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Quote ( Alex Nikodem-Wing @ June 19th 2019,22:11:25 ) Quote ( Ivelin Dobrev @ June 19th 2019,05:14:36 )
Cameron, you have the really bad habit in not answering direct questions.
I’m not gonna address your post until you tell me where have I said I trust Jasper. Nowhere is an option.
Does withholding an answer to a question really help town though, sure you want to pressure an answer out of him, but there are other ways, such as voting someone or just reminding them to do so. Whilst still progressing the separate conversation.
Alex, it's as if you haven't played with Cameron before and you skipped the part where I asked him a couple of times to answer me a simple question. It feels like you didn't think before posting that.
I'm not Riley who's gonna tell everybody that Cameron is this and that, I'm trying to be patient with him as he has a particular style of play (I mean who else is crazy enough not to answer direct questions and find that normal), but after a couple of tries, I had to resort to that.
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Quote ( Jasper Coosemans @ June 20th 2019,00:19:15 ) The only way we win this game is by lynching scum, so it speaks for itself that's what we should be trying to do.
I guess my point is: if the Day 1 lynch is going to boil down to "let's lynch the inactive or stupid guy", which it sometimes does, than I will be opposing that. I will push for lynching an active player on Day 1 because I do believe the confirmed town status to be a big bonus.
And to be clear, this is not to encourage scum to be inactive. On Day 2 this all changes because any lynch target could already be primed, meaning that perhaps they won't live on as confirmed town. So I'm not pushing to lynch active players throughout the whole game and letting the inactives slip by, it's just a very specific thing for Day 1 only.
I still think it's better for town to have one inactive/ineffective confirmed town without a vote and one strong and active unconfirmed town with a vote than the opposite.
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Quote ( Lyee Chong @ June 20th 2019,03:02:35 )
Quote ( Ivelin Dobrev @ June 19th 2019,16:17:01 )
Yes, because your post was clearly aimed at discrediting my play. That's what shit-slinging means. Ivelin, please give me a reason why I shouldn't discredit your play?
You probably expect me to fully trusted every single thing you said here and give you full credit.
If not, and while I am not encourage to do any questioning job (where you label it as pathetic shit-slinging) on you, then do you mean I shall keep my doubt on you to myself quietly?
The way you try to label how people play, makes it like you thought you are watching how we play from the top, could probably be because of your ego, if you are not scum who know who's who.
If you are town, you play poorly this game.
Wow, just wow.
You are completely beside the point.
I have absolutely no problem with you questioning me and doubting me. What the problem is, is that you are making me look like a fool for questioning people who were annoyed by the short joke phase.
Calling me "Joke phase Police" is shit-slinging. Doubting that me questioning people regarding the length of the joke phase is fine (even if I still think you are wrong to think that).
Your last paragraph is straight up hypocritical. You labeled me the "Joke phase Police".
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Quote ( Lyee Chong @ June 20th 2019,04:39:22 )
Quote ( Tom Byrne @ June 19th 2019,06:13:40 )
Quote spam below this, whilst complaining about fluff. The attack wasn’t even that strong or valid (as discussed at the time). Just seems like a Lyee desperate to get someone framed as scum early. If my post is quote spam, what about yours?
Those are the quotes made by Ivelin that I picked prudently, to show his attempt to clarify "the water is wet".
No, those questions did not have obvious answers (except maybe when I asked Tom if his joke vote was one).
I seriously cannot understand how can you call me trying to create conversation on D1
Quote ( Lyee Chong @ June 17th 2019,08:15:25 ) the biggest bs I read thus far.
I find it hard to believe a town player would suspect someone for encouraging exchange early on D1.
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Quote ( Lyee Chong @ June 20th 2019,04:48:18 )
Quote ( Grant Crouch @ June 20th 2019,04:32:47 )
I don't understand this. Is there a specific way to play as scum? As town? What are you getting at? There is no specific way to play town/scum. My point is, there is high possibility that scum will play the lurk tactic like you.
How high is that possibility in your opinion?
You've been very active this game, so it's convenient to say that from your POV.
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Quote ( Grant Crouch @ June 20th 2019,05:26:19 ) This does put Damir at L-2, but it'd be entirely pointless for scum to hammer at this time. Why did you feel the need to add the part after the comma?
