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Quote ( Geir Pukk @ July 7th 2021,23:18:29 ) If it comes home like this, then can you actually feel good about it?
Quote ( Steve Dawson @ July 8th 2021,12:50:26 ) Surely you blokes aren't proud of the dive that resulted in the penalty that gave England the win?
I'd be too embarrassed to cheer too loudly.
Exactly, this is why I'm personally supporting Italy in the final, I can't possibly support a team that dives.
Funny that nobody mentions the Denmark freekick was soft like the penalty (imo neither were fouls) and the goal itself should have been disallowed due to attackers not being the required distance from the wall.
Also did Denmark not beat the Czech Republic by 1 goal, which came from a corner that was clearly not a corner (and the player knew it obviously) Surprised Denmark didn't just pull out of the tournament there and then for fair play and their fans should not have celebrated once seeing the replay.
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Quote ( Shaun Thornton @ July 8th 2021,15:12:27 ) Penalty went to VAR and was upheld.
Doesn't mean it was a good decision. Also, I believe most people probably hate England for its fans, not the players.
Quote ( Zé Pedro Paula @ July 8th 2021,19:27:56 ) They were in the beach and Yugoslavia broke apart or something like that, and they went to win it.
They were actually monitoring the situation in Yugoslavia. That's just an urban legend that arose later.
Quote ( Ethan Littlejohns @ July 8th 2021,21:41:24 ) Funny that nobody mentions the Denmark freekick was soft like the penalty (imo neither were fouls) and the goal itself should have been disallowed due to attackers not being the required distance from the wall.
Also did Denmark not beat the Czech Republic by 1 goal, which came from a corner that was clearly not a corner (and the player knew it obviously) Surprised Denmark didn't just pull out of the tournament there and then for fair play and their fans should not have celebrated once seeing the replay.
Neither of these were reviewable though. The reason people are angry about the pen was because it wasn't overturned by VAR. And scoring from a free kick or corner is significantly harder than from a penalty.
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Quote ( Ethan Littlejohns @ July 8th 2021,21:41:24 ) Quote ( Geir Pukk @ July 7th 2021,23:18:29 )
If it comes home like this, then can you actually feel good about it?
Quote ( Steve Dawson @ July 8th 2021,12:50:26 )
Surely you blokes aren't proud of the dive that resulted in the penalty that gave England the win?
I'd be too embarrassed to cheer too loudly.
Exactly, this is why I'm personally supporting Italy in the final, I can't possibly support a team that dives.
Funny that nobody mentions the Denmark freekick was soft like the penalty (imo neither were fouls) and the goal itself should have been disallowed due to attackers not being the required distance from the wall.
Also did Denmark not beat the Czech Republic by 1 goal, which came from a corner that was clearly not a corner (and the player knew it obviously) Surprised Denmark didn't just pull out of the tournament there and then for fair play and their fans should not have celebrated once seeing the replay.
To be honest, every game will have this kind of decision (the diving and writhing on the floor in agony from all sides when their feelings are hurt is one of the reasons I don't watch much footy)
Hand of God, anyone?
But if you have this Video review system, use it properly at least.
On the balance of play, England deserved the win and at least they tried to win it in normal time too. Denmark seemed way too passive, either playing for penalties or exhausted
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Quote ( Richard Robin Paukson @ July 8th 2021,22:25:38 ) Quote ( Shaun Thornton @ July 8th 2021,15:12:27 )
Penalty went to VAR and was upheld.
Doesn't mean it was a good decision. Also, I believe most people probably hate England for its fans, not the players
Well I'm sure the experts from VAR with help of video replay and the referee, are far more qualified to make that decision, rather than you or I.
That opinion differs to yours, so who's right?
I know where my money is.
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Quote ( Shaun Thornton @ July 8th 2021,22:40:28 ) Well I'm sure the experts from VAR with help of video replay and the referee, are far more qualified to make that decision, rather than you or I.
That opinion differs to yours, so who's right?
I know where my money is.
The question is, would you be saying the same thing if the roles were switched?
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I tell you what, if it was Estonia I wouldn’t even care.
So why you do over England is beyond me.
Then again Estonia getting to a Semi would need divine intervention.
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Quote ( Richard Robin Paukson @ July 8th 2021,22:43:59 ) Quote ( Shaun Thornton @ July 8th 2021,22:40:28 )
Well I'm sure the experts from VAR with help of video replay and the referee, are far more qualified to make that decision, rather than you or I.
That opinion differs to yours, so who's right?
I know where my money is.
The question is, would you be saying the same thing if the roles were switched?
The game should've been whistled off anyway already before the incident, since there was a second ball pretty much affecting the game.
The better team won, the way they won was shit.
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Quote ( Shaun Thornton @ July 8th 2021,22:47:24 ) I tell you what, if it was Estonia I wouldn’t even care.
So why you do over England is beyond me.
Then again Estonia getting to a Semi would need divine intervention.
I meant that if Denmark received a penalty instead of England...
