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Post antigo #1 Postado 23 Set 2013, 20:18:08 Citar 
Just noticed this in the Announcements bit (posted at 20:09CET):

We have done a slight change to the rules which may affect some Rookie managers during the next season reset.

Every manager who scored more than 50 points during the season and doesn't promote from Rookie (by finishing the season in negative), will start next season with a financial penalty worth $200.000 for every point he scored above 50 points in the previous season. The amount will be deducted from the starting balance for the new season (after the season reset). This rule will apply effective immediately.


I don't really see why this has been added myself, but what do you guys think of it?
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Post antigo #2 Postado 23 Set 2013, 20:19:32 Citar 
Damn you Josh, I just did the same :D
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Post antigo #3 Postado 23 Set 2013, 20:19:55 Citar 
Excellent idea! That makes more difficult to be in rookie from season to another, win every race. I'd like call it Roca rule
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Post antigo #4 Postado 23 Set 2013, 20:20:11 Citar 
Quote ( Josh Anderson @ September 23rd 2013,20:18:08 )

I don't really see why this has been added myself


Two words ... Jan Roca.

This stops the creation of 'Super Rookies', those that win their groups over and over and over and finishing in negative at the end of the season.

It's a very good idea.
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Post antigo #5 Postado 23 Set 2013, 20:20:16 Citar 
A perfect innovation!!!
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Post antigo #6 Postado 23 Set 2013, 20:20:19 Citar 
just another challenge. try to get 170pts then try to do it the season after with less starting money
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Post antigo #7 Postado 23 Set 2013, 20:20:55 (editado pela última vêz 23 Set 2013, 20:24:12 por Jordan Randall) Citar 
It's a fair penalty, punish those who should go up but cheat the system to change that.

Not that it should matter surely if the managers from the season before have set themselves up ready to promote that time out, but hey will be fun to see the outcome and if groups above get tighter to survive

I wonder how Jan will get on with the rule

I would add a note that the downside is if that so many managers try to promote, and groups get tight, and you have more managers with 50+ points, but no space to promote outside the top 4, it will probably cause some strain.

It's a great plan, but maybe should be tweaked to only punish those in the top 4 who go negative
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Post antigo #8 Postado 23 Set 2013, 20:23:17 Citar 
This is a bad idea that we that we are still not got Rookie learned how to retain the positive balance money :( :( :(
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Post antigo #9 Postado 23 Set 2013, 20:23:46 Citar 
Quote ( Klinti Velo @ September 23rd 2013,20:23:17 )

This is a bad idea that we that we are still not got Rookie learned how to retain the positive balance money :( :( :(


Then start learning, mate. This is a money management game.
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Post antigo #10 Postado 23 Set 2013, 20:24:18 Citar 
in that case I don't think you would score more than 50 points
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Post antigo #11 Postado 23 Set 2013, 20:24:51 Citar 
So Jens vs Joan battle is finished with that ? :O
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Post antigo #12 Postado 23 Set 2013, 20:24:57 (editado pela última vêz 23 Set 2013, 20:25:56 por Jensen Owens) Citar 
Quote ( Jordan Randall @ September 23rd 2013,20:20:55 )

cheat the system to change that.


It was not cheating, because there was no rule in place ;-)

Quote ( Martynas Brazenas @ September 23rd 2013,20:24:51 )

So Jens vs Joan battle is finished with that ? :O


Nope because we will just promo, the game will be played how it should be ;-)
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Post antigo #13 Postado 23 Set 2013, 20:25:19 Citar 
Joan is probably creating multiple accounts as we speak! :)
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Post antigo #14 Postado 23 Set 2013, 20:25:29 Citar 

It will be so easy to get around this, I don't know why they bothered...

It only affects people who want to win, but not promote.

Surely if I only care to improve driver, the rule just means I will probably tank races towards the end to stay below 50 points. It removes the fun of competing and training a driver, which is sad to me, but not something I would actually cry over.
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Post antigo #15 Postado 23 Set 2013, 20:26:04 Citar 
It is better to be fined since 2nd attempt
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Post antigo #16 Postado 23 Set 2013, 20:26:21 Citar 
Nice Rule
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Post antigo #17 Postado 23 Set 2013, 20:26:31 Citar 
I'll answer both polls considering.

I love the idea first and foremost.

