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Shame for Big Sam that his deal didn't go through all those months ago, he could do with the money to pay off some refs. Will enjoy watching him plummet.
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Of the last 22 shots faced, Claudio Bravo has conceded 14 goals.
Pep is too arrogant to admit he has made a mistake.
Today, despite City being dreadful, he barely left his seat, reckon he'll bail out soon.
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#24028 Skrevet Jan 21 2017, 15:49:33 (senest redigeret Jan 21 2017, 15:49:50 af Jon Day)
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Quote ( Jack Wemyss @ January 21st 2017,15:40:52 ) LOLverpool Wheres Michael Winkley when you need him :D
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Mata is playing in the wrong shirt, clearly.
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Quote ( Andrei Ciuchi @ January 21st 2017,16:52:23 ) Mata is playing in the wrong shirt, clearly. You want me to find out why? You know I will :P
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I would very much appreciate a feedback, Jon. :)
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Lol...Watch this space :D
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Claudio!
As a Leicester fan it just doesn't feel right
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I think Paddy Power summed it up pretty well...
"Ranieri could have gotten back to back relegations and taken a shite on the Chairman's desk, and still wouldn't deserve the sack."
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Terrible decision. Paddy Power has it right.
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Sums up modern football. Ridiculous.
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Well Ranieri had to go. Just because he won the league last season doesn't mean he can stay even if Leicester are getting relegated. That's just ridiculous. Keeping him would have been like giving up on surviving in the league.
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And it makes so much sense to just kick him out now after winning the league last season. [/sarcasm]
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Quote ( Sudeep Pednekar @ February 24th 2017,18:56:36 ) Well Ranieri had to go. Just because he won the league last season doesn't mean he can stay even if Leicester are getting relegated. That's just ridiculous. Keeping him would have been like giving up on surviving in the league.
It's Leicester, not Manchester United or Real Madrid ffs. You fail to see the bigger picture if you think sacking Ranieri was right.
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Quote ( Sudeep Pednekar @ February 24th 2017,18:56:36 ) Well Ranieri had to go. Just because he won the league last season doesn't mean he can stay even if Leicester are getting relegated. That's just ridiculous. Keeping him would have been like giving up on surviving in the league.
They are 4th from bottom, not even in the relegation zone - the guy more than deserves a chance to turn things around, especially while still in the Champions' League, given what he has done.
And, if not for last season, 4th from bottom would be seen as a good place for them!
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Quote ( Andrei Ciuchi @ February 24th 2017,19:34:06 ) And it makes so much sense to just kick him out now after winning the league last season. [/sarcasm]
Keeping him would have made no real sense. Most of the players had turned against him. He had lost the faith of most of his players. He wasn't turning anything around.
Quote ( Kevin Parkinson @ February 25th 2017,00:18:48 ) Quote ( Sudeep Pednekar @ February 24th 2017,18:56:36 )
Well Ranieri had to go. Just because he won the league last season doesn't mean he can stay even if Leicester are getting relegated. That's just ridiculous. Keeping him would have been like giving up on surviving in the league.
They are 4th from bottom, not even in the relegation zone - the guy more than deserves a chance to turn things around, especially while still in the Champions' League, given what he has done.
And, if not for last season, 4th from bottom would be seen as a good place for them!
Everyone in the relegation zone apart from Palace have been improving. They would have gotten relegated if they had kept Claudio. Now they at least have a chance.
Quote ( Marius Ruţa @ February 24th 2017,22:09:38 ) Quote ( Sudeep Pednekar @ February 24th 2017,18:56:36 )
Well Ranieri had to go. Just because he won the league last season doesn't mean he can stay even if Leicester are getting relegated. That's just ridiculous. Keeping him would have been like giving up on surviving in the league.
It's Leicester, not Manchester United or Real Madrid ffs. You fail to see the bigger picture if you think sacking Ranieri was right.
What is the bigger picture? Being a sentimental fool?
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Quote ( Sudeep Pednekar @ February 25th 2017,06:14:09 ) He wasn't turning anything around.
Give the man time. He just won Leicester a title, when everyone was seeing them fighting to avoid relegation. They probably won't get anywhere near the CL spots for a long time from now. Sorry for all Leicester fans, but you know that's most likely true.
The owner's decision was just plain stupid.
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Quote ( Sudeep Pednekar @ February 25th 2017,06:14:09 ) Keeping him would have made no real sense. Most of the players had turned against him. He had lost the faith of most of his players. He wasn't turning anything around.
if that`s the case, the players should take a good look at themselves and feel ashamed. Not that it will happen though, but stil...
Quote ( Sudeep Pednekar @ February 25th 2017,06:14:09 ) What is the bigger picture? Being a sentimental fool?
