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#31 posted May 14th 2019, 21:16:08
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Hi Harno,
I did check my points, and they are correct except in stage 1. You didn't give points for the most combatif driver in stage 1, and it was Roglic who won those points that day. And the most combatif in stages two and three are wrong.
Combattività di tappa :
stage 1 : Roglic
stage 2 : Cima , and no Ciccone.
stage 3 : Demare , and no Hatsuyama.
stage 4 : Cima
http://www.giroditalia.it/it/classifiche/?tpp=58137
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#32 posted May 14th 2019, 23:18:57 (last edited May 14th 2019, 23:24:34 by Harno Lé)
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1- Carapaz (+100)
2- Ewan (+75)
3- Ulissi (+60)
4- Ackermann (+50)
5- Sénéchal (+40)
6- Roglic (+30)
7- Conti (+20)
8- Lopez (+15)
9- Demarre (+10)
10- Yates (+5)
Sprint :
1-Cima (+30)
2- Fraporti (+20)
3- Mestri (+10)
1. Maestri (+30)
2. Cima : (+20)
3. Frapporti : (+10)
Mountain :
1. Frapporti : (+30)
2. Maestri : (+20)
3. Cima : (+10)
Best combatif : Cima (+50)
Rosa : Roglic (+25)
Ciclamen : (+25)
Azzurro : (+25)
Bianco : (+25)
Classement stage :
Damien Heuvel 310
Upeo Unaozidi 305
József Györfi 290
Harno Lé 270
Dimitri Van Leent 230
Pascal Baumbauer 210
Mikko Suhonen 185
Kuba Szajbel 150
Mairo Toom 145
Ben Harris : 140
Michał Ferenc 130
Rainer Bõkov 130
Quentin Rieg 115
Mauro Pisani 105
Tibor Szuromi 85
Mark Witney 80
Moisés Cunha 80
William Marzi 75
John Ibbotson 10
Classement générale :
1100 Damien Heuvel
1055 József Györfi
1050 Kuba Szajbel
1025 Upeo Unaozidi
950 Quentin Rieg
925 Harno Lé
885 Ben harris
915 Pascal Baumbauer
875 Rainer Bõkov
855 Mikko Suhonen
830 Michał Ferenc
750 Mairo Toom
725 Dimitri Van Leent
720 Mauro Pisani
690 Tibor Szuromi
640 Moisés Cunha
590 William Marzi
450 John Ibbotson
380 Mark Witney
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#33 posted May 14th 2019, 23:21:41
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Must watch me, we never know ^^
I changed for Quentin and +50 to Roglic and Demarre, Thanks Upeo ;)
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#34 posted May 14th 2019, 23:31:50
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Quote ( Harno Lé @ May 14th 2019,23:21:41 ) Must watch me, we never know ^^
I changed for Quentin and +50 to Roglic and Demarre, Thanks Upeo ;)
You're welcome, and thank you for this fun competition. :)
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Speaking of which, last stage
Kuba Szajbel 150
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4- Ackermann (+50)
6- Roglic (+30)
8- Lopez (+15)
9- Demarre (+10)
Rosa : Roglic (+25)
Ciclamen :Ackermann (+25)
Bianco : Lopez (+25)
= 180
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#36 posted May 15th 2019, 08:03:34
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Yes !! La MAGLIA ROSA 😁😎🎉
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#37 posted May 15th 2019, 08:35:13
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Shit, shit, shit no maglia rosa for me. The calculations are wrong 😭😢😢
Stage 1 :
Roglic = 100 + 50 + 25 + 25 + 20 = 220
Yates = 75 + 10 = 85
Hart = 20
Total = 325
Stage 2 :
Roglic = 25
Viviani = 75
Ackermann = 100 + 25 = 125
Ewan = 60
Total = 285
Stage 3 :
Roglic = 25
Ackermann = 60
Total = 85
Stage 4 :
Roglic = 30 + 25 = 55
Yates = 5
Ewan = 75
Ackermann = 50 + 25 = 75
Carapaz = 100
Total = 310
325 + 285 + 85 + 310 = 1005.
