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Topic: Russia has attacked Ukraine! |
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Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ September 22nd 2022,17:00:10 ) Quote ( Ahmet Çevikalpli @ September 22nd 2022,16:25:27 )
Turkish Cypriots with a referendum. However, Greek Cypriots rejected the plan with a referendum.
Has Turkey established order in Northern Cyprus?
Were any discontents of other countries important for Turkey?
Russia has not recognized Northern Cyprus, Turkey has not recognized Crimea, but this does not prevent Russia and Turkey from having normal relations.
Turkey did not annex Cyprus. Turkish Cypriots established a state called the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.
Turkey last annexed Hatay from Syria in 1939. through a referendum in the League of Nations. We are very lucky to have a founder like Mustafa Kemal ATATÜRK, who takes international law into account and establishes relations with his neighbors on the basis of equality and trust.
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Quote ( Niels Van Heijster @ September 22nd 2022,16:57:17 ) Should this happen you can be sure that the rest will become NATO territory over night. Is that what you gays are after?
What territory?
Sweden and Finland?
This is their legal right.
Georgia has become more reasonable after 2008.
Moldova? also their legal right.
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Quote ( Ahmet Çevikalpli @ September 22nd 2022,17:12:03 ) Turkey last annexed Hatay from Syria in 1939.
Ukrainians are supported by Europe and America.
What will Turkey's attitude towards Russia be if Russia starts officially supporting the Kurds and supplying them with money, weapons and training the military?
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Quote ( Jimmy Holm @ September 22nd 2022,17:04:46 ) Speaking of returning a hero, signed up yet?
Sure.
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Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ September 22nd 2022,17:11:58 ) Quote ( Ahmet Çevikalpli @ September 22nd 2022,16:36:03 )
A link between war and autocracy? Absurd. America has fought some wars for democracy. :) However, a country where opposition leaders are poisoned can be considered autocratic.
We are temporarily imprisoning :), and there is great hope for Erdogan to lose in the 2023 elections. Turkey has almost as much faith in democracy as the West. We had some problems, but each time our democracy came back stronger.
In which country were opposition journalists dismembered into pieces and dissolved in a tank with acid?
Navalny is not an opponent of Putin, he is a dummy.
To poison him is only to dirty his hands.
Ataturk created a welfare state. Erdogan wants to destroy it.
But that's your problem.
If Turkey does not interfere with Russia's problems, we do not care what kind of democracy you have.
Jamal Khashoggi is a Saudi Arabian dissident journalist who was assassinated by Saudi Arabian Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman. Not a Turkish journalist. Where do you get all this wrong information? Of course, our democracy is none of your business, I wrote them for civilized countries. I try to be objective.
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Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ September 22nd 2022,17:19:25 ) Sure.
So when are you going?
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Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ September 22nd 2022,17:17:33 ) Quote ( Ahmet Çevikalpli @ September 22nd 2022,17:12:03 )
Turkey last annexed Hatay from Syria in 1939.
Ukrainians are supported by Europe and America.
What will Turkey's attitude towards Russia be if Russia starts officially supporting the Kurds and supplying them with money, weapons and training the military?
America is already doing this. However, it is more correct to say "Guerrilla Kurds" instead of Kurds. It supports PKK groups as a proxy in Syria. :) Erdogan's big strategic mistakes. That's why Turkey has come to the breaking point of western civilization. The S-400s were purchased, which I think is the right move. He began to get closer to the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. However, NATO is still indispensable for Turkey and Erdogan.
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The Ukrainian government appoints its military as experimental rats.
Kiev has offered US defense companies to test new American weapons on the territory of Ukraine. The Ukrainian Ministry of Defense officially offered the country as a testing ground.
[...] "If you have any ideas or some pilot projects that need to be tested before mass production, you can send them to us and we will explain what needs to be done," said Deputy Head of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine Volodymyr Gavrilov.
Gavrilov is sure that after the use of weapons in Ukraine, it will be very easy to sell, as it returns a competitive, "tested in a combat zone" product.