Secondly, I don't think the penalty isn't harsh enough. It's there primarily to abolish those guys who spend their whole careers in rookie. And destroying rookie by 50-80 points from 2nd place. scoring 100pts is 10mil. And that is a massive hit for someone who is training a driver for their proper push.
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Post antigo #18 Postado 23 Set 2013, 20:29:14 Citar 
Quote ( Jonathan MacLean @ September 23rd 2013,20:26:31 )

I don't think the penalty isn't harsh enough

You don't not think the penalty isn't not harsh enough?
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Post antigo #19 Postado 23 Set 2013, 20:29:37 Citar 
Quote ( Alexei Malkin @ September 23rd 2013,20:26:04 )

It is better to be fined since 2nd attempt

I actually have to agree with Alexei...

Quote ( Jonathan MacLean @ September 23rd 2013,20:26:31 )

Secondly, I don't think the penalty isn't harsh enough. It's there primarily to abolish those guys who spend their whole careers in rookie. And destroying rookie by 50-80 points from 2nd place. scoring 100pts is 10mil. And that is a massive hit for someone who is training a driver for their proper push.

I'd still say that it's not harsh enough, BUT (!!!) I think 50 points is too low. There are like 15 managers max racing at all, so it's easy to collect 50 points not knowing what you are doing.
So I would raise it to maybe to 75 points ? And then raise the fine per point also.
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Post antigo #20 Postado 23 Set 2013, 20:29:40 Citar 
Quote ( Martynas Brazenas @ September 23rd 2013,20:24:51 )

So Jens vs Joan battle is finished with that ? :O
No :P

Joan will score 170 points which is a penalty of 24M.
Which will be a starting budget of 11M.

Jensen might have a chance now :D
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Post antigo #21 Postado 23 Set 2013, 20:30:35 Citar 
Think this is a great idea.
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Post antigo #22 Postado 23 Set 2013, 20:31:23 Citar 
I am against the penalty. In Rookie category, there are many penalties to veteran players (except the 5 millions at the beginning). You cannot build your promotion gradually.

This is because the management wants to foster the entrance of new players into the game for business reasons and the way to motivate them is to equal them (except for the aforementioned 5 millions) to the veterans.

There are more "newbies" than "veteran good rookies" so it is better to motivate the first ones to stay and play.

I say this because in each Rookie category there are about ten seasoned rookies, ten acceptable rookies who find their way out, and twenty that are totally parachuters.
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Post antigo #23 Postado 23 Set 2013, 20:31:28 Citar 
Isn't 170 points a penalty of 34M?
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Post antigo #24 Postado 23 Set 2013, 20:31:40 Citar 
Quote ( Andrei Ciuchi @ September 23rd 2013,20:23:46 )

Then start learning, mate. This is a money management game.

I know but it is very difficult.
It is difficult to manage money and now will be super hard.
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Post antigo #25 Postado 23 Set 2013, 20:32:18 (editado pela última vêz 23 Set 2013, 20:32:33 por Marco Predappio) Citar 
Imho there should also be one rookie group dedicated to the "resetting managers". Unlucky reset, do reset everything beside the knowledge of the managers and that's a bit unfair to the "real" rookies.
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Post antigo #26 Postado 23 Set 2013, 20:32:31 Citar 
Quote ( Mairo Toom @ September 23rd 2013,20:29:37 )

So I would raise it to maybe to 75 points


That seems more fair to me, because of the point you have pointed out :-)
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Post antigo #27 Postado 23 Set 2013, 20:33:08 (editado pela última vêz 23 Set 2013, 20:35:24 por Mehdi El Fathy) Citar 
Joan Centellas will like this.

But well, Joan might still stay in Rookie, but he's in a bad mood, he doesn't have that much money ATM...

He's in a really bad mood.

I think that he may quit GPRO soon
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Post antigo #28 Postado 23 Set 2013, 20:33:18 Citar 
Quote ( Stefan Gommans @ September 23rd 2013,20:29:40 )

Jensen might have a chance now :D


Other way around dude ;-)
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Post antigo #29 Postado 23 Set 2013, 20:33:55 (editado pela última vêz 23 Set 2013, 20:35:53 por Andrei Ciuchi) Citar 
Quote ( Wopke Hoekstra @ September 23rd 2013,20:31:28 )

Isn't 170 points a penalty of 34M?


(170 - 50) x 200000 = 24 million

Quote ( Klinti Velo @ September 23rd 2013,20:31:40 )

I know but it is very difficult.
It is difficult to manage money and now will be super hard.


Not that difficult to manage money in Rookie. You just need to start learning how to do it.

Quote ( Martin Pino @ September 23rd 2013,20:31:23 )

You cannot build your promotion gradually.


Do you really need to build your promotion with more than 50 points per non-promotion season?
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Post antigo #30 Postado 23 Set 2013, 20:33:57 Citar 
Quote ( Guillermo Jimenez @ September 23rd 2013,20:26:21 )

Nice Rule
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