I don't want the pink jersey if it ain't realy mine. 😔
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#38 posted May 15th 2019, 08:38:35
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Maybe it is better to check all the scores all over because I noticed some more errors already. If you want some help Harno, just say so. 👍✌
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#39 posted May 15th 2019, 09:58:19
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Quote ( Damien Heuvel @ May 15th 2019,08:38:35 ) Maybe it is better to check all the scores all over because I noticed some more errors already. If you want some help Harno, just say so. 👍✌
Yes, it is no problem to help Harno of course.
I checked all the results of stage 1 already, except those of Moisés Cunha because I don't know his CORRECT team. In the team Moisés Cunha placed here he did have three leaders.
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#40 posted May 15th 2019, 10:28:40
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STAGE 1 :
1- P. Roglic (+100)
2- S.Yates (+75)
3- V. Nibali (+60)
4- M.A. Lopez (+50)
5- T. Dumoulin (+40)
6- R. Majka (+30)
7- T. Geoghegan Hart (+20)
8- L.De Plus (+15)
9- B. Mollema (+10)
10- D. Caruso (+5)
Rosa Jersey : Roglic (+25)
Ciclamen Jersey : Roglic (+25)
Azzuro Jersey : Ciccone ( +25)
Bianco Jersey : Lopez (+25)
Most combatif : Roglic (+50)
Moutain :
1. Giulio Ciccone (30)
2. Primoz Roglic (20)
3. Simon Yates (10)
STAGE AND OVERALL CLASSIFICATION :
335- Quentin Rieg
335- Pascal Baumbauer
325- Mauro Pisani
325- Kuba Szajbel
325- Damien Heuvel
310- Dimitri Van Leent
295- Harno Lé
290- Michał Ferenc
280- József Györfi
260- Rainer Bõkov
260- Ben Harris
260- Upeo Unaozidi
175- William Marzi
155- Mark Witney
150- John Ibbotson
145- Mikko Suhonen
130- Tibor Szuromi
130- Mairo Toom
?- Moisés Cunha
STAGE WINNERS :
1. Quentin Rieg & Pascal Baumbauer
PINK JERSEY :
1. Quentin Rieg & Pascal Baumbauer
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#41 posted May 15th 2019, 11:09:22
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STAGE 2 :
1- Ackermann (+100)
2- Viviani (+75)
3- Ewan (+60)
4- Gaviria (+50)
5- Demarre (+40)
6- Cimolai (+30)
7- Kuznetsov (+20)
8- De Buyst (+15)
9- Sbaragli (+10)
10- Selig (+5)
Rosa Jersey : Roglic (+25)
Ciclamen Jersey : Ackermann (+25)
Azzurro Jersey : Ciccone (+25)
Bianco : Lopez (+25)
Most combatif : Cima (+50)
sprint :
1. Damiano Cima (+30)
2. Mirco Maestri (+ 20)
3. Marco Frapporti (+ 10)
1. Marco Frapporti (+ 30)
2. Damiano Cima (+20)
3. Mirco Maestri (+ 10)
Mountain:
1. Giulio Ciccone (+ 30)
2. François Bridard (+ 20)
3. Lukasz Owsian (+ 10)
1. Giulio Ciccone (+ 30)
2. François Bridard (+ 20)
3. Lukasz Owsian (+10)
STAGE CLASSIFICATION :
310 - Damien Heuvel
310 - Pascal Baumbauer
290 - Kuba Szajbel
275 - Ben Harris
275 - Quentin Rieg
275 - József Györfi
275 - Rainer Bõkov
265 - Mikko Suhonen
260 - Upeo Unaozidi
250 - Harno Lé
240 - Mairo Toom
240 - Tibor Szuromi
225 - Michał Ferenc
175 - Mark Witney
165 - Mauro Pisani
160 - Dimitri Van Leent
115 - William Marzi
115 - John Ibbotson
? - Moisés Cunha
OVERALL CLASSIFICATION AFTER 2 STAGES :
645 - Pascal Baumbauer
635 - Damien Heuvel
615 - Kuba Szajbel
610 - Quentin Rieg
555 - József Györfi
545 - Harno Lé
535 - Ben harris
535 - Rainer Bõkov
520 - Upeo Unaozidi
515 - Michał Ferenc
490 - Mauro Pisani
