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Quote ( Jasper Coosemans @ December 8th 2020,19:42:24 ) Do you really think the stewards are watching TV during the race?
With the amount of people and the amount of screens they have in that room I would be extremely surprised if they didn't :P
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Leclerc's crash was similar to Illot's in the previous weekend. He was gonna get a grid drop irrespective of what he said on TV.
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Quote ( Jasper Coosemans @ December 8th 2020,19:42:24 ) Do you really think the stewards are watching TV during the race?
Since Ferrari submitted Karun Chandhok's "bulletproof" analysis as "video evidence" of why it should not have been a penalty for Vettel in Canada 2019, they probably don't leave any stone unturned. :P
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I hope Sergio Perez gets a seat for next season. He's good driver and in fast car he can fight for podiums and wins. At the same time it's sad to see how Albon is struggling. Gasly and Kvyat got demoted to Torro Rosso (AlphaTauri now) and i have a feeling Albon will have no place to go if Red Bull dismiss him.
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Mazepin should lose his seat, he posted a video of him seemingly sexually assaulting a drunk woman in his car. Haas are apparently dealing with it but surely when your motor is 'we race as one' you can't have him in the sport? He's also apparently blackmailed Russell into coming out as gay on his live stream. Surely not acceptable?
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Quote ( Finn Shaw-McIver @ December 9th 2020,12:38:33 ) Mazepin should lose his seat, he posted a video of him seemingly sexually assaulting a drunk woman in his car. Haas are apparently dealing with it but surely when your motor is 'we race as one' you can't have him in the sport? He's also apparently blackmailed Russell into coming out as gay on his live stream. Surely not acceptable?
he is a disgrace and mentally bankrupt people like him have no place in a uniting and inclusive sport like this. He took the seat not on merit, publicly threatened Russell to expose him as gay(doesn’t he have a girlfriend? Regardless it’s not Nikitas place to interfere at all) , is an awful human being, offered paddock access for nudes, groped and probably paid off the girl to say she is fine (her statement is shady, she doesn’t follow him on socials etc). Haas risks losing much more in sponsorship money and image having him as a driver. He is a dangerous racer (last F2 feature race he was trying to kill Drugovich), punched and injured Ilott before for ruining his lap in free practice, the list is long and disgusting. Him having a seat over Ilott, Hülkenberg or even Magnussen feels like a punch in the face.
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Taking money from an arrogant abuser to put him in a car above more deserving pay drivers makes the team complicit in his actions! Do they really think he won't use his "status" as an F1 driver to carry on his attacks?
Haas: Supporting abusers since 2020.
Quote ( Finn Shaw-McIver @ December 9th 2020,12:38:33 ) He's also apparently blackmailed Russell into coming out as gay on his live stream. Surely not acceptable?
Perhaps Mazepin should come out as a C***...oh...he already has!
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On the Mazepin thing... whatever Haas decide to do with him, I will respect their decision. What I do not respect is social media creating a moral panic over his fate. People simply just can't help poking their noses into others' business, especially when it's not their money or their reputation on the line. Let the team come to a decision, and if they want to keep him, I say encourage him to change his ways ASAP. Might be able to get away with some of the stuff in the feeder categories, but not in the big league.
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Quote ( Cameron Halsall @ December 9th 2020,16:22:49 ) What I do not respect is social media creating a moral panic over his fate. People simply just can't help poking their noses into others' business
When Mazepin has used social media to bully and boast about his sexual abuse he has already involved the internet community. There's no point whining now about people on the platform he has used to 'big himself up' who take exception to what he has done. Mazepin has made it everyone's business, no one forced him to post what he did.
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No one was forced to respond. Yeah if you're accused of doing something like that you're gonna get a lot of criticism, but really it's nobody's business to a) take matters into their own hands and b) suddenly become the world's HR office. Haas already has one of those. Especially given no decision has been made. Haas are conducting an investigation and that's all there is to it, I do not see why the whole internet's opinion is more important than theirs. It is absolutely despicable how people have been demanding that Haas drop him, especially given how some (but not all) of his conduct can be redeemed. If F1 wants to make a stand against hatred then they should be fighting outrage culture, no matter how serious people's contentions are. I don't think any team should be pressured into a decision by this collective, it has no place in sport, and no place in society. It's purely based on conjecture and not rationality.
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Alright, everybody back to hitting like on cat videos, all other opinions are not welcome.
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Quote ( Cameron Halsall @ December 9th 2020,16:54:23 ) No one was forced to respond.
He was not forced to post it to his Social media, by doing that he made it other people's business because it has been put into the public domain.
This is something they try to educate kids about.
People aren't becoming the world's HR office, just they are calling out his actions for what they are
Only HAas get to decide what happens next but they will also need to take into account if there sponsors and other parties involved with them want to be linked to him
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Quote ( Cameron Halsall @ December 9th 2020,16:54:23 ) No one was forced to respond. Yeah if you're accused of doing something like that you're gonna get a lot of criticism, but really it's nobody's business to a) take matters into their own hands and b) suddenly become the world's HR office. Haas already has one of those.
You're losing sight of the fact that this was not an internal Haas issue. Really the only people who should be defending Mazepin or attacking the public response in any way are those who have Jeffrey Epstein in a leotard as their screen saver and think the sexual offenders register infringes the rights of perverts!
[EDIT: ...and he wasn't "accused" he posted a video of himself doing it and has admitted it :( ]
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Quote ( Cameron Halsall @ December 9th 2020,16:54:23 ) No one was forced to respond. Yeah if you're accused of doing something like that you're gonna get a lot of criticism, but really it's nobody's business to a) take matters into their own hands and b) suddenly become the world's HR office. Haas already has one of those. Especially given no decision has been made. Haas are conducting an investigation and that's all there is to it, I do not see why the whole internet's opinion is more important than theirs. It is absolutely despicable how people have been demanding that Haas drop him, especially given how some (but not all) of his conduct can be redeemed. If F1 wants to make a stand against hatred then they should be fighting outrage culture, no matter how serious people's contentions are. I don't think any team should be pressured into a decision by this collective, it has no place in sport, and no place in society. It's purely based on conjecture and not rationality.