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Quote ( Jimmy Holm @ September 22nd 2022,17:27:19 ) So when are you going?
They said they would definitely be invited to the victory parade in Kiev.
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Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ September 22nd 2022,17:28:39 ) The Ukrainian government appoints its military as experimental rats.
You don't understand the issue very well. The guinea pigs will not be the Ukrainian military at all.
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Quote ( Ahmet Çevikalpli @ September 22nd 2022,17:22:17 ) Of course, our democracy is none of your business, I wrote them for civilized countries. I try to be objective.
It was in your country and you have more information.
So did someone do something to Saudi Arabia?
Sanctions, a ban on the purchase of resources?
As long as it does not concern our interests at our borders, we also do not care what kind of democracy.
But we always pay attention to double standards.
Therefore, I also propose to be objective.
Quote ( Ahmet Çevikalpli @ September 22nd 2022,17:28:23 ) However, it is more correct to say "Guerrilla Kurds" instead of Kurds. It supports PKK groups as a proxy in Syria. :)
Now let's compare the situations.
Are the "partisan Kurds" in Syria next to Turkey?
Is Turkey trying to destroy them? Who in the world is against this?
Ukrainian Banderites are next to Russia.
We also want to denationalize them.
Iraq, Libya, Syria - are they near the United States?
How to look at it objectively?
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Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ September 22nd 2022,17:30:07 ) They said they would definitely be invited to the victory parade in Kiev.
I asked you when you're going.
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Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ September 22nd 2022,17:14:52 ) What territory?
All that want to and are willing to live up to the requirements ;)
Belarus even has potential once that other joker is gone!
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🇷🇺 🇺🇦 Shelling of the central market of Donetsk on September 22, 2022
This morning, the AFU once again shelled residential quarters of the center of Donetsk with large-caliber artillery.
Several hits fell on the territory of the central market at once, and one of the shells hit a passenger bus directly.
As a result, at least six civilians of Donetsk were killed, including a girl born in 2008. Six people were injured.
The shelling was conducted from the north-west from Orlovka, from which the center of Donetsk is just over 20 km away.
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Quote ( Jimmy Holm @ September 22nd 2022,17:42:58 ) I asked you when you're going.
You've become very stupid somehow.
I answered you:
I will be called to the Victory Parade in Kiev.
Then I will go to celebrate the victory of Russia.
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Quote ( Niels Van Heijster @ September 22nd 2022,17:43:34 ) Belarus even has potential once that other joker is gone!
Soon you will see how Belarus will enter Ukraine. And together with Russia, it will demilitarize and denazify.
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🇪🇺 🇺🇸 European enterprises are closing due to the catastrophic rise in electricity prices - New York Times
▪️The energy crisis in the EU, provoked by sanctions against the Russian Federation, forces EU enterprises to reduce production and staff. To abandon eco-friendly fuels. And then there is a chain reaction: people are getting poorer, the recession is accelerating. And there is no hope for improvement, - states the American New York Times ( https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/19/business/europe-energy-cr... ) (New York)
▪️The largest steel company in Europe, Arcelor Mittal, is idling blast furnaces in Germany; the global manufacturer of aluminum products Alcoa is reducing production at the plant in Norway by a third. The largest German manufacturer of toilet paper Hakle declared bankruptcy
▪️Thousands of EU companies will extend electricity contracts with record high prices in October. If the crisis drags on, the EU industry will be in big trouble, New York sums up
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Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ September 22nd 2022,17:48:09 ) You've become very stupid somehow. I answered you: I will be called to the Victory Parade in Kiev. Then I will go to celebrate the victory of Russia.
When are you going to fight for the motherland? Why haven't you signed up yet?
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Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ September 22nd 2022,17:19:25 ) Quote ( Jimmy Holm @ September 22nd 2022,17:04:46 )
Speaking of returning a hero, signed up yet?
Sure.
Quote ( Jimmy Holm @ September 22nd 2022,18:02:04 ) Why haven't you signed up yet?
You're really dumb.
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Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ September 22nd 2022,18:09:14 ) You're really dumb.