Yes, being a sentimental fool. For what he achieved last season, he should`ve gotten a lifetime contract and retire from Leicester. If anyone thinks Leicester should`ve challenged for the Premier League again this season, they`re deluded. Last season they overachieved big time and achieved something amazing, it`s a once in a lifetime moment, especially nowadays, with so much money floating around,. That was Hollywood stuff, it doesn`t get any better than this, it`s Miracle on Ice on a new scale, it`s one of the biggest upsets in sports history. Most of the footballing world wanted Leicester to win, that`s how big it was. So if Ranieri deserves to be sacked just 9 months after achieving this, that`s a sad state of affairs and shows how short memory some of the people involved in football have.
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Lol being sentimental isn't going to help Leicester fans, the club or the hierarchy. Keeping Ranieri and getting relegated would have been stupid. Just because he won the league last season.
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Quote ( Sudeep Pednekar @ February 25th 2017,06:14:09 ) They would have gotten relegated if they had kept Claudio. Now they at least have a chance.
That's opinion. You've no way of knowing if he would have kept them up or not, the same way there is no way of knowing if someone coming in to replace him will keep them up or not.
But the point is he more than proved his calibre with what he did with that team last season.
Has he suddenly became a bad manager? No. Is he underachieving, actually no. Sure, he's hit a bad run of form but so do most lower table teams at some point in the season. He's as capable, if not more, than turning it around and what he proved he could do last season should give him the edge over any "new manager effect".
And that's without taking the "sentimental" angle in to consideration, which I can accept is a much more two-sided discussion, and can see both sides.
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If Saints lose tomorrow we'll take Ranieri :P
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EDIT: ***cough*** me this is a long ramble!!!!
I am with Sudeep on this one folks.
For anyone with no connection to the club it does appear incredibly harsh to be sacking the manager that guided Leicester to the miracle win last season. It looks worse, not only because of that achievement, but also because Claudio is a genuinely nice guy. Great personality with charm and charisma and an a true gentlemen. He protected the players last season and deflected their chances of a title win brilliantly when under the spotlight, but that same level of protection and loyalty is a small part of his downfall this season.
He will always be loved by the fans and I wouldn't be surprised if his named is chanted at the Liverpool game on Monday night.
When he was sacked by Chelsea at the end of 2003/4 he had finished runners up to Arsenals invincible's and reached the Champions League semi finals. I felt at that time he was incredibly unlucky to lose his job, but the owner had a clear idea what he wanted to achieve and has gone on to make that happen with Chelsea.
Whats gone wrong this season at Leicester?
- PRE-SEASON
Was quite frankly appalling. They didn't get enough meaningful games in and didn't spend enough time building back up the players fitness levels. Part of Leicesters success last season (and the strong finish to the season before) was the high fitness levels the players had. They could outrun other teams, pressing and harrying opposition and chasing lost causes and creating opportunities by causing the opposition to make mistakes.
Too much time was spent jet setting to Thailand, California, Sweden (to name a few places) parading the trophy about and playing show piece matches against the likes of PSG and Barcelona
They just didn't get the miles in their legs for fitness and match sharpness to hit the ground running with the same level of intensity that they had last season
- CONTRACTS & CARS
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but I remember thinking in the summer that too many of our 'average' players were being rewarded with high salaried extended contracts. Wes Morgan, the captain for instance, at the age of 32 was signed until summer of 2019, to age 35! It was obvious the season before last, we'd probably only get another couple of seasons out of him being able to play premiership level football and that is clearly evident by his performances this season.
Vardy, Mahrez and Drinkwater, given their ages and performances last season and the way they were being courted by other clubs were completely understandable extensions. The fans would have been in meltdown if those 3 were sold on top on Kante going.
But, Albrighton, Fuchs, Simpson, King to name just 4 more who were rewarded, not for me.
This, along with all the first team squad receiving BMW i8's on there return to pre-season, maybe set the wrong tone in terms of creating a hunger and desire within the squad.
- RECRUITMENT
I am sure Claudio will have had some input into the signings we made last summer, on the face of it at the time they didn't seem too bad, but myself and a lot of fans were critical we hadn't signed any decent cover at centre back, in fact we sold our only decent young centre half to Reading (Liam Moore) or at right back.
Mendy (CM) came in, made one appearance, got injured and wasn't seen again until December, so unlucky with that one, but he hasn't been able to cement a place since his return to a team that is devoid of confidence. Looks way off the pace and is likely more suited to playing in a 3 man midfield where he had played all his career previously. Lost in a 2 man midfield.
Slimani (Striker) has shown potential, but has missed too many games with injury or AFCOM duty. The jury is still out on him, on occasions he looks like he'd struggle to trap a bag of cement and on others he looks a real handful and threat in front of goal.
Hernandez (centre back) played 1 game at centre half and a handful of cup games at right back and was sold in January - strange signing. He looked composed on the ball but the feeling is, was never given a real opportunity to replace Morgan and Huth.
Kaputska (AML/AMC) has bags of potential, but was decided he needs to strengthen himself up (only 20yo) but from the small amount of game time he has had, looks composed and can pick a pass - just what Leicester need.
