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Teema: [Mafia] Maintaining Law, Order and Shallow Relationships |
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Quote ( Davi Queiroz @ March 5th 2021,22:31:34 ) Quote ( Ivelin Dobrev @ March 5th 2021,22:31:00 )
Who?
Richard. Sorry, not quoting really hurts your understandings
OK, now I am confused. I didn't address Richard in any way in the last few posts.
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Sorry! I meant that post was for Richard.
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In like: Richard thought Cameron was not joking. So it has nothing to do with Ivelin :)
I really am screwing up my explanations :P
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Quote ( Davi Queiroz @ March 5th 2021,20:40:34 ) I do wish we had more content from Calum. And Mikko, not a word yet.
Yes and don't expect me to do much here, this looks extremely uninteresting because it's mafia. I will spend my limited free time prioritizing on other more fun games and GPRO itself. However as I know Kevin and how great host he is and does a splendid job on his hosted games, so I will try to play in respect to him. But I can't guarantee that I won't be in joke phase for my whole game ;)
Excellent thumbing of that post from someone too.
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No matter how newbie or dumb kind of play will you think of Richard's style of voting Cameron, that definitely comes out as a play towards saving his own ass.
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Why exactly would you say that?
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Quote ( Mikko Suhonen @ March 5th 2021,23:51:15 ) I can't guarantee that I won't be in joke phase for my whole game
That sounds like fun :)
Quote ( Davi Queiroz @ March 6th 2021,01:38:00 ) Why exactly would you say that?
Don't want to put words in Mikko's mouth here, but if Richard adds more votes to Cameron then he puts Cameron in further danger and by extension "saves his own ass." Tricky to work out if it was that or if just a) genuine noob bandwagoning or b) voting Cameron because, let's face it, it's fun to do :P
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Oh, ok. I asked because I genuinely couldn't understand :P
Thanks for clearing that.
I do think voting Cameron this early is not helpful (in the bandwagon sense of things). Putting pressure is fine, but since I fell like it won't change much in his behavior, it won't change much.
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My vote for Cameron was in part because I bandwagoned and in part as a joke.
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I mean...that's an interesting choice to express Richard. I've give you 3 options and for you to effectively say "It's both of the options that don't implicate me as scum" doesn't look great IMHO...
Keen to hear some other thoughts on that though (as in fairness, you were obvs never going to say the 3rd option that you were "trying to save your own ass"!).
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You didn't give me any options. That's just what happened. You're barking under the wrong tree.
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Quote ( Jonathan Beagles @ March 6th 2021,01:44:19 ) if Richard adds more votes to Cameron then he puts Cameron in further danger and by extension "saves his own ass." Tricky to work out if it was that or if just a) genuine noob bandwagoning or b) voting Cameron because, let's face it, it's fun to do :P
Those are options? Very defensive from you Richard...
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Quote ( Richard Robin Paukson @ March 6th 2021,17:10:38 ) Those are options? Very defensive from you Richard...
I was merely paraphrasing you.
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Quote ( Richard Robin Paukson @ March 6th 2021,18:46:35 ) I was merely paraphrasing you.
Huh?
Quote ( Richard Robin Paukson @ March 6th 2021,17:10:38 ) You didn't give me any options.
How is that paraphrasing me??? :S
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Quote ( Jonathan Beagles @ March 6th 2021,20:01:01 ) Quote ( Richard Robin Paukson @ March 6th 2021,17:10:38 )
You didn't give me any options.
How is that paraphrasing me??? :S
You're misunderstanding me. I used the word "option" because you used it. And in my sentence, the word "YOU" should be emphasized, not anything else.
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Quote ( Richard Robin Paukson @ March 5th 2021,22:04:21 ) Quote ( Cameron Halsall @ March 5th 2021,22:03:21 )
So you figured out your first vote was invalid but you put me on L-1 anyway?
It's my first time playing Mafia. Give me a break.
So what? Ignorance is no excuse. From the information you had available at the time you still voted for me. Then you quote Ivelin's post backing you up as if that somehow makes your point more valid. How do you know Ivelin isn't defending you just for the townie points?
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Quote ( Richard Robin Paukson @ March 5th 2021,22:05:04 ) In case anyone is wondering, I made the decision of unvoting Cameron before he started whining.
but not before you quoted Ivelin in #74. You have to realise the negative connotations of meeting the minimum requirement.
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Quote ( Richard Robin Paukson @ March 5th 2021,22:06:08 ) Quote ( Cameron Halsall @ March 5th 2021,22:05:10 )
You look like you're already needlessly defending yourself. You don't need to say "what he said" if you're town, it looks forced.
I really don't understand why you're attacking me. I've stated several times that I'm new to the game.
Because you're trying to pass off your irrational behaviour based off your inexperience and that's your only mode.
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Quote ( Jun Ho @ March 5th 2021,22:09:35 ) Quote ( Cameron Halsall @ March 5th 2021,22:05:57 )
I know it's already been mentioned but Jon's fake townslip is sus. Also don't feel that either Jun or Richard's attitudes have been authentic thus far.
What makes you think that? Please explain.
Pretty self explanatory but okay, sure. Why did you feel the need to tell Richard his vote was already invalid when Ahmet already did so? It really looks like you're coaching him which would make sense because of the no daytalk.
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Quote ( Davi Queiroz @ March 5th 2021,22:13:20 ) Quote ( Cameron Halsall @ March 5th 2021,22:00:15 )
Respectfully disagree. Jun's response could very well have an impact on the game.