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Quote ( Lyee Chong @ June 20th 2019,05:35:02 ) wifom is always scum last line of defense, when they are really out of defense argument to argue thing in factual manner. Always? How do you know so much about scum play?
Besides, you're the one using WIFOM as a counter-argument here.
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Quote ( Lyee Chong @ June 20th 2019,05:33:14 ) Why do not dare to answer this question directly? while give me another question from my question. Can you not deduce his answer? It's pretty clear to me.
Besides, it's a stupid question, the answer is obviously "I don't know", regardless of alignment.
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323-324 completely useless posts IMO.
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##vote Lyee
I don't find Tom scummy, he's a solid null read to me, leaning town.
Damir has risen up in my scummy charts, wouldn't be against his lynch either.
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Quote ( Ivelin Dobrev @ June 20th 2019,07:47:55 ) Wow, just wow.
You are completely beside the point.
I have absolutely no problem with you questioning me and doubting me. What the problem is, is that you are making me look like a fool for questioning people who were annoyed by the short joke phase.
Calling me "Joke phase Police" is shit-slinging. Doubting that me questioning people regarding the length of the joke phase is fine (even if I still think you are wrong to think that).
Your last paragraph is straight up hypocritical. You labeled me the "Joke phase Police".
I am surprise that you "confuse" the original subjest of a question I asked you about your take on Martin's post, with the subject of "Joke Phase Police".
It was you who accused me shit-slinging when I asked you what's your take on Martin's posts (#152)
So is it now still the Martin-question that you feel I am discrediting you; or it is more on the Joke Phase Police thing; or it is the fluffy questions accusation that I made?
Scum who running out of consistency in discussion will say it is everything all together bla bla.. But the fact is you confuse with you original accusation. Only scum who made unsincere accusation will got themself confuse with their accusation.
The way that you are not consistent with your accusation on me is scummy.
Also, I am jaw drop when I see you try to rileying in most of the questions from myself toward Tom. Wouldn't you like to learn Tom's first reaction? Or you are just team-working it out loud? I am sure your will wifoming this theory, with bs of if you are team mate Tom, you will not help him this way. But the way you are defensing Tom now is just out of mind.
E.g. you even try to nullify my questions to Tom in #323 and #324, which is where I picked up how Tom did not behave honestly. And you claim that to be outright useless. WOW, just WOW
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Quote ( Ivelin Dobrev @ June 20th 2019,07:53:01 ) I find it hard to believe a town player would suspect someone for encouraging exchange early on D1. This is not what I mean, my point is you are clarifying "the water is wet".
I said this countless time, and you still persist with your theory of me being discouraging for conversation in D1. Your motive is obvious if scum.
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Quote ( Ivelin Dobrev @ June 20th 2019,07:54:51 ) How high is that possibility in your opinion? Higher than the centre/neuter, but lower than Tom being a scum.
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Quote ( Ivelin Dobrev @ June 20th 2019,08:03:29 ) Always? How do you know so much about scum play?
Besides, you're the one using WIFOM as a counter-argument here. I gain my mafia game knowledge via experience/games that I played.
Please elaborate where and how did I use the wifom argument in this subject?
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Quote ( Ivelin Dobrev @ June 20th 2019,08:06:49 ) Can you not deduce his answer? It's pretty clear to me.
Besides, it's a stupid question, the answer is obviously "I don't know", regardless of alignment.
Another fluffy question. You obviously see my answer if you do not partially quote here.
Why do you answer for Tom? If you are not scum, how do you know Tom do not know you are scum or not? Do you just scumslip?
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Quote ( Lyee Chong @ June 20th 2019,09:36:28 ) Wouldn't you like to learn Tom's first reaction?
Hadn't I already answered all the questions first though -> He already had my reactions?
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Tom, stop the BS.
Have you already react to #323 and #324 that Ivelin had reacted on?
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Quote ( Tom Byrne @ June 20th 2019,09:45:14 ) Hadn't I already answered all the questions first though -> He already had my reactions? And again, why do you speak for him? It is obvious that he hasn't got your reaction on #323 and #324.
Why do you spek on his behalf?
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Quote ( Lyee Chong @ June 20th 2019,09:50:18 ) Have you already react to #323 and #324 that Ivelin had reacted on?