470 - Dimitri Van Leent
370 - Mikko Suhonen
370 - Mairo Toom
370 - Tibor Szuromi
330 - Mark Witney
290 - William Marzi
265 - John Ibbotson
? - Moisés Cunha
STAGE WINNERS :
1. Quentin Rieg & Pascal Baumbauer
2. Pascal Baumbauer & Damien Heuvel
PINK JERSEY :
1. Quentin Rieg & Pascal Baumbauer
2. Pascal Baumbauer
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#42 posted May 15th 2019, 12:00:46
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STAGE 3 :
1- Gaviria (+100)
2- Demarre (+75)
3- Ackermann (+60)
4- Moschetti (50)
5- Nizzolo (+40)
6- Mareczko (+30)
7- Cimolai (+20)
8- Belletti (+15)
9- Knees (+10)
10- Modolo (+5)
Sprint :
1- Demarre (+30)
2- Schwarzmann (+20)
3- Scotson (+10)
1-Hatsuyama (+30)
2- Demarre (+20)
3- Guarnieri (+10)
Mountain :
1- Ciccone (+30)
2- Bouwman (+20)
3- Mertens (+10)
Most combatif : Demare (+50)
Rosa : Roglic ( +25)
Ciclamen : Gaviria (+25)
Azzurro : Ciccone (+25)
Bianco : Lopez (+25)
STAGE CLASSIFICATION :
285 - Kuba Szajbel
260 - Mikko Suhonen
235 - Tibor Szuromi
235 - Mairo Toom
225 - Mauro Pisani
210 - Rainer Bõkov
210 - Ben Harris
210 - Quentin Rieg
210 - József Györfi
210 - Upeo Unaozidi
175 - William Marzi
175 - John Ibbotson
110 - Harno Lé
85 - Damien Heuvel
85 - Pascal Baumbauer
85 - Michał Ferenc
25 - Dimitri Van Leent
0 - Mark Witney
? - Moisés Cunha
CLASSIFICATION AFTER 3 STAGES :
900 - Kuba Szajbel
820 - Quentin Rieg
765 - József Györfi
745 - Ben Harris
745 - Rainer Bõkov
730 - Upeo Unaozidi
730 - Pascal Baumbauer
720 - Damien Heuvel
715 - Mauro Pisani
670 - Mikko Suhonen
655 - Harno Lé
605 - Mairo Toom
605 - Tibor Szuromi
600 - Michał Ferenc
495 - Dimitri Van Leent
465 - William Marzi
440 - John Ibbotson
330 - Mark Witney
? - Moisés Cunha
STAGE WINNERS :
1. Quentin Rieg & Pascal Baumbauer
2. Pascal Baumbauer & Damien Heuvel
3. Kuba Szajbel
PINK JERSEY :
1. Quentin Rieg & Pascal Baumbauer
2. Pascal Baumbauer
3. Kuba Szajbel
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STAGE 4 :
1- Carapaz (+100)
2- Ewan (+75)
3- Ulissi (+60)
4- Ackermann (+50)
5- Sénéchal (+40)
6- Roglic (+30)
7- Conti (+20)
8- Lopez (+15)
9- Demarre (+10)
10- Yates (+5)
Sprint :
1-Cima (+30)
2- Fraporti (+20)
3- Mestri (+10)
1. Maestri (+30)
2. Cima : (+20)
3. Frapporti : (+10)
Mountain :
1. Frapporti : (+30)
2. Maestri : (+20)
3. Cima : (+10)
Best combatif : Cima (+50)
Rosa : Roglic (+25)
Ciclamen : Ackermann (+25)
Azzurro : Ciccone (+25)
Bianco : Lopez (+25)
STAGE CLASSIFICATION :
310 - Damien Heuvel
305 - Upeo Unaozidi
290 - József Györfi
270 - Harno Lé
230 - Dimitri Van Leent
210 - Pascal Baumbauer
185 - Mikko Suhonen
180 - Kuba Szajbel
160 - Ben Harris
145 - Mairo Toom
135 - Quentin Rieg
130 - Michał Ferenc
130 - Rainer Bõkov
105 - Mauro Pisani
85 - Tibor Szuromi
80 - Mark Witney
75 - William Marzi
10 - John Ibbotson
? - Moisés Cunha
CLASSIFCATION AFTER 4 STAGES :
1080 - Kuba Szajbel
1055 - József Györfi
1035 - Upeo Unaozidi
1005 - Damien Heuvel
955 - Quentin Rieg
925 - Harno Lé
915 - Pascal Baumbauer
905 - Ben Harris
875 - Rainer Bõkov
855 - Mikko Suhonen
820 - Mauro Pisani
750 - Mairo Toom
730 - Michał Ferenc
725 - Dimitri Van Leent
690 - Tibor Szuromi
540 - William Marzi
450 - John Ibbotson
410 - Mark Witney
? - Moisés Cunha
STAGE WINNERS :
1. Quentin Rieg & Pascal Baumbauer
2. Kuba Szajbel
3. Kuba Szajbel
4. Damien Heuvel
PINK JERSEY :
1. Quentin Rieg & Pascal Baumbauer