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Quote ( Richard Robin Paukson @ July 8th 2021,22:25:38 )
Neither of these were reviewable though. The reason people are angry about the pen was because it wasn't overturned by VAR. And scoring from a free kick or corner is significantly harder than from a penalty.
Sure, but either way the goal shouldn't count so it's irrelevant. And if the goal was scored as a direct result of the decision, it doesn't matter whether it's harder to score from or not.
Quote ( Richard Robin Paukson @ July 8th 2021,23:10:21 ) I meant that if Denmark received a penalty instead of England
If this had happened, it would almost certainly not be talked about at all/celebrated and everyone would be praising Denmark for how they defended rather than call it a disgrace :)
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Quote ( Ethan Littlejohns @ July 8th 2021,23:21:24 ) Sure, but either way the goal shouldn't count so it's irrelevant. And if the goal was scored as a direct result of the decision, it doesn't matter whether it's harder to score from or not.
Scoring from a free kick or corner is significantly harder than from a penalty. False calls like this happen, and if VAR was made to stop those particular situations then it would've been given the power to intervene.
Quote ( Ethan Littlejohns @ July 8th 2021,23:21:24 ) If this had happened, it would almost certainly not be talked about at all/celebrated and everyone would be praising Denmark for how they defended rather than call it a disgrace :)
My question was directed specifically at Shaun. But as someone with no stake in this, it would have sucked to see either team winning with a goal like that.
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Quote ( Richard Robin Paukson @ July 8th 2021,23:10:21 ) Quote ( Shaun Thornton @ July 8th 2021,22:47:24 )
I tell you what, if it was Estonia I wouldn’t even care.
So why you do over England is beyond me.
Then again Estonia getting to a Semi would need divine intervention.
I meant that if Denmark received a penalty instead of England...
How can I comment, I’m obviously biased as my team is involved?
I’ll leave it to the experts.
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Quote ( Ethan Littlejohns @ July 8th 2021,21:41:24 )
Exactly, this is why I'm personally supporting Italy in the final, I can't possibly support a team that dives.
This is quite a contradiction, Italy have Cheato Immobile...
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Quote ( Jasper Coosemans @ July 8th 2021,23:47:06 ) How can I comment, I’m obviously biased as my team is involved?
I’ll leave it to the experts.
Not saying you are right or wrong, but you are obviously biased here as well, naturally! :P
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Quote ( Richard Robin Paukson @ July 8th 2021,22:25:38 ) Doesn't mean it was a good decision. Also, I believe most people probably hate England for its fans, not the players.
Quite understandable to be honest. Usually the players are quite dislikable too but the current group seem to be a decent bunch, as is the manager. Makes a nice change.
Personally I would have preferred England not to get that penalty, as it felt like they were going to score anyway and it would have felt a lot less lucky that way.
As for the VAR call, they've been told not to overrule unless they can be certain, and as much as I hate the expression "there was contact" as a desperate excuse for athletes falling over, ultimately from a VAR perspective that is a crucial element - you can only definitively say it was a dive if there was no contact at all. I was a bit puzzled that the referee wasn't asked to review on a monitor, but it seems they're not keen on doing that this time, perhaps for red card decisions only.
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Its coming home guys.
Dont be afraid. Its just will be home finally. After communists blockade for decades(lol)... Matured. Developed. And welcomed.
Italy can win the next World Football Championship.
But this one will stay home :)
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I swear to god, the amount of negativity you lot are giving England, it's like you don't care at all.
Quote ( Andrej Fülöp @ July 9th 2021,01:54:40 ) Its coming home guys.
Dont be afraid. Its just will be home finally. After communists blockade for decades(lol)... Matured. Developed. And welcomed.
Italy can win the next World Football Championship.
But this one will stay home :)
Finally, someone wants England to win as well!
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Quote ( Twig Fahaji @ July 9th 2021,01:15:34 ) As for the VAR call, they've been told not to overrule unless they can be certain, and as much as I hate the expression "there was contact" as a desperate excuse for athletes falling over, ultimately from a VAR perspective that is a crucial element - you can only definitively say it was a dive if there was no contact at all. I was a bit puzzled that the referee wasn't asked to review on a monitor, but it seems they're not keen on doing that this time, perhaps for red card decisions only.
Personally, I think if he stayed up from that first contact, the second contact would have been a stonewall penalty. He avoided the brunt of that second contact by allowing himself to fall on that initial contact.
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Odyssey continues.
Penelope keeps waiting.
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Ahahahahahahahaha! Nothing is coming home! Forza Azzurro!
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Can anyone change it to ''It's coming to Rome''?
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A well deserved title for our Italian friends !!
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You know what? Italy deserved the win tonight. They were the better team on the day, and on another night they win that in 90 minutes. After our fast start where we played some very nice stuff, we offered very little and looked a totally different team. Our last 3 penalties were also absolutely awful.
Congrats to all you Italians on GPRO, enjoy the victory!
What's not needed, however, is people with absolutely no affiliation to Italy whatsoever revelling in our disappointment 'because it's the English'. Just let us be disappointed without rubbing our noses in it. Thanks. ;)
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The gift of silver also shines beautifully.
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