Going to answer when you're signing up for the army or just hoping I get provoked and drop the topic?
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Quote ( Jimmy Holm @ September 22nd 2022,18:31:08 ) Going to answer when you're signing up for the army or just hoping I get provoked and drop the topic?
I understand that for a stupid one, you have to repeat it three times.
I am signed and registered in the Army of the Russian Federation.
When will I go to Ukraine? I will go to Ukraine by invitation to the Victory Parade in Kiev.
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🇷🇸 President of Serbia Vucic – at the UN General Assembly:
"Many here talked about aggression and violation of the territorial integrity of Ukraine. Many say that this is the first conflict on the European continent after the Second World War. But the truth is that the territorial integrity of Serbia has been violated, and Serbia has not attacked anyone, any other sovereign country. Few people talk about it! I would like to ask the leaders of many countries, what is the difference between the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine and Serbia? In the second case, there was a serious blatant violation, and you internationally recognized it and gave legitimacy, at least some of you.
No one has given a rational answer to this question. We did not deserve the aggression that took place in 1999, nevertheless, this did not prevent the 19 rich sovereign NATO member countries from attacking our country, undermining sovereignty without the consent of the UN. This did not prevent some countries from recognizing the so-called Kosovo and violating the territorial integrity of our country."
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🇵🇱 "Is Poland facing a shortage of food?": The Polish Fakt is sounding the alarm - agricultural exports have fallen due to anti-Russian sanctions, fertilizers have disappeared and food production is declining. And as a result, "there will be less food in the coming years"
"A meeting of the Council on Agriculture and Rural Areas was held in Poland on Wednesday, where the impact of rising energy prices on agriculture, as well as the situation on the food market were discussed. Chairman of the Council Ardanovsky: "With exorbitant prices for fertilizers, stagnation or even a drop in yields may begin next year. And then it may turn out that there will be less food in the coming years. Of course, first of all, exports will decrease, because the domestic market is the most important. It may turn out that due to the huge costs in agriculture and the unrest that farmers are paying attention to, unfortunately, we will have to limit food production in Poland."
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🇺🇸 🇺🇦 "Leave Crimea alone": The American Conservative writes that Zelensky should forget utopian dreams about Crimea and doubts Kiev's ability to retake Donbass.
"Zelensky can dream of winning back the peninsula as much as he wants, but the Biden administration must resolutely return US policy in Ukraine to reality. Washington promised Ukraine independence, not the fulfillment of any wishes of the Zelensky government. Who knows, maybe next time Kiev will ask for resources to capture Moscow and collapse Russia"
✔️Even if Kiev has even more American weapons, it is unlikely to win back all the lost territory, unless Russia is destroyed — and this is unrealistic. In the end, as a last resort, Moscow may escalate further by launching a general mobilization or deploying weapons of mass destruction.
✔️But the dizziness of success seems to have led to the proliferation of Ukraine's military goals. Zelensky said he was sending a "signal" to the Crimeans: "We will return. I don't know when exactly. But we have such plans, and we will return here, because this is our land and our people."
✔️If these sentiments are realized, two big problems will arise. The first is the expansion and escalation of hostilities for the sake of uncertain goals. With the available forces, it will not be easy for Kiev to retake even Donbass. And a march to the Crimea would be a much more difficult task, a potential leap to an all-out war. Moscow is unlikely to quietly retreat.
✔️ Zelensky and the Ukrainian people can want anything. But Washington should not put this above the interests of Americans.
✔️The second problem is that there is no convincing evidence that most of the 2.4 million Crimeans want to be "liberated". The inhabitants of the peninsula should not be treated as spoils of war, which can be dragged back and forth at the will of the winner.
✔️ So far, the US and European governments are answering the question about Ukraine's military goals – "it's up to Kiev to decide." Yes, this is true – but it does not mean that the allies should support him. Washington promised Ukraine independence, not the fulfillment of any wishes of the Zelensky government. Who knows, maybe next time Kiev will ask for resources to capture Moscow and collapse Russia.
