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Topic: [MAFIA] Rocky Horror Mafia [TOWN WIN] |
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Well played Janne, , met your wincon can't ask for more
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Quote ( Tim Wagner @ September 14th 2017,12:11:53 ) Think the punishment for not having a vote down was too lowly. Got easily taken down by just voting and unvoting two people in a post. Really think should have lost the ability for a day/night.
Yes I am inclined to agree with you there
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Quote ( Jasper Coosemans @ September 14th 2017,12:27:36 ) And the way the rules are written, you did break activity rules at that time. It turned out Riley applied the rule differently (not 2 posts per 24 hours as written in the rules, but 2 posts per day whereby a day is defined by the GPRO clock regardless of the time zone the user is in) so you were not in breach, but I stand by my argument. Yeah, that was really the only way I could do it and keep track of it
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Quote ( Kevin Parkinson @ September 14th 2017,12:31:40 ) He was in breach - the mod is mistaken if he's interpreted the rule that way. The rule is in black and white (well, white on blue) and it doesn't specify a calendar day, it says a 24 hour period. If someone runs a game and wants it to be refer to a real life day, then the rules should state as such. As they are currently written (and intended to be interpreted, as it is copied from my rule set :p), it is any 24 hour period :) Fair enough - it was my intrepretation
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Quote ( Tim Wagner @ September 14th 2017,12:59:42 ) Also think Janne should have left the game after winning as Lyncher. He won, so after that anything was just bonus to him ;p It was a bit of a bonus for him to become Survivor as his win as a Lyncher was made dificult
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It was indeed, but as soon as the difficult wincon has been fulfilled it doesn't matter anymore that is was difficult. :P I think it could have hurt town badly, him playing on. And indeed we nearly did mislynch him on D6.
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I like the idea of him having a backup wincon if he failed to get Gareth lynched. But agree with Jasper that it's moot once he's achieveved his win and best to remove.
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In other news, how impressive a win for me - all without making a single post in the game thread with my new alignment /o\
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Quote ( Riley Dunlop @ September 14th 2017,07:37:45 ) Quote ( Jasper Coosemans @ September 14th 2017,03:04:41 )
I'm surprised that scum did not know about Kevin. What is the point of calling someone mafia if the faction don't know him, and he doesn't know the faction?
There were a few reasons that I decided to do it that way:
- Mafia knew there was a another one of them but did not know who and with possible SK around and other alignment changes in the offing I thought it would be better for them to have uncertainty about who they could "work with"
- Kevin was going to swap from mafia to town when he died and if scum knew who he was and he did not die, he would immediately become a target for them
- personally I was interested to see if mafia could work it out and if the role could work out who his mafia team were and if they could start working together This ended up being bad for us as town thought we knew about Kevin and we couldn't say the opposite, so we had to deal with it. For example when I was being accused for protecting Kevin.
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Quote ( Jasper Coosemans @ September 14th 2017,03:04:41 ) Rocco's role, what a monster... Strong hider + 1-shot bp? That's basically unkillable. ^^ So was Joel.
Once again, how did town not see how obvious scum he was?
Eduardo, Tim, Jasper, Janne, you didn't ask yourselves how likely is it for town to have 1 doc and another potential one?
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Quote ( Michael Monaco @ September 14th 2017,05:58:37 ) I must admit tho, that Ivelin had me completely fooled. He was my #1 town. Well, that was my job. :P
I think everybody believed me (until the Stuart result obviously) except Jasper.
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Quote ( Riley Dunlop @ September 14th 2017,07:52:50 ) People tend to overthink things a lot I think I mentioned it a few times in the QT :P
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Quote ( Kevin Parkinson @ September 14th 2017,11:46:55 ) What really throw me was the "guilty" cop result I received - all traitor roles I've used or played with generally return an "innocent" result when not recruited and only return "guilty" if investigated once recruited. But then I wan't a standard traitor (and apparently a "normal" traitor doesn't work that way, just what I've experienced). But you were not a traitor. :P
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Quote ( Janne Väänänen @ September 14th 2017,12:03:17 ) lol seems like mods need to set a post restriction to mafia qt in future games, or alternatively not allow Ahmet and Ivelin in them together anymore. They appear to break after 1000 posts and no longer show all messages. Yeah it was annoying for us too. Maybe next time we can have a new QT once we reach 1000 posts. :D
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Quote ( Tim Wagner @ September 14th 2017,12:11:53 ) Ivelin maybe should have just claimed what Stuart was, go for the Townie credits (because he would bus not just Stuart, but Ahmet with him). I'd fallen for that. I didn't know what Stuart was. :P
I was looking for his role and Taylor was the closest, but a Taylor is not a Lawyer and a Framer at the same time.
If Stuart was modkilled earlier, I would have probably given my actual Michael result or given a result on Ahmet (either Nurse or FBI Agent).
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Quote ( Jasper Coosemans @ September 14th 2017,12:44:31 ) Actually whether Ahmet was in breach or not is only a sidenote to the discussion. Whether it was 24 hours since his last two posts or 22 doesn't matter, the fact was he was reading but not contributing, i.e. lurking. At the very moment when he was getting accused of being scum. I don't regret pointing that out and I would do it again. What I said in thread at the time is also true, I wasn't just defending Ahmet. That's how I play most of the time. I read and I post later. I don't see that as indicative of alignment.
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Quote ( Ivelin Dobrev @ September 14th 2017,17:38:32 ) Quote ( Jasper Coosemans @ September 14th 2017,03:04:41 )
Rocco's role, what a monster... Strong hider + 1-shot bp? That's basically unkillable. ^^ So was Joel.