2. Pascal Baumbauer
3. Kuba Szajbel
4. Kuba Szajbel
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Everything is checked and double checked now. All results are correct, if managers are not sure just ask me I do have all the individual results from each manager in each stage on paper.
I just mis the results from manager Moisés Cunha, because I don't know his exact team.
Good luck today everybody. :)
P.S Stage two winner is Kuba Szajbel of course. After checking everything for a third time, I did see that I also made a little mistake. Baumbauer and Heuvel did receive 25 points to much. So I will adapt the scores in the results of stage 4.
Sorry my mistake.
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#45 posted May 15th 2019, 13:28:19 (last edited May 15th 2019, 13:37:39 by Harno Lé)
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Thanks :)
Quote ( Upeo Unaozidi @ May 15th 2019,12:38:51 ) Everything is checked and double checked now. All results are correct, if managers are not sure just ask me I do have all the individual results from each manager in each stage on paper.
I began to be afraid of having done more ^^
I calculate with my head ( and it's boring, there are numbers everywhere :D ) , I try to do the best, but watch your result to be sure.
For Moisés Cunha, 7 guys, I excluded Zakarin.
And for Marc Whitney, he played after the 1 stage, I gave him the score of the last one (to be fair as he knew the result, and not to be too far).
Yes i'm not strict ah ah it's for fun :)
Thanks for all !
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Quote ( Harno Lé @ May 15th 2019,13:28:19 ) Thanks :)
Quote ( Upeo Unaozidi @ May 15th 2019,12:38:51 )
Everything is checked and double checked now. All results are correct, if managers are not sure just ask me I do have all the individual results from each manager in each stage on paper.
I began to be afraid of having done more ^^
I calculate with my head ( and it's boring, there are numbers everywhere :D ) , I try to do the best, but watch your result to be sure.
For Moisés Cunha, 7 guys, I excluded Zakarin.
And for Marc Whitney, he played after the 1 stage, I gave him the score of the last one (to be fair as he knew the result, and not to be too far).
Yes i'm not strict ah ah it's for fun :)
Thanks for all !
Pas de problème Harno, c'est qu'un jeux comme tu dis. J'ai controles toutes les resultats moi aussi, et ils sont juste maintenant.
Merci Harno et Upeo. 😊👍✌
By the way Tom Dumoulin did start today but decided not to go further after a few km. So people can switch him for another cyclist for tomorrow's stage and the rest of the Giro of course.
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#47 posted May 15th 2019, 15:46:35
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#48 posted May 15th 2019, 17:15:23
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I'd like to swap Dumoulin for Lopez from tomorrow on.
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No Dumoulin in my team so no changes.
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Ah, hang down your head Tom Duumouleen. Let's change:
Out:
191 DUMOULIN Tom Netherlands
In:
171 ROGLIC Primoz Slovenia
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Btw, good job with our standings!
Quote ( Harno Lé @ May 15th 2019,13:28:19 ) For Moisés Cunha, 7 guys, I excluded Zakarin.
