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Тема: TRACK COST Scale (by IBK) |
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#31 публикувано 8 Фев 2017 г. 15:21:10
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Quote ( Miel Soeterbroek @ February 8th 2017,15:09:23 ) A season with a cost of 35 is an average expensive season. Average in GPRO terms, where seasons are always expensive. ;)
Okay, you could argue that I should not make two halfs, expensive and cheap, but rather have thirds: cheap, average and expensive. Cheap would be from 18.64 to 29.76, average from 29.76 to 40.88 and expensive from 40.89 to 52. But as one of the leaders of GPRO I signed a decree and created an alternative fact: Below 35 is cheap! :P
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#32 публикувано 8 Фев 2017 г. 15:26:55
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How about expensive, very expensive, and ridiculously expensive?
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Quote ( Stefan Voggenreither @ February 8th 2017,15:21:10 ) Cheap would be from 18.64 to 29.76, average from 29.76 to 40.88 and expensive from 40.89 to 52.
I used my own values, but with same principle as Ioannis. Based on them, there has been only 1!!!!!! expensive season (S6). You are clearly doing your job poorly.
EDIT: Whoops, my formula missed race 1. There has been 2 clearly expensive seasons and 1 just.
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#34 публикувано 8 Фев 2017 г. 15:29:47
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Quote ( Stefan Voggenreither @ February 8th 2017,14:15:02 ) And still interesting that I have slightly different data about all that... :-P Thats why you never been promoted
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#35 публикувано 8 Фев 2017 г. 15:38:12
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Quote ( Alexei Malkin @ February 8th 2017,15:29:47 ) Thats why you never been promoted
Got promoted in S33 as far as I remember. Forgot to have a negative balance. Took me some time during the season reset to correct it :P
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#36 публикувано 8 Фев 2017 г. 15:57:11
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Quote ( Roland Postle @ February 8th 2017,15:26:55 ) How about expensive, very expensive, and ridiculously expensive? That sounds about right. Maybe, and this is solely to please Stefan, we could add another option on the left hand side: 'cost-effective': any season with 19 or less on the IBK scale and Jyllands as a test track.
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#37 публикувано 8 Фев 2017 г. 16:11:54 (редактирано 8 Фев 2017 г. 16:12:48 от Jon Day)
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Quote ( Miel Soeterbroek @ February 8th 2017,15:57:11 ) and Jyllands as a test track. Test track should be Birmingham Queensway...Had the misfortune of having to drive along that the other night. Plenty of kids "driving" like they think they are Colin Mcrae. Parts wear must be very cheap as its the same night after night and none of the cars looked like it cost more than £500.
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Quote ( Stefan Voggenreither @ February 8th 2017,15:21:10 ) Okay, you could argue that I should not make two halfs, expensive and cheap, but rather have thirds: cheap, average and expensive. Cheap would be from 18.64 to 29.76, average from 29.76 to 40.88 and expensive from 40.89 to 52. But as one of the leaders of GPRO I signed a decree and created an alternative fact: Below 35 is cheap! :P
- Thanks Stefan, we have the same logical. ...so to follow the same method to specify the SEASON SCALE (like Tracks Scale) we have: 1. limits are 18,64 & 54,04 (not 52) 2. Scale Season is 0-1-2-3-4 again (...5 areas) ..from ......to 18,64 ...25,72 Very Cheap (0) 25,72 ...32,80 Cheap (1) 32,80 ...39,88 Normal (2) 39,88 ...46,96 Expensive (3) 46,96 ...54,04 Very Expensive (4)
...so really the 33,5 of season 57 are at the begin of Normal Area.!!!
Good Night from Beautiful Sithonia/Chalkidiki/Greece.!!!
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#39 публикувано 8 Фев 2017 г. 19:34:59 (редактирано 8 Фев 2017 г. 19:36:00 от Hugo Merlin)
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Stefan so from now on seasons calendar will have IBK scale information, right? :)
E.g.: "S58 -> 41.95 on IBK scale" "S59 -> 36.67 on IBK scale" ...
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Better yet, don't post the actual calendar at all until the reset, only hint at its cost by mentioning next season's IBK value :D
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Miel, you should put that beer down. That is FOBY you're giving Stefan too much information.
Oops... many thanks for the effort.
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#42 публикувано 9 Фев 2017 г. 09:20:15
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Quote ( Ioannis Kalogirou @ February 8th 2017,19:02:47 ) 54,04 (not 52)
Believe me, it is 52 :) You have to drop Rafaela Oval, Indianapolis Oval and Jerez from the list of the most expensive tracks as they would not show up in the most expensive calender. These tracks are from a country that have one more track and therefore they would be already represented in the calander. Instead of these tracks you have to add Montreal, Slovakiaring and Monza.
