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Old post #241 posted Jan 25th 2018, 19:38:51 Quote 
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Live TV coverage for every stage if I understood correctly.


Hmm this would be amazing.
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Old post #242 posted Jan 25th 2018, 22:14:14 (last edited Jan 25th 2018, 22:16:25 by Mikko Suhonen) Quote 
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Can't wait! I heard Monte is amping up its slipperiness already.

Sounds like my sources were correct. Ogier with a spin + apparently Tänak, Neuville, Evans and Sordo with crashes or other ditch visits in 1st stage :S

E: Lol and two spins for Latvala.
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Old post #243 posted Jan 25th 2018, 22:28:10 Quote 
First stage and so many drama > will be interesting weekend!
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Old post #244 posted Jan 26th 2018, 17:12:28 Quote 
Who do you think is going to win World Rally Championship 2018?

1. Sébastien Ogier
2. Sébastien Loeb

They both have dominated the WRC like no other. Although Loeb holds 9 titles which is 4 more than Ogier's.
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Old post #245 posted Jan 26th 2018, 17:15:24 Quote 
Loeb won't participate in the full season, so the favourite is clear ;)

Though Lappi, Latvala or Tänak can also get the shot.
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Old post #246 posted Jan 27th 2018, 17:00:10 Quote 
I personally love Sebastian Ogier anyway!! :D He's so cute.
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Old post #247 posted Jan 12th 2019, 21:42:45 Quote 
Doru, where are you?
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Old post #248 posted Jan 25th 2019, 13:34:20 Quote 
It definately will be Tänak´s year.

Go Ott!
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Old post #249 posted Jun 29th 2019, 01:04:54 (last edited Jun 29th 2019, 01:05:47 by James Hitchen) Quote 
Anyone going to Rally Finland or Rally GB this year? I’m going for the full Finland weekend and probably going to the Thursday and Saturday of GB. So if anyone happens to be in Jyvaskyla we could definitely get a drink
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Old post #250 posted Jun 29th 2019, 10:31:01 Quote 
Very much thinking about being at Rally Australia.
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Old post #251 posted Jun 29th 2019, 10:52:58 Quote 
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Very much thinking about being at Rally Australia.

it looks good, I just can’t afford the flights. Sardinia and Sweden are two rallies on my bucket list of events to go to.
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Old post #252 posted Jun 29th 2019, 11:00:46 Quote 
I am here, just on another coast, 4300km away 😅
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Old post #253 posted Oct 27th 2019, 14:30:59 Quote 
Ott Tänak & Martin Järveoja
!! World Champions 2019 !!
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Old post #254 posted Oct 27th 2019, 14:37:45 Quote 
Well done to them :) Respect to what Loeb and Ogier did but I was waiting who would broke this French streak. I wonder if Neuville can somehow end his streak of finishing 2nd at standings because this year it will be 4th consecutive year(5th total)

Fun fact: WRC has a champion who is not named Sebastian and not French for the first time since 2003. Strange,isn't it?
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Old post #255 posted Oct 27th 2019, 15:33:27 Quote 
Well the Seb domination is sandwiched by titles from people with a double t in their first name.

Tanak deserves this title and deserved last years too, he’s been the best driver no doubt but that Yaris has made it harder than it should of.


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Old post #256 posted Oct 28th 2019, 18:24:45 Quote 
Ott Ott Ott :)

Thoroughly deserved. Quite an õnn ja rõõm!
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Old post #257 posted Oct 29th 2019, 14:30:41 Quote 
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Very much thinking about being at Rally Australia.

Btw, bought tickets and flight tickets about a month ago, so yeah, I will be there.
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Old post #258 posted Aug 15th 2021, 19:06:16 Quote 
World Rally Cars at Spa - Belgium WRC Ypres Rally


https://youtu.be/bfmOAR-f_Vc
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Old post #259 posted Oct 2nd 2022, 11:33:03 Quote 
Same thing that Gulf Porsche had to hear from me already: if Verstappen winning the F1 title was big for the Dutch, then this is just as big for Finns. First drivers' title in 20 years!

CMON KALLE!!! Full send!
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Old post #260 posted Jan 28th 2024, 17:11:15 Quote 
Time to revive this thread after the Monte Carlo rally which ended today. Neuville won and looked like the man to beat. It looked like an asphalt rally rather than snow/ice with asphalt. There were few places which had ice and it was enough to cause trouble for some drivers. Next rally is at Sweden so proper snow/ice time and we might see some changes at the order.

On a final note,this new point system is confusing,I couldn't figure out who scored how much until I saw final standings at the end of event.
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Old post #261 posted Jan 28th 2024, 20:15:13 Quote 

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I couldn't figure out who scored how much until I saw final standings at the end of event.


Did you understand how the points were collected?
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Old post #262 posted Jan 29th 2024, 08:36:08 Quote 
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Did you understand how the points were collected?


Well,that's confusing and I'll try to tell. From what I understand,top 10 get points from Saturday standings,if they are able to finish the rally on Sunday. Sunday is kind of seperate day as far as I'm aware so,being in top 7 gives you additional points. There is power stage that didn't change from last seasons.

I think they also got rid of power stage points for WRC 2 since Rossel was fastest of WRC2 in power stage but scored less than Lopez and Gryazin,despite winning the category overall.