Musa (Striker) I think was bought in as cover for Vardy, blistering pace, but a bit of a headless chicken. Not given an extended period in the team up top, been played wide left or right which highlights his weakness's further by being in an unfamiliar position
N'Diddi - Arrived in January, another 20yo, he will, without a doubt go on to bigger and better things, he is a future star.
Upshot is, the recruitment was 'average' at best. Too much reliance on the same players as last season delivering and not enough quality brought in to really make those established players fight and earn their place in the team.
We spent over £80million!
- TACTICS & TEAM SELECTIONS
This is the one area where Claudio is completely responsible. He sets the tone and clarity of what is needed on the pitch.
Up until mid November he persisted with 442 when it was obvious away from home something more was needed in the middle of the park, especially when Drinkwater was injured and then suspended, we just didn't have enough quality personnel to be playing 2 in the middle of the pitch.
Credit to him though, he has tried to change things, with varying strategies from 343, 4231, 442 (with diamond), 4411. But you have to question what are they working on in training?? And why not go more than 1 game (ie 2 or 3 consecutive games) playing the same tactic to help embed it with the players?
This recent chopping and changing and some very questionable team selections have lost all confidence within the dressing room. It's obvious with the displays on the pitch that the players have a lack of clarity on what exactly is being asked of them.
It's the manner of the performances the team have been displaying since Christmas that has led to his downfall. The lack of chances created, the defensive nature the team has taken on. They are entering games with 'must not lose' mentality, whereas last season they would enter it with 'try and win'. When you have a limited defence and sit deep you will create problems for yourself.
Two subtle things that are noticeable that demonstrate this are at corners.
Last season we defended with people on the posts and ALWAYS left at least 1, quite often 2 people up on or around the halfway line. This meant the opposition always had to leave people back and we would have an outlet for a long clearance. This season everyone is coming back, so there is no outlet for a quick breakaway or for someone to hold the ball up to allow us to get out of our box.
To not score a goal in 2017 premiership speaks volumes of how low we have dropped, align that to losing away to a Division 1 side in the FA Cup, who played for 40 minutes with 10 men is unacceptable. Especially when there was quite a gap before the next game. He should have been playing a stronger side with a view to gaining momentum and confidence.
The final straw was the team selection against Seville, although, it looks like the decision was made before that game that he would be replaced. Demari Gray has been one ray of sunshine this season and he was left on the bench for Musa to start the game. Dreadful decision to be picking him in an unfamiliar position and it was his lack of closing down that lead to the first goal.
- OWNERS
As a Leicester fan, you really could not wish for better owners. They have been at the club for 7 years, always supported the club with finance and backed their manager and I trust them completely.
Claudio was given a chance, the rallying call from the owner before the Swansea game, backing the manager, was for the benefit of the players, to pull their finger out and get behind the manager, but the performance and tactics against Swansea (and Southampton and Burnley and Everton and Chelsea and Millwall) was woeful.
They have spent the last 3 weeks in Leicester, at the club. Taking a closer look at what is going on. Looking at the changes Claudio has made to the back room staff (getting rid of certain people and bringing in others) and working out what they want the future to look like.
It's not a decision they would have taken lightly - they have demonstrated immense loyalty in the past. You only have to look at 2014/15 when Leicester were cut adrift at the bottom of the table. They stuck by Pearson then to get them out of that mess, BECAUSE everyone could see that the performances were there. They weren't getting hammered every week, were playing well and finally got a break and confidence flooded in, a belief that they could get results.
The performances at present are not there, they have been in a steady state of decline all season and it is the correct decision to NOT carry on doing the same thing over and again and expecting a different result. A change was/is needed.
Whether that change will bring about the desired affect only time will tell. I would have loved nothing more than to have seen Claudio guide us to safety and 17th position - and he may well have done that, BUT the signs were not pointing in that direction, we are in freefall.
If it weren't for us being in the champions league, I think he would have gone a few weeks ago, it was out of loyalty to Claudio that he was given that game.
FUTURE
As a life long Leicester fan, I am used to us being a yo-yo club, generally bobbing up and down between the top 2 divisions. But we have strong financial backing now from excellent owners who want to establish Leicester in the top flight.
I would be happy with mid table (7th-14th) each season and the occasional glory in the cup, whether that is EFL or FA cup.
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You should play mafia.
Actually no, no you shouldn't.
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I think you should play "Media" Rollo.
That was brilliatly produced and despite the length of it was straight to the point.
A brilliant review of the situation from the point of view of a Leicester City fan and a football fan.
Bravo !
Actually No, being a Man City fan No Bravo...... Please :)
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Quote ( David Rolleston @ February 25th 2017,14:28:34 ) Never paid any attention to what is required Sam or even how to play!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia_(party_game)
Quote ( David Rolleston @ February 25th 2017,12:49:29 ) - RECRUITMENT
From an outsider's perspective IMO this along with the lack of motivation players have had this season has been the reason for the position in the table. No new CBs bought, simpson is not that good defensively. Fuchs is prone to errors.
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