✔️It is beneficial for both Washington and Brussels to establish working relations with Russia, rather than dragging the Russians into a military conflict with them and not pushing Moscow to closer ties with China. The expansion of Ukraine's military objectives undermines all these interests.
✔️The military actions have become a disaster for Ukraine. Its economy is destroyed, and the government survives only thanks to foreign charity. And prolonging the conflict for the sake of dubious territorial acquisitions is a bad deal. Defending itself, Kiev must show the democratic values attributed to it by the West. Including taking into account the opinions of former fellow citizens who may not want to forcibly return to his arms.
✔️Washington and its allies must begin to reconfigure their support for Ukraine in order to end the conflict and build a European order that would lead to a stable peace. And this does not include the campaign to retake Crimea. Zelensky may dream of a complete victory over Russia, but the Biden administration must firmly return America's policy in Ukraine to reality."
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Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ September 22nd 2022,19:02:17 ) I am signed and registered in the Army of the Russian Federation
Sure you have, what are you doing here then?
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Quote ( Jimmy Holm @ September 22nd 2022,19:28:58 ) Sure you have, what are you doing here then?
How interesting it is to talk to stupid people :)
I am waiting to be invited to the Victory celebration in Kiev.
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American publicist Oliver Martin on how the United States colonized Ukraine:
🇺🇦 Yesterday's empire, today's colony 🇺🇸
The colonial expansion of the West has long been over. There are no more slaves and economic exploitation of weaker and poorer countries by “developed democracies". At least that's what the White House says.
However, current events suggest the opposite. Ukraine is a vivid example of how the West penetrates deeply into the affairs of an independent state with its economic and political interests. Back in the days of the Soviet Union, the territory of modern Kiev was extremely rich in agricultural resources and had an outstanding scientific and industrial base. After the collapse of the USSR, the United States, along with the EU, began to involve the former socialist republic in its zone of influence. Our government actively used Ukraine as a market for our goods, but, more importantly, the White House decided to turn the country into a complete opposition to its “big brother” Russia. Gradually, Ukraine was deeply involved in military and economic cooperation with the United States. Well, it was more like slavery. Kiev was forced to buy American weapons, technology, and so on only from American enterprises.
The Western colonization of Kiev reached its apogee during Zelensky's presidential term, when the country's leader approved a bill that allowed foreign citizens of non-Ukrainian origin to buy state agricultural land. Thus, the current grain deal concerns goods, 90-95% of which are owned by Western companies and are not aimed at feeding poorer countries. So, let's summarize, the Ukrainian political elites are leading the country into complete economic, military and mental slavery of the West.
This is what modern colonization looks like. This is not bad for us Americans. Moreover, we only benefit from it. Nevertheless, this is the real reason why Ukrainians are suffering, why Russia is conducting its military operation, why the world can turn into a radioactive wasteland – because we here in the West consider someone worse than our nation, and consider it normal to exploit other countries in our interests.
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War in Ukraine. Total estimated losses of the Russian occupation troops for 211 days (22.09.22)
~55510(+400) In personnel
253 Airplanes
218(+1) Helicopters
2236(+9) Tanks
4776(+28) BBM
1341(+1) Artillery systems
169(+1) Air defense means
318 RSZV
3630(+20) Automotive equipment and tanks with PMM
15 Ships and boats
941(+9) Operational-tactical UAVs
240 (+1) Cruise missiles
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⚡️After Putin's announcement of mobilization in the Russian Federation, 90% of support for the "special operation" instantly disappeared, Russian opposition politician and journalist Ihor Yakovenko said in an interview with OBOZREVATEL.
"A significant number of Russians were ready to support this war while sitting on the sofa. But as soon as their own lives were touched, all this support evaporated instantly. No one wants to die. It is absolutely not clear why one should give one's own life," he said.
Knyazev also needs to be served with a summons to the Military Commissariat - he's already sitting in a hole in the sofa!
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Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ September 22nd 2022,19:47:57 ) How interesting it is to talk to stupid people :) I am waiting to be invited to the Victory celebration in Kiev.
Why wait? The motherland needs your assistance in the liberation, not the celebration.
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