This is an attempt to make Sunday more competitive since drivers were easing through Sunday till power stage,especially when the gap to front and back are big but this brings another problem in my opinion. You might win the rally but you can score less points than someone who finish 2nd/3rd Satuday and fastest on Sunday,which is quite odd.
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Old post #263 posted Jan 29th 2024, 19:30:54 Quote 
Very correct explanation, that's exactly how things work based on the new system.
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Old post #264 posted Jan 29th 2024, 19:35:17 Quote 
Quote ( Alihan Zor @ January 29th 2024,08:36:08 )

This is an attempt to make Sunday more competitive since drivers were easing through Sunday till power stage,especially when the gap to front and back are big but this brings another problem in my opinion


At least based on Monte, this change worked.


Quote ( Alihan Zor @ January 29th 2024,08:36:08 )

You might win the rally but you can score less points than someone who finish 2nd/3rd Satuday and fastest on Sunday,which is quite odd.


In the following rallies, this scenario is quite possible.


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Old post #265 posted Jan 30th 2024, 21:32:07 (last edited Jan 30th 2024, 21:33:26 by Mikko Suhonen) Quote 
Quote ( Kaur Sirel @ January 29th 2024,19:35:17 )

At least based on Monte, this change worked.

Agreed that this idea seemed to work to get Sundays more competitive.

But the graphics in the TV broadcasts should have also had some kind of Sunday-standings. Now there was no announcement before or after the power stage that how the 7-6-5-4-3-2-1 Sunday standings points would go? I had to calculate that myself in Excel before power stage :D Instead they were showing the overall standings which were now made meaningless*.

Making Sunday less of a tyre save fest worked and I liked that, but as long as Sunday is paying even that many points, they'd really need to move more of the stages to Sunday so that there are more stage kilometers, like 33% of the rally. Now there was only 16% of full rally on Sunday that paid max. 7 Sunday points and 5 Power stage points. Might as well change the Power Stage start time to around 15-18 CET in that case because you can't stack the morning up with twice the stages either.

*Not that it should be meaningless, the whole rally overall winner should still be awarded when now it is not lol. Perhaps handing out the Saturday points rather for the overall standings after Sunday could help. I guess WRC then might expect there to be bit more tyre saving in Sunday but not as much as before. But even that would not be so, if there was more teams...


Edit: Also woop, great drive from Neuville!
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Old post #266 posted Jan 31st 2024, 10:20:22 (last edited Jan 31st 2024, 10:21:40 by Alihan Zor) Quote 
Quote ( Kaur Sirel @ January 29th 2024,19:35:17 )

In the following rallies, this scenario is quite possible.



I expect this to happen at some point during the season and the chaos right after.


Quote ( Mikko Suhonen @ January 30th 2024,21:32:07 )

Making Sunday less of a tyre save fest worked and I liked that, but as long as Sunday is paying even that many points, they'd really need to move more of the stages to Sunday so that there are more stage kilometers, like 33% of the rally. Now there was only 16% of full rally on Sunday that paid max. 7 Sunday points and 5 Power stage points. Might as well change the Power Stage start time to around 15-18 CET in that case because you can't stack the morning up with twice the stages either.


I think if they will keep this system,they will tweak some parts at least for future seasons. I don't know if WRC is proactive on mid-season regulation changes but I don't expect this point system to be completely shelved unless someone find the bug of the system straight away in next rallies.


Quote ( Mikko Suhonen @ January 30th 2024,21:32:07 )

Edit: Also woop, great drive from Neuville!


He was the one to beat in Monte Carlo but I'm not sure if he can repeat this in Rally Sweden,scandinavians are returning for this rally. Last champion Rovanperä is my favourite to win Rally Sweden.
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Old post #267 posted Feb 18th 2024, 13:42:04 Quote 
YES!!

Cmon Esapekka! That was a long wait since 2017, so many heartbreaks and close moments in between but finally another Rally win \o/ This shall be celebrated. #nevergiveup



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I think if they will keep this system,they will tweak some parts at least for future seasons. I don't know if WRC is proactive on mid-season regulation changes but I don't expect this point system to be completely shelved unless someone find the bug of the system straight away in next rallies.

Well not really a bug yet in this second rally, but still a bit funny that a) rally winner collects I assume 2nd or 3rd most points from the rally and b) There's max. 18 points on offer from Thursday's, Friday's and Saturday's 15 stages (239 km) and still max. 12 points on offer from Sunday's 3 stages (61 km). Not to mention if for some reason (eg. someone crashing out) they cancel one of the Sunday's stages, then it's even lower kilometers.

There's not "enough" bugs in it to change it mid-season so I'd assume this year will stay with this system. But they could make the Sundays a bit longer even mid-season as not all the rallies have yet locked their final routes.
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Old post #268 posted Feb 18th 2024, 16:37:53 Quote 
Quote ( Mikko Suhonen @ February 18th 2024,13:42:04 )

Cmon Esapekka! That was a long wait since 2017, so many heartbreaks and close moments in between but finally another Rally win \o/ This shall be celebrated. #nevergiveup


E.P was able to wait for his second rally victory.
It was a long wait but it was definitely all the sweeter. Since Ott did not do well this time, I believe that many Estonian rally fans supported him.
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Old post #269 posted Feb 18th 2024, 21:44:19 Quote 
What a contrast this time compared to Monte Carlo rally. We had rather unexpected results. Nice win from Esapekka and shame for Takamoto,he looked like he could challenge and maybe get his first ever win. He is good around Kenya so next time,he might finally win,who knows :)

Hats off to Adrian Formaux and Oliver Solberg with their performances. Championship favourites had troubled rally,especially Ott Tanak and he is well behind Elfyn Evans and Thierry Neuville now,not good for him.

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