does it even matter what replies you get?
According to your posts the game is doomed and should be changed asap. I see a healthy playing community that tells me otherwise.
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Quote ( Thijs Rieken @ May 18th 2020,19:58:26 ) you don't seem interested in those replies
The point is not how I get from Rookie to Amateur. Actually the proposal would make it harder. The point of last rant is rookies have no right to have an interesting game while they do that.
And the point of "changing the whole game" is later rather than sooner rookie races will be 8 and 4 are promoted. The school is closing.
Edit: The only good news is the game is "main stream" since the new life race screen, but I don't see much changes in the trend since then.
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#84 geplaatst Mei 18 2020, 20:18:24
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Quote ( Zé Pedro Paula @ May 18th 2020,20:06:26 ) And the point of "changing the whole game" is later rather than sooner rookie races will be 8 and 4 are promoted. The school is closing.
The number of Rookie groups is adjusted from time to time. If there are too many, more groups are added, if there are too few rookies then groups are taken away.
This has occured on multiple occassions. I'm sure if we get to a point where it is needed again then action will be taken.
There is really no change needed to the system for rookie.
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#85 geplaatst Mei 18 2020, 20:25:47
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The number of active Rookies per group isn't declining rapidly if that's what you mean. Rookie has always been a filter of sorts, that's inherent about being the first level of a game with a high learning curve.
Or any game. I played this race game where you get matched to similar level players. In the beginning, lots of times opponents just didn't even start. Same stuff happens in league of legends and dota.
Rookie groups have less active players, because it's where inactive players end up.
You want that interesting game with a full grid? Amateur will give you that, combined with the thrill of possibly relegating.
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#86 geplaatst Mei 18 2020, 20:26:19
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Quote ( Daniel Douglas @ May 18th 2020,20:18:24 ) The number of Rookie groups is adjusted from time to time.
Should be "125 Amateur groups and 625 Rookie groups." The rules are only for some?
Quote ( Daniel Douglas @ May 18th 2020,20:18:24 ) There is really no change needed to the system for rookie.
So it's definitely to go to waste.
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#87 geplaatst Mei 18 2020, 20:35:33
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This is all just about a x5 OCD?
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Quote ( Thijs Rieken @ May 18th 2020,20:25:47 ) The number of active Rookies per group isn't declining rapidly if that's what you mean.
I don't want to argue about "rapidly". It's declining for rookies since S36 and for the whole game since S41. Not a coincidence.
I think I'm showing this for the 3rd time or so. The rebounds in rookie numbers were all done at the expenses of amateur. Then we will have to see when people start to leave home.
/gb/Stats.asp?type=graphparticipants#scroll
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#89 geplaatst Mei 18 2020, 20:42:25
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#90 geplaatst Mei 18 2020, 20:47:36
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No need for polarization @Tibor Szuromi (P20)
I think your graph shows the game has been stabilizing for the past 10 seasons. The old peak is sometimes mistaken for a healthy state, but its decline shows that this was an unmanageable state.
Current measures seem to have a stabilizing effect.
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