What impact could it have? In your view of him responding, that is.
Quote ( Cameron Halsall @ March 5th 2021,22:00:15 )
I don't think you have to vote for someone to make a cordial point but the intention and purpose is the same as a joke vote.
Yes... but I just think it was unnecessary to continue in a conversation of something from a game in which he was just the host, if you want a real impact. But that's just my opinion, anyway.
We shall have to see. As I said, making a joke during the joke phase has its purpose despite not being directly eponymous. You don't have to vote to get people to react, and yet I find Jun's attitude to be suspicious because he doesn't want to have to defend his own conduct as host. That the subject matter concerns a past game isn't the point, now that Jun is being faced with talking about it means it proves an important litmus test.
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Quote ( Jonathan Beagles @ March 5th 2021,22:15:34 ) Quote ( Cameron Halsall @ March 5th 2021,22:05:57 )
Jon's fake townslip
Over a decade since I last played...just trying to figure things out mate. I do feel Richard's pain on this - presuming he isn't just playing dumb!
That may be so but it doesn't take a genius to realise that maybe you shouldn't put someone on L-1 having cast an invalid vote.
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Quote ( Ivelin Dobrev @ March 5th 2021,22:26:35 ) Quote ( Cameron Halsall @ March 5th 2021,22:04:19 )
Quote ( Ivelin Dobrev @ March 5th 2021,18:59:55 )
Also, getting rid of Cameron on D1 is not a bad town play.
You know that getting rid of me as a policy lynch hasn't worked yet and I doubt your motive for attempting it this time.
You know that it's a joke vote, right?
Yeah the vote was a joke vote, but then why follow it up by claiming it as not a bad town play? You genuinely seem to have wanted people to catch on to the idea.
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Quote ( Richard Robin Paukson @ March 5th 2021,22:29:11 ) Quote ( Davi Queiroz @ March 5th 2021,22:24:32 )
That was a joke vote Richard, Cameron's vote on Calum that is. The start of Mafia games have these normally.
I know it was a joke vote. I was assuming people were voting for him as a joke as well, but he didn't seem to get it either.
You didn't think it was a joke before so again you're just covering your ass. I'm more than adjusted to being the punching bag for joke votes. But when you put someone on L-1 you invite scum to hammer. That you did so after casting an invalid vote makes it worse because your actions cannot be explained by mere ignorance.
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Mikko, do you have any observations to make not concerning Richard's vote?
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Quote ( Richard Robin Paukson @ March 6th 2021,09:23:37 ) My vote for Cameron was in part because I bandwagoned and in part as a joke.
So either you didn't have any ideas for content of your own or you didn't see the severity of putting me on L-1. Either way it's sus.
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Quote ( Cameron Halsall @ March 6th 2021,20:53:39 ) Yeah the vote was a joke vote, but then why follow it up by claiming it as not a bad town play? You genuinely seem to have wanted people to catch on to the idea. Yes. Lynching you on D1 is never a bad idea.
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Quote ( Cameron Halsall @ March 6th 2021,20:51:14 ) I find Jun's attitude to be suspicious because he doesn't want to have to defend his own conduct as host.
I still think his hosting in prior games should not be used as means to evaluate whether he is suspicious by defending it, or not. I really don't see a point in this.
Quote ( Cameron Halsall @ March 6th 2021,20:51:14 ) now that Jun is being faced with talking about it means it proves an important litmus test.
For what reason exactly? What could we gain with him reacting to it?
For Richard: What do you think of Cameron now? Would you still keep your vote on him?
You've said you only voted for him because of the bandwagon, and to make a joke. Fine, but what about now? Because your defense has not been great, even if you are new to this game.
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Quote ( Ivelin Dobrev @ March 6th 2021,21:39:21 ) Yes. Lynching you on D1 is never a bad idea.
Your main lynch option is Cameron then?
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Quote ( Cameron Halsall @ March 6th 2021,20:56:41 ) Mikko, do you have any observations to make not concerning Richard's vote?
I do not. This whole first day (and even most of the remainder of this game afterwards) is mostly only about making mountains out of molehills and that's exceptionally against my Finnish brain and general liking.
To make some actual content: I can't see how it could be against the spirit of this game to ask people who/on what basis are they going to visit during the night (because a visiting role is the most likely role to have)? So if not, then on what basis are you going to visit someone, Cameron?
Quote ( Jonathan Beagles @ March 6th 2021,01:44:19 ) Don't want to put words in Mikko's mouth here
I guess you are - so I assume this is buddying noted ;D ...
Quote ( Jonathan Beagles @ March 6th 2021,01:44:19 ) , but if Richard adds more votes to Cameron then he puts Cameron in further danger and by extension "saves his own ass." Tricky to work out if it was that or if just a) genuine noob bandwagoning or b) voting Cameron because, let's face it, it's fun to do :P
... But you are also precisely correct on these words too, that definitely looks like Richard just trying to survive another day no matter whether he is town or mafia. However I would assume that option a) can only have a town-positive interpretation of it if Richard is a town player, so then there's the c) possibility of him being mafia too of course. Or maybe Jon already knows that he is not mafia.
Quote ( Davi Queiroz @ March 6th 2021,23:30:08 ) I still think his hosting in prior games should not be used as means to evaluate whether he is suspicious by defending it, or not. I really don't see a point in this.
I agree - if it was down to prior hosting translating into this game too, we wouldn't see Jun again after page 1, considering his record of finishing about 15% of the silly games he has started to host :D
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