Quote ( Miel Soeterbroek @ February 8th 2017,20:10:30 ) Better yet, don't post the actual calendar at all until the reset, only hint at its cost by mentioning next season's IBK value :D
Interesting idea - the one who guesses then the calendar correct by "re-engineering" the IBK value get's supporter credits worth one season :P
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Quote ( Stefan Voggenreither @ February 9th 2017,09:20:15 ) Believe me, it is 52 :) You have to drop Rafaela Oval, Indianapolis Oval and Jerez
- OK Stefan you Know better.!!! ...I Hope to Helped you a little to your Excellent job with that New TOOL.!!! - I watch all this time, How carefully and Clever Choose the Tracks, to keep a Normal Flow between the Character PHA from Track to Track, to Make More Easy our Lifes, and always have the seasons a minimum economical Balance.!!!
- The Only New that have to say is for the testing Tracks.!!! ...always in Real F1 are the same tracks.!!! - Maybe are better to all of as and the long Programing to Have Only 3 Tracks 0,00 .28 Jyllands-Ringen 0,58 .34 Mexico City 0,64 .3 Ahvenisto for testing and change every season on Circle.!!!! ...so we Know What Track we have the next ...Seasons.!!!!
- To Put as Testing Track, a track like 1,56 .53 Sochi, or even worst like 2,15 .30 Kyalami, is Simple ...a LITTLE Big DISASTER.!!!
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#44 публикувано 9 Фев 2017 г. 14:59:49
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Quote ( Ioannis Kalogirou @ February 9th 2017,14:50:05 ) - OK Stefan you Know better.!!!...I Hope to Help you with this TOOL, a little to your Excellent job.!!!- I watch all this time, How carefully and Clever Choose the Tracks, to keep a Normal Flow between the Character PHA from Track to Track, to Make More Easy our Lifes, and always have the seasons a minimum economical Balance.!!! I like Ioannis, but I read his posts and always end up wondering where he lives.
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#45 публикувано 9 Фев 2017 г. 16:20:42
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Quote ( Ioannis Kalogirou @ February 9th 2017,14:50:05 ) ...I Hope to Helped you a little to your Excellent job with that New TOOL.!!!
To be totally honest: not really :D Why? Because I have of course already a tool :) And believe it or not, I use it alreday for several years. The calendar could be really worse if I would not use it :)
But the list differs not that much from yours except that I am using total usage instead of cost. That is why Portima for example is a bit more down in my list than in yours. It has more total usage than some other tracks, but of course the usage for a very costly part is less than for others. But I keep that special usage also in mind when I do the calendar. You won't get a calendar where you have 4 tracks in a row with high usage on that part. And I also try to get a balanced calendar regarding overtaking. :)
But your tool is a good help for overall transparency - I am sure that it won't take now more than an hour after the new calendar got released before someone posts the IBK-Index for it :D
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Quote ( Jon Day @ February 9th 2017,14:59:49 ) I like Ioannis, but I read his posts and always end up wondering where he lives.
Chalkidiki, Sithonia, IIRC
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#47 публикувано 9 Фев 2017 г. 16:40:34
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Okay, as I had a few minutes left and I really like that stat, here the IBK values for all seasons so far :)
Ordered by Season Ordered by IBK_Index Season# IBK_Index Season# IBK_Index --------------------------------------------- 1 42.48 55 26.58 2 45.02 39 29.40 3 42.29 68 30.33 4 41.06 17 30.41 5 36.57 66 30.65 6 46.66 49 30.93 7 41.01 61 31.15 8 38.97 13 31.27 9 41.65 34 31.72 10 38.39 44 32.06 11 36.16 69 32.26 12 40.91 63 32.56 13 31.27 45 32.96 14 40.82 51 33.32 15 35.93 60 33.38 16 38.90 20 33.39 17 30.41 64 33.41 18 35.71 57 33.45 19 40.34 43 33.57 20 33.39 58 33.65 21 35.38 27 33.72 22 39.01 31 34.08 23 38.91 25 34.10 24 41.87 54 34.12 25 34.10 40 34.20 26 39.79 59 34.22 27 33.72 47 34.35 28 36.22 46 34.79 29 35.98 50 34.81 30 39.09 36 35.05 31 34.08 21 35.38 32 35.99 41 35.54 33 39.78 18 35.71 34 31.72 48 35.73 35 36.45 65 35.84 36 35.05 15 35.93 37 39.27 29 35.98 38 36.79 32 35.99 39 29.40 70 36.00 40 34.20 11 36.16 41 35.54 28 36.22 42 37.78 53 36.30 43 33.57 35 36.45 44 32.06 5 36.57 45 32.96 38 36.79 46 34.79 56 37.25 47 34.35 67 37.30 48 35.73 42 37.78 49 30.93 52 38.05 50 34.81 10 38.39 51 33.32 16 38.90 52 38.05 23 38.91 53 36.30 8 38.97 54 34.12 22 39.01 55 26.58 30 39.09 56 37.25 37 39.27 57 33.45 62 39.70 58 33.65 33 39.78 59 34.22 26 39.79 60 33.38 19 40.34 61 31.15 14 40.82 62 39.70 12 40.91 63 32.56 7 41.01 64 33.41 4 41.06 65 35.84 9 41.65 66 30.65 24 41.87 67 37.30 3 42.29 68 30.33 1 42.48 69 32.26 2 45.02 70 36.00 6 46.66
Hmm... according to Ioannis scale 39 of 57 calendars (68.4%) were normal. Just 11 (19.3%) were expensive... now I like that stat even more. Looks like the calendars are getting too cheap lately :P
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#49 публикувано 10 Фев 2017 г. 15:20:27
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How on earth can you conclude that!