Well from now on he can also change Dumoulin to some non-leader, so probably not necessary to exclude any more guys from him on next stage onwards. That is, if he manages to pick a non-leader :)
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#51 posted May 15th 2019, 21:31:23
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Quote ( Mikko Suhonen @ May 15th 2019,19:15:33 ) Quote ( Harno Lé @ May 15th 2019,13:28:19 )For Moisés Cunha, 7 guys, I excluded Zakarin. Well from now on he can also change Dumoulin to some non-leader, so probably not necessary to exclude any more guys from him on next stage onwards. That is, if he manages to pick a non-leader :)
I wrote mr. Cunha this afternoon, and he wanted the excluded Zakarin to be replaced by Marezcko from tomorrow on.
MANAGERS DON'T FORGET TO REPLACE DUMOULIN, otherwise you will start with only 7 riders tomorrow. Please make your changes before the start of tomorrows stage, which will start at 11:25 CET.
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#52 posted May 15th 2019, 21:57:41
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#53 posted May 15th 2019, 22:10:03
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Dumoulin OUT, LÓPEZ MORENO Miguel Ángel IN
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#54 posted May 15th 2019, 22:29:25
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STAGE 5 :
1- Ackermann (+100)
2- Gaviria (+75)
3- Demare (+60)
4- Ewan (+50)
5- Moschetti (+40)
6- Gibbons (+30)
7- Simion (+20)
8- Biermans (+15)
9- Lonardi (+10)
10- Bellettti (+5)
Sprint :
1- Barbin (+30)
2- Vervaeke (+20)
3- Florez Lopez (+10)
1- Barbin (+30)
2- Santaromita (+20)
3- Orsini (+10)
Mountain :
1- Vervaeke (+30)
2- Santaromita (+20)
3- Barbin (+10)
Most combatif : Barbin (+50)
Rosa : Roglic (+25)
Ciclamen : Ackermann (+25)
Azzurro : Ciccone (+25)
Bianco : Lopez Moreno (+25)
STAGE CLASSIFICATION :
275 - Upeo Unaozidi
235 - Kuba Szajbel
225 - Ben Harris
225 - József Györfi
225 - Quentin Rieg
225 - Rainer Bõkov
210 - Mikko Suhonen
200 - Damien Heuvel
200 - Pascal Baumbauer
200 - Moisés Cunha
185 - Mairo Toom
185 - Tibor Szuromi
175 - Harno Lé
150 - Michał Ferenc
110 - Mauro Pisani
75 - Dimitri Van Leent
75 - Mark Witney
60 - William Marzi
60 - John Ibbotson
CLASSIFCATION AFTER 4 STAGES :
1315 - Kuba Szajbel
1310 - Upeo Unaozidi
1280 - József Györfi
1205 - Damien Heuvel
1180 - Quentin Rieg
1130 - Ben Harris
1115 - Pascal Baumbauer
1100 - Harno Lé
1100 - Rainer Bõkov
1065 - Mikko Suhonen
935 - Mairo Toom
930 - Mauro Pisani
880 - Michał Ferenc
875 - Tibor Szuromi
840 - Moisés Cunha
800 - Dimitri Van Leent
600 - William Marzi
510 - John Ibbotson
485 - Mark Witney
STAGE WINNERS :
1. Quentin Rieg & Pascal Baumbauer
2. Kuba Szajbel
3. Kuba Szajbel
4. Damien Heuvel
5. Upeo Unaozidi
PINK JERSEY :
1. Quentin Rieg & Pascal Baumbauer
2. Pascal Baumbauer
3. Kuba Szajbel
4. Kuba Szajbel
5. Kuba Szajbel
http://www.giroditalia.it/it/classifiche/
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#55 posted May 15th 2019, 22:39:08
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For me it will be Dumoulin OUT and Lopez Moreno IN also.
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#56 posted May 16th 2019, 08:21:00
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Now that I think about it, free replacements in case of withdrawal do not make much sense. At this stage, sure, no problem for me to switch Dumoulin for Roglic, but for example what if a rider from your team retires at stage 20. Should you be able to swap him for any jersey winner just to grab final standing bonus?