You defending a billionaire's son for sexually assaulting someone is the least surprising thing I have ever read.
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Mazepan should be booted... end of story.
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Peter, read that post again - what was that in response to?
Paul, the only question that matters is whether Haas will keep him or drop him. Obviously this is not an internal matter, but he is their contracted driver. Nobody else has the right to demand he be dismissed apart from shareholders. And even Jefferey Epstein deserved his day in court, which of course he ironically got out of. All parties in public disputes have rights, and it is those rights I am willing to defend. That doesn't mean I condone his actions, OK? If it were me I would have dropped him simply because the only reason they hired him, sponsorship, is going to evaporate. But I'm not, so I can't.
Finn, I defend anyone on the basis their careers should not be decided by what people on the internet think.
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If F1 wants to make a stand on discrimination and inclusion, they should 1) At the very least give Mazepin a reprimand and 2) take a stand against fans who think they have the moral authority to force Haas to dismiss him.
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Cameron, if you did what Mazepin did you would instantly be sacked from your job and probably face criminal charges. That goes for sexual assault, blackmail and assault. Any on their own are sackable offences.
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Quote ( Cameron Halsall @ December 9th 2020,16:22:49 ) On the Mazepin thing... whatever Haas decide to do with him, I will respect their decision. What I do not respect is social media creating a moral panic over his fate. People simply just can't help poking their noses into others' business, especially when it's not their money or their reputation on the line. Let the team come to a decision, and if they want to keep him, I say encourage him to change his ways ASAP. Might be able to get away with some of the stuff in the feeder categories, but not in the big league.
Of course we, as a F1 fan base, will be poking our noses in places we feel are wrong. After all it is only public outrage that can cause them to reevaluate their position. If we do not make it clear through the means we have that we are losing respect towards the organization hiring such people as their brand names, then they might think it is ok to keep him.
Like this is repeat behavior which all stands fully against the F1 and FIA standards, and we have the right to be upset that such a person, as it stands, has a seat in the sport. What they do is their business, but this is what social media is for - express emotions, which if expressed by enough people, has power.
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Playing devil's advocate, but screenshots can be faked and a confession can be coerced. Just sayin'.
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Quote ( Finn Shaw-McIver @ December 9th 2020,18:06:59 ) Cameron, if you did what Mazepin did you would instantly be sacked from your job and probably face criminal charges. That goes for sexual assault, blackmail and assault. Any on their own are sackable offences.
Yeah, and I think that's what Haas will probably do. So what's all the fuss about? If people are so confident he will be dropped why are they so angry? This has only been public knowledge for a matter of hours. There's no way Haas could have made a faster response. Why don't they have time to do an investigation and make a decision?
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Cameron, why is it you feel your opinion matters more than those that are outraged over these incidents? Do you not give others the same "RIGHTS" to speak their minds and give opinions? OR, are those only reserved for the certain few?
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Quote ( Cameron Halsall @ December 9th 2020,16:54:23 ) No one was forced to respond. Yeah if you're accused of doing something like that you're gonna get a lot of criticism, but really it's nobody's business to a) take matters into their own hands and b) suddenly become the world's HR office. Haas already has one of those. Especially given no decision has been made. Haas are conducting an investigation and that's all there is to it, I do not see why the whole internet's opinion is more important than theirs. It is absolutely despicable how people have been demanding that Haas drop him, especially given how some (but not all) of his conduct can be redeemed. If F1 wants to make a stand against hatred then they should be fighting outrage culture, no matter how serious people's contentions are. I don't think any team should be pressured into a decision by this collective, it has no place in sport, and no place in society. It's purely based on conjecture and not rationality.
Defending someone for sexually abusing a drunk woman is a weird hill to die on.
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Quote ( Finn Shaw-McIver @ December 9th 2020,18:06:59 ) Cameron, if you did what Mazepin did you would instantly be sacked from your job and probably face criminal charges. That goes for sexual assault, blackmail and assault. Any on their own are sackable offences.
Think of England and Man City footballer Andy Johnson, lost his job and served prison time for consensual sexual contact with a girl he "thought" was overage but was actually less than a year underage!
The problem is that many comments calling everyone in F1 "trash" or similar have resulted from the Russians videos :(
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He posted it on social media, was he trying to brag that he grabs them by the hooters?
Now I realize he is the son of another billionaire.. so now is F1 a "money gives you talent"sport?
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Quote ( Marcelo Ascencio @ December 9th 2020,19:04:31 ) He posted it on social media, was he trying to brag that he grabs them by the hooters?
Now I realize he is the son of another billionaire.. so now is F1 a "money gives you talent"sport?
Now? This is not a new concept...
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Pay drivers were a whole lot more common in the past. So much so that a good majority of people used to have to pay their way into f1.
Even Nikki lauda paid for his first seat.
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Quote ( Daniel Douglas @ December 9th 2020,19:22:27 ) Pay drivers were a whole lot more common in the past. So much so that a good majority of people used to have to pay their way into f1.
Even Nikki lauda paid for his first seat.
Sure did! Crazy to think that but indeed... if you haven't watched Rush it's a pretty good movie IMO :)
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Quote ( Cameron Halsall @ December 9th 2020,18:11:14 ) Playing devil's advocate, but screenshots can be faked and a confession can be coerced. Just sayin'.
You took your red pill today already, Cam?
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