Looking at that list, seasons under 30 are pretty rare. Yet the cheapest possible season was 18 or something? That doesn't sound right at all, therefore: it's time for cheaper seasons!
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Quote ( Stefan Voggenreither @ February 10th 2017,15:14:41 ) Looks like the calendars are getting to cheap lately :P
50 34.81 7 41.01 51 33.32 4 41.06 52 38.05 9 41.65 53 36.30 24 41.87 54 34.12 3 42.29 55 26.58 1 42.48 56 37.25 2 45.02 57 33.45 6 46.66
I'd say they were getting more and more expensive since S50 :p
WE NEED A CHEAP SEASON!!!!! :p
e : oh wait, I was looking at the wrong column...damn!
wehn can Rafaela Oval and Indy Oval in same season Stefan? :p
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#51 публикувано 10 Фев 2017 г. 15:31:33
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Quote ( Stuart Foster @ February 10th 2017,15:22:36 ) wehn can Rafaela Oval and Indy Oval in same season Stefan? :p
That is lame... Rafaela has less than 3 on the IBK scale :P
But you will get Indy Oval and two other tracks with 3.x on the scale... harharhar... :)
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#52 публикувано 10 Фев 2017 г. 15:33:27
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Seeing as you did this season's calendar quite late last season Stefan - how about giving us next season's calendar really early this season to make up for it?
Like - now! ;)
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#53 публикувано 10 Фев 2017 г. 15:41:46
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Quote ( Stefan Voggenreither @ February 10th 2017,15:14:41 )Hmm... according to Ioannis scale 39 of 57 calendars (68.4%) were normal. Just 11 (19.3%) were expensive... now I like that stat even more. Looks like the calendars are getting too cheap lately :P
That's not a surprise. If the IBK scales of tracks are somewhat uniformly distributed and you take random selections out of them each season, the total season cost can be expected to be more or less Gaussian.
So just saying "under 33% is cheap and over 67% is expensive" is probably not very meaningful.
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#54 публикувано 10 Фев 2017 г. 15:45:45
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Quote ( Jasper Coosemans @ February 10th 2017,15:41:46 ) So just saying "under 33% is cheap and over 67% is expensive" is probably not very meaningful.
Correct, but helps me to build alternative facts that my calendars are not expensive :P
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- The Cost of seasons Stefan are Balance and thanks to give as the list of seasons.!!! - The Real Problem, is the testing tracks.!!!
Quote ( Ioannis Kalogirou @ February 9th 2017,14:50:05 ) - The Only New that have to say is for the testing Tracks.!!! ...always in Real F1 are the same tracks.!!! - Maybe are better to all of as and the long Programing to Have Only 3 Tracks 0,00 .28 Jyllands-Ringen 0,58 .34 Mexico City 0,64 .3 Ahvenisto for testing and change every season on Circle.!!!! ...so we Know What Track we have the next ...Seasons.!!!!
This Improve Everything.!!!
- To Put as Testing Track, a track like 1,56 .53 Sochi, or even worst like 2,15 .30 Kyalami, is Simple ...a LITTLE Big DISASTER.!!!
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#56 публикувано 10 Фев 2017 г. 16:28:26
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Quote ( Stefan Voggenreither @ February 10th 2017,15:45:45 ) alternative facts
Pffft, you should be a news reporter :p
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#57 публикувано 10 Фев 2017 г. 17:02:34
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I still think Rafaela Oval needs to be the test track one season.
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#58 публикувано 10 Фев 2017 г. 17:30:37
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The season cost list should be revised to include 100 test laps per race.
A comparison of season costs with max testing, no testing, and half testing would be interesting
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Quote ( Michael Monaco @ February 10th 2017,17:30:37 ) A comparison of season costs with max testing, no testing, and half testing would be interesting
- Thats it's easy Michael... ...the cost of one testing dependent from the testing TRACK.!!!! ...if that is UNTER <1,00 of my Scale cost about 50% of a common Race (all including), ...but if is like Kyalami 2,15 in scale the cost UP to 80%.!!!! - All that of course with 6 level Parts, because if we go to 8-9 level GOD Help as.-
- Good Day to all, from beautiful Sithonia/Chalkidiki/Greece.!!!
@@@ I Wrote about this Theme 2 Times to Mr STEFAN, but remain Silent.!!!
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#60 публикувано 11 Фев 2017 г. 10:53:43
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Test track is the same for everyone so if it's expensive, I would say... deal with it. ^^
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