I can see two way outs, either give final jersey bonus points to people who selected their jersey winners before stage 1, or simply remove this rule.
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#57 posted May 16th 2019, 09:52:28
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Quote ( Kuba Szajbel @ May 16th 2019,08:21:00 ) Now that I think about it, free replacements in case of withdrawal do not make much sense. At this stage, sure, no problem for me to switch Dumoulin for Roglic, but for example what if a rider from your team retires at stage 20. Should you be able to swap him for any jersey winner just to grab final standing bonus?
I can see two way outs, either give final jersey bonus points to people who selected their jersey winners before stage 1, or simply remove this rule.
Very good point indeed Kuba, I was thinking the same.
It is of course super cool from Harno to organize this competition, but it was very short day. So I guess that there was no time enough to go deeper into detail when it comes to the game rules ?
But on the other hand which driver will pull back one day before the end of the Giro. The last ten days of this Giro are a real hell, so if you survived that it would be strange not to finish this Grand Tour IMHO.
We should ask Harno about this, it is his game in the end. And it's real fun. :)
I was thinking about setting up a Tour de France competition for this year, the game rules will be slightly different then. (I will put it online in June already.)
And everybody is invited of course, the more managers the more fun. :)
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#58 posted May 16th 2019, 09:58:04
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Quote ( Kuba Szajbel @ May 16th 2019,08:21:00 ) Now that I think about it, free replacements in case of withdrawal do not make much sense. At this stage, sure, no problem for me to switch Dumoulin for Roglic, but for example what if a rider from your team retires at stage 20. Should you be able to swap him for any jersey winner just to grab final standing bonus?
I can see two way outs, either give final jersey bonus points to people who selected their jersey winners before stage 1, or simply remove this rule.
On the other hand, you don't have Dumoulin in your team. But you are scoring 25 bonuspoints each day with Lopez Moreno.
I do have Dumoulin in my team, so replacing him with Lopez Moreno would allow me to also score those 25 points each day.
So some managers will benefit from switching/replacing drivers. hihihi ;)
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#59 posted May 16th 2019, 10:34:11
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Quote ( Upeo Unaozidi @ May 16th 2019,09:58:04 ) Quote ( Kuba Szajbel @ May 16th 2019,08:21:00 )
Now that I think about it, free replacements in case of withdrawal do not make much sense. At this stage, sure, no problem for me to switch Dumoulin for Roglic, but for example what if a rider from your team retires at stage 20. Should you be able to swap him for any jersey winner just to grab final standing bonus?
I can see two way outs, either give final jersey bonus points to people who selected their jersey winners before stage 1, or simply remove this rule.
On the other hand, you don't have Dumoulin in your team. But you are scoring 25 bonuspoints each day with Lopez Moreno.
I do have Dumoulin in my team, so replacing him with Lopez Moreno would allow me to also score those 25 points each day.
So some managers will benefit from switching/replacing drivers. hihihi ;)
Good point Upeo and nice try Kuba. 😉✌🤣
(Just kidding of course.)
But I don't see the point in changing the game rules halfway a game. We knew this before we started this competition. Some will benefit from it and some others not, that's the game. 👍👍👍
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Okay, I don't mind keeping these rules for Giro, however in my opinion few things need to be changed for TdF and Vuelta. And Harno, please don't get me wrong, I really appreciate you set up this Challenge, but my wish is to make this game a little bit more playable. Here are my suggestions:
1. I really enjoyed Jukka's swap system as it kept the game alive throughout the tours. Cyclist selection/value can be changed nonetheless it should be present in previous version or another.
2. If we agree to 2 sprinter/2 leader rule a complete list of sprinters/leaders is a must. For example not including Ackermann in a sprinter list when books had it as a main sprint contender was a mistake.
3. I don't think each jersey should be valued the same.
4. I like the sprint/climb bonus but the amount of points that is given to breakaways is too much. I would decrease sprint points and perhaps differentiate climb points based on hill category.
5. Upeo, I really like showing stage winners/maglia rosa in every classification. That's probably cause I'm winning lol ;), but I hope it stays.
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