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Topic: [Mafia] D5 - Revenge of the Werewolves |
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Quote ( Kirsty Ridley @ December 23rd 2015,15:40:15 ) I think it was wrong to play the way you chose, Jeremy. You are a lot of use as town. I thought I tunneled too much!
You intentionally implied you knew something. Thats crap for town IMO.
However, I did have a town feel for Sam from the start, only his vanishing under pressure started me wondering.
When Jeremy said what he did about last game, I was sure he knew something, and by that point I was wondering a lot about Sam. I did think Sam was scum, but I wasn't nearly as sure about Sam as I made it sound in the thread. But I really needed to know for sure. So, I here's what I came up with, knowing that there was probably a Tracker left in the game.
I decided to push Sam's lynch ridiculously hard, because I felt that if Sam was town, then scum would have been trying to get on Sam's wagon at some point, and with 3 scum left (all of which I thought, at the time, were werewolves), it would have just about seeled the game for them.
Unfortunately, the only remaining scum was a nearly lynched Freddie who was by himself for much of the game, an inactive slot until Alex took over and made it semi-active, and a SK. So, in retrospect, I see now why they didn't coordinate that. But, had they actually done it, I would have immediately pulled my pressure off Sam, and went to one of the ones who jumped on his wagon. Now, I still likely would have been lynched, but I would have explained myself before that, likely resulting in a scum lynch in the next day.
Yes, I did intentionally imply that I knew something. That's because if I hadn't been lynched, I wanted to make sure that I was the NK, so that the Tracker would survive. When I said that I wanted either Sam or me to be lynched, I really did mean it.
I said to Daryl, in D3, that I think supporting Sam's lynch, knowing that we were both town, was the best play tactically and now, seeing the outcome of the game, I am even more convinced of that.
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Jeremy that logic doesn't make sense to me :|
if you start a wagon & start posturing like you have implied knowledge then it isn't necessarily a scummy thing to do to join that wagon...
Also Scum could easily sit back & let the Sam lynch take place on it's own. They know he will flip town so let al of the town players who lynched him point the figure at each other
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Quote ( Phil Maunder @ December 23rd 2015,16:15:49 ) Scum could easily sit back & let the Sam lynch take place on it's own. They know he will flip town so let all of the town players who lynched him point the figure at each other
essentially what my plan was... but never quite worked out like that
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Quote ( Phil Maunder @ December 23rd 2015,16:15:49 ) Jeremy that logic doesn't make sense to me :|
if you start a wagon & start posturing like you have implied knowledge then it isn't necessarily a scummy thing to do to join that wagon...
Scum could easily sit back & let the Sam lynch take place on it's own. They know he will flip town so let al of the town players who lynched him point the figure at each other I wasn't really posturing like I had implied knowledge until much later in the day. In fact, it was only hours before the deadline. I switched my vote off Sam shortly after that.
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Good Game Everybody
I'm going to sound like Sudeep ( ;p ) but remember I called Alex and Ivelin as the remaining scum!
About my role, it was more a compulsive visitor than a fruit vendor, the difference is that you never knew I visited you, that was my insistence about having a shrink and no SK.
Just made a lot of people wander at night. I kind of expected a Watcher with this setup.
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Jeremy, I would like to point out that if you hadn't pushed exclusively for Sam, we probably would have lynched Freddie on Day 3 anyway.
My move onto Phil near the end was me trying to move the wagon from two Town reads to a Scum read. Would have been the wrong one (Should have continued pushing for Freddie, but still).
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Quote ( Phil Maunder @ December 23rd 2015,16:15:49 ) Jeremy that logic doesn't make sense to me :|
if you start a wagon & start posturing like you have implied knowledge then it isn't necessarily a scummy thing to do to join that wagon...
Also Scum could easily sit back & let the Sam lynch take place on it's own. They know he will flip town so let al of the town players who lynched him point the figure at each other
The implied knowledge, and my pushing Sam was really two different plays. Soft-claiming the implied knowledge was me trying to draw the NK, and I wouldn't have thought anyone scummy for moving to Sam after I made it plainly obvious that that was what I was claiming.
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I would say that Jeremy played badly this game, made too much noise focused on one person and that avoids any discussion or covers any other tracks in a lot of posts.
Similar to what happens with Sudeep that posts a lot but instead of tunneling just goes form one person to the other and fluffs the thread.