Once again, how did town not see how obvious scum he was?
Eduardo, Tim, Jasper, Janne, you didn't ask yourselves how likely is it for town to have 1 doc and another potential one? When did we find out about the doc? Not sure when this "not see how obvious scum he was" took place.
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Quote ( Jasper Coosemans @ September 14th 2017,18:08:41 ) When did we find out about the doc? When Michael flipped. That's why we were expecting Joel to be switched instead of me.
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What is there such a huge belief that because there is a role in play that there can not be another person with the same role? Naturally, it will make the possibility of another role less likely, but it should never be ruled out. (Hence why my role effectively being a "doc plus" made me cast further suspicion on Joel's claim - that and I wanted him lynch regardless of him being lying scum or town doc - both were good outcomes for me for different reasons at the time :p).
I remember a game when I gave town two trackers and they managers to lynch them both while arguing over which one was the "real" tracker, and in fact they both were.
Also, when it comes to docs (or cops) there are multiple variations or sanities which means that it is actually pretty common to have more than one in a larger game.
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Quote ( Ivelin Dobrev @ September 14th 2017,17:55:33 ) What I said in thread at the time is also true, I wasn't just defending Ahmet. That's how I play most of the time. I read and I post later. I don't see that as indicative of alignment. You read for 24 hours and then comment? BS ;)
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Quote ( Jasper Coosemans @ September 14th 2017,18:21:25 ) Quote ( Ivelin Dobrev @ September 14th 2017,17:55:33 )
What I said in thread at the time is also true, I wasn't just defending Ahmet. That's how I play most of the time. I read and I post later. I don't see that as indicative of alignment. You read for 24 hours and then comment? BS ;) A typical day. I wake up. I post finish in F1FG. I check the mafia thread and read the new posts. I check SRS results. I check Onur's game and post something. I get up. I go to school. Then I go to work. Then I have time to post. If I don't work, I go out with friends or spend time with family - no time to post. I am tired and go to sleep. The next morning I have time to post.
I believe it happened to me once in this game when I wrote 20 consecutive posts and Ahmet did the same a few times.
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Quote ( Kevin Parkinson @ September 14th 2017,18:20:47 ) I remember a game when I gave town two trackers and they managers to lynch them both while arguing over which one was the "real" tracker, and in fact they both were.
In fact, one was lynched and then the other counter-claiming one was killed by town vig that night.
Was a good game, IIRC, if plagued by poor town play :)
/gb/forum/ViewTopic.asp?TopicId=21934&PostId=2809814#post2809814
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Quote ( Ivelin Dobrev @ September 14th 2017,18:14:37 ) When Michael flipped. That's why we were expecting Joel to be switched instead of me. So, after Michael flipped, the streak of kills was Janne - TP Ivelin - mafia Ahmet - mafia Joel - mafia
Don't you think that's pretty decent for a town that "does not see how obvious scum" someone is? You lost, Eduardo got you, deal with it...
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Quote ( Jasper Coosemans @ September 14th 2017,18:31:43 ) Quote ( Ivelin Dobrev @ September 14th 2017,18:14:37 )
When Michael flipped. That's why we were expecting Joel to be switched instead of me. So, after Michael flipped, the streak of kills was Janne - TP Ivelin - mafia Ahmet - mafia Joel - mafia
Don't you think that's pretty decent for a town that "does not see how obvious scum" someone is? You lost, Eduardo got you, deal with it... Lol, I know and I already said I regret not analyzing your view of Joel. For us (as you have read in the Mafia QT) Joel was far more obvious scum than me. And that was our mistake. I was just wondering about what made Joel less obvious scum than me in your eyes. :)
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Joel was claimed scum - of course he was scum. Do you mean "obvious mafia"? :) Confusing the two terms is confusing lol
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Quote ( Kevin Parkinson @ September 14th 2017,18:38:57 ) Joel was claimed scum - of course he was scum. Do you mean "obvious mafia"? :) Confusing the two terms is confusing lol Yeah, obvious Mafia. His claim was not believable, I didn't think it would work that well :P
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Kevin-Full disclosure,I just really really really really really....really really wanted to kill you one time in a game of mafia,then when you didn't die,I figured you were bad. I had never seen someone not die after being voted.
Jasper-Thank you man, Time was such a challenge for me this game. Had a family thing brew up,and with all these new phone launches I had been swamped at work which is where I usually get most of my good time in.
Town- Nice win Scum-Good game guys,you all played well. Ivelin had me wayyy fooled too.
Riley- thank you for the game and your patience with my lack of activity.
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Quote ( Rocco Stallone @ September 14th 2017,18:41:57 ) I just really really really really really....really really wanted to kill you one time in a game of mafia
I figured that bit :p
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Quote ( Ivelin Dobrev @ September 14th 2017,18:41:39 ) Yeah, obvious Mafia. His claim was not believable, I didn't think it would work that well :P
I concur - a 3rd party doc survivor is nonsense. Once he claimed survivor, it was obvious he was either mafia, or a different TP role altogether (clearly I had suspicions way before the survivor part of his claim lol). It makes no sense to have a survivor with a doc ability.
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Quote ( Rocco Stallone @ September 14th 2017,18:41:57 ) I had never seen someone not die after being voted. Someone can be lynchproof, town or scum. :)
Quote ( Rocco Stallone @ September 14th 2017,18:41:57 ) Ivelin had me wayyy fooled too. Thanks, All my hunting on you was genuine, I actually thought you were the SK Ahmet was looking for. When you said you got another kill, I just thought you were lying and you had that kill all along.
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