I am corrected. I had not. I apologise.
Quote ( Lyee Chong @ June 20th 2019,06:46:30 ) Who is omgusly attack whom now?
That hasn't changed whatsoever.
Quote ( Lyee Chong @ June 20th 2019,06:54:09 ) Why do I need to believe you? Why blame me?
You don't need to believe me, although that would mean that we could move on as this back and forth has dragged on for many, many hours.
I blame you as I cannot blame myself. No doubt you would do the same.
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Quote ( Lyee Chong @ June 20th 2019,09:51:22 ) Why do you spek on his behalf?
At the time I (wrongfully) believed that I had answered all the questions, and thus thought your question was factually incorrect.
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Quote ( Tom Byrne @ June 20th 2019,10:15:13 ) That hasn't changed whatsoever. No, that said you found an wrong excuse to escape.
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Quote ( Tom Byrne @ June 20th 2019,10:15:13 ) You don't need to believe me, although that would mean that we could move on as this back and forth has dragged on for many, many hours. This is also not right. It will stop at the fact that you did not behave honestly like a town, until you can address the doubt.
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Quote ( Lyee Chong @ June 20th 2019,10:25:39 ) ntil you can address the doubt
What doubt is left Lyee?
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Quote ( Tom Byrne @ June 20th 2019,05:10:37 ) First, am I not allowed to reconsider past events? I said at the time I had reconsidered the post, because I had more information to draw reasons and motives. Second, how can you claim that I wanted to lie? If I were to do so, I’d have ignored the post where I said that I had initially called it NAI. I would have suppressed it and hoped no one brought it up. I still doubt because your attempt of generalization.
You said you changed your mind with additional info. But what info and how does the info you gained related to my Grant-push? Looks like an excuse more than an explanation.
Quote ( Lyee Chong @ June 20th 2019,06:54:09 ) And you always never try to explain #295 And I doubt you clear #295
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Quote ( Lyee Chong @ June 20th 2019,03:26:53 ) "Maybe Jesper is rich, as he owns a Ferrari"
"If Jasper can owns a Ferrari, he could probably be rich"
What I mean here is, the usage "if" and "maybe" are interchangeable in an iffy situation that we want to express. No?
Yes, that exactly what I was saying, so why did YOU call it a stretch? You tried to downplay my case on Damir and now you are contradicting yourself.
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Quote ( Lyee Chong @ June 20th 2019,13:04:42 ) You said you changed your mind with additional info. But what info and how does the info you gained related to my Grant-push? Looks like an excuse more than an explanation.
What info? Everything contained in #210, followed by pretty much everything that we've discussed in the time since.
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Now to answer 295
Quote ( Lyee Chong @ June 20th 2019,05:22:59 ) If you expected Cam to be confrontational, then why you highlight this behavior of him?
I highlighted it as it was something. Early on you have little, so you talk about anything. I mentioned at the time that it was probably nothing (which it was) and moved on. I don't see how that could be contradictory.
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Word of warning also, I'll be less active tomorrow. I have an exam from 11-2 (ish) AEST, but after that its uni holidays for me :)
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Quote ( Jasper Coosemans @ June 20th 2019,13:14:34 ) Yes, that exactly what I was saying, so why did YOU call it a stretch? You tried to downplay my case on Damir and now you are contradicting yourself. What do you mean?
By the examples, I mean the "if" and "maybe" is interchangeable. So what is wrong of using the "if" and not using the "maybe", or vice versa.
While this where you said you have problem with Damir's choice of using if/may..
Quote ( Jasper Coosemans @ June 19th 2019,02:24:18 ) (he didn't use the word "maybe", he used the word "if", but I think this is what he means
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Quote ( Tom Byrne @ June 20th 2019,13:15:02 ) What info? Everything contained in #210, followed by pretty much everything that we've discussed in the time since. This is exactly what I mean. If you want to explain it in these general term, I am not going to buy it.
Quote ( Tom Byrne @ June 20th 2019,13:16:58 ) I highlighted it as it was something. Early on you have little, so you talk about anything. I mentioned at the time that it was probably nothing (which it was) and moved on. I don't see how that could be contradictory. I do not understand your explanation. What I have little? You mention what?
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