I normally have to catch up and come back and read hundreds of posts and goin gin circles or going nowhere just makes it more difficult to me
That is one of the reasons why I'm more active late in the game.
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Quote ( Tim-Oliver Wagner @ December 23rd 2015,16:22:56 ) Jeremy, I would like to point out that if you hadn't pushed exclusively for Sam, we probably would have lynched Freddie on Day 3 anyway. You're right, and the fact that my play essentially saved a scum lynch in D3 is the only thing that I regret about my play.
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Quote ( Eduardo Sanchez Carenzo @ December 23rd 2015,16:21:52 ) that was my insistence about having a shrink and no SK.
I thought I healed you because you were so sure I was town :P
Quote ( Phil Maunder @ December 23rd 2015,15:22:51 ) Well done Sam as well. I really did agree with you on Freddie :) made suspicious when you backed off it tho
Thanks. I'm pretty happy with my reads, just need to stop changing my mind so much :P
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Just remember in future games you can always trust me :P
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Quote ( Jeremy Davis @ December 23rd 2015,16:28:01 ) You're right, and the fact that my play essentially saved a scum lynch in D3 is the only thing that I regret about my play.
and if I had done what I should of and gone for Chew over Tim as my N3. would have setup a potential Phil lynch on D4 and that would have put town in real trouble!
So yeah Jeremy, for me your play was resolved by luck rather than skill IMO
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Quote ( Sam Wainwright @ December 23rd 2015,16:29:03 ) Thanks. I'm pretty happy with my reads, just need to stop changing my mind so much :P
Oh I hated you so much, literally I thought you had access to the evil QT or something because you were 100% right on every post I made, I wanted to NK you but you were a main topic of conversation for town so assumed you get lynched soon!
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Quote ( Kirsty Ridley @ December 23rd 2015,15:53:10 ) Sudeep, you would be a much better player if you shouted less, you often have good points and reads. but you are so insulting no one wants to listen, you were just as insulting in the QT after you were dead, so is it a personality thing rather than a mafia thing ? :P
It's defo a mafia thing as well, I'm not as aggressive and irritating otherwise
Quote ( Phil Maunder @ December 23rd 2015,16:10:59 ) It's because you just do everyone's head in :)
Going to play differently
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That would have been way too obvious Freddie :D
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Freddie you can't expect to stay alive if you say that you never moved during the night when the other guy is saying that they tracked you to a person who ended up dead.
You could have claimed anything with a NA, at least you would have some chance.
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Quote ( Eduardo Sanchez Carenzo @ December 23rd 2015,16:26:40 ) I would say that Jeremy played badly this game, made too much noise focused on one person and that avoids any discussion or covers any other tracks in a lot of posts.
Similar to what happens with Sudeep that posts a lot but instead of tunneling just goes form one person to the other and fluffs the thread.
I normally have to catch up and come back and read hundreds of posts and goin gin circles or going nowhere just makes it more difficult to me
That is one of the reasons why I'm more active late in the game. The only read I got right was that 1 out of Gary and Sam was scum, so I'm not going to argue, and say that I didn't play poorly.
However, I'm not going to apologize for how I went about it. I only wanted to lynch Sam, that's true, but to say that I was only focused Sam is simply not true. I put even more effort than I normally do in judging people's reactions, even if they were mostly wrong.
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Quote ( Freddie Higgs @ December 23rd 2015,16:31:45 ) Quote ( Jeremy Davis @ December 23rd 2015,16:28:01 )
You're right, and the fact that my play essentially saved a scum lynch in D3 is the only thing that I regret about my play.
and if I had done what I should of and gone for Chew over Tim as my N3. would have setup a potential Phil lynch on D4 and that would have put town in real trouble!
So yeah Jeremy, for me your play was resolved by luck rather than skill IMO Well, if you would have gotten lucky with your NK 3 nights in a row, then there was nothing I could really do about that, but I'm not claiming that I have some incredible amount of skill, or even that my play had any real impact on the outcome of the game. The only thing that I was sure of was that there was probably a Tracker in the game, and that neither Sam nor I were it, and I was trying to protect the role as best I could. It did work out that Chew found you immediately, but that had nothing at all to do with anything that I did.
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Quote ( Jeremy Davis @ December 23rd 2015,16:53:36 ) The only thing that I was sure of was that there was probably a Tracker in the game, and that neither Sam nor I were it, and I was trying to protect the role as best I could
Fair, I can believe that. And I wouldn't say that your play was bad either.
As scum I found it hard trying to figure out what your gameplay was.
Because obviously I knew that Sam was Psych, so knew you had no PR so couldn't figure out what your angle was.
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Quote ( Sam Wainwright @ December 23rd 2015,16:37:21 ) That would have been way too obvious Freddie :D
Not really, was one of the reasons that helped me pick Andy.
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Getting lynched is for good players, I just claim, don't get believed, and then survive anyway.
Andy was the right choice for the NK I felt. Rocco was a weird one if you didn't notice the slip though...
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Quote ( Sam Wainwright @ December 23rd 2015,17:05:43 ) Getting lynched is for good players, I just claim, don't get believed, and then survive anyway.
Andy was the right choice for the NK I felt. Rocco was a weird one if you didn't notice the slip though... lol two games in a row
I don't know what the hell was Gary thinking doing what he did on Day 2. If I was his buddy I don't know how I would have handled that. Probably would have asked to be replaced.
Fairplay to Freddie for continuing to play.
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Quote ( Freddie Higgs @ December 23rd 2015,16:59:00 ) Quote ( Jeremy Davis @ December 23rd 2015,16:53:36 )
The only thing that I was sure of was that there was probably a Tracker in the game, and that neither Sam nor I were it, and I was trying to protect the role as best I could
Fair, I can believe that. And I wouldn't say that your play was bad either.
As scum I found it hard trying to figure out what your gameplay was.
Because obviously I knew that Sam was Psych, so knew you had no PR so couldn't figure out what your angle was. I was counting on this, as well. I figured my play was elaborate enough that scum wouldn't see the trap, and would bite on the opportunity to lynch Sam to further incriminate me. I was fully ready to end the gambit at any time during D3, so very well played for making the right decision to stay away from it. I'm not sure I would have been able to resist it in your shoes.
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Sudeep,
If you got over your own ego you might be one of the best mafia players here..
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100% win record in Mafia! :D
Thanks Sam, if it wasn't you, I would have been lynched even before I wake up and come up with my prepared fake claim.
I thought about killing Sam last night, but then the odds that I had against me to win were very slim with Chew still in the game. Thought about killing Chew, but I was sure someone with a NA would notice. If I had the choice not to kill, I would have probably done that on that night.
So at the end I went for Kirsty as she was obviously town.
N1 I couldn't kill anyone.
N2 I killed Andy because he was putting pressure on everybody and I thought I'd end up being pressured as well
N3 I killed Daryl because I thought he was scum so then I can claim Vig if necessary. Obviously it didn't work. :)
I know I made mistakes this game, but I think I've learned a lot from that first game.
Btw, the hammering thing was a genuine newbie mistake, it wasn't on purpose.
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Quote ( Sam Wainwright @ December 23rd 2015,17:05:43 ) Andy was the right choice for the NK I felt. Quote ( Sudeep Pednekar @ December 23rd 2015,17:11:53 ) Fairplay for Freddie for continuing to play. Quote ( Jeremy Davis @ December 23rd 2015,17:15:17 ) so very well played for making the right decision to stay away from it. I'm not sure I would have been able to resist it in your shoes.
3 compliments in a row! Just need Kirsty now! ;)
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Quote ( Ivelin Dobrev @ December 23rd 2015,17:17:34 ) Btw, the hammering thing was a genuine newbie mistake, it wasn't on purpose.
I think everyone knew that, people were just looking for anything!
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Quote ( Ivelin Dobrev @ December 23rd 2015,17:17:34 ) Btw, the hammering thing was a genuine newbie mistake, it wasn't on purpose. The hammering thing wasn't nearly as big of a deal as it was made out to be.
Yes, under normal circumstances, hammering so early in the game day is very much frowned upon, because town loses a lot of time which could result in learning new things. However, a scum claim is definitely not normal circumstances, and even though the thread was still pretty alive, I think everyone (except Eduardo) had talked about it at the time of your hammer.
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Quote ( Freddie Higgs @ December 23rd 2015,17:17:55 ) 3 compliments in a row! Just need Kirsty now! ;)
HAHA not a chance :P
But yeah, good to see more positive comments with the criticism, it makes all the difference.,
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Quote ( Rocco Stallone @ December 23rd 2015,17:16:55 ) Sudeep,
If you got over your own ego you might be one of the best mafia players here..
I will try :)
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