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#1 posted Jun 25th 2010, 11:22:13
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How is the best way of calculating race fuel? I have looked at the race analysis from the last race but I does not give me much indication of MPG. Any help for this is much appreciated thanks.
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#2 posted Jun 25th 2010, 11:22:50 (last edited Jun 25th 2010, 11:23:26 by Jun Ho)
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Read the wiki. It will tell you there.
"From your Race Analysis page you might use the following information to work out your fuel consumption:
Race distance: 300km
Fuel used: 204.2litres
Therefore, with these 2 simple numbers you can work out that you used 0.69 litres per km (204.2litres ÷ 300km), or alternatively travelled 1.47km per litre (300km ÷ 204.2litres).
Perform these simple calculations for every race, and you should soon begin to see a pattern form that will help you estimate your fuel usage."
Quoted from GPRO Wiki
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#3 posted Jun 25th 2010, 11:23:01
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Collect data, that's all that can be disclosed!
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#4 posted Jun 25th 2010, 11:23:24
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Quote ( Philip Tye @ June 25th 2010,11:22:13 )
How is the best way of calculating race fuel?
Your datas is best finding way
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#5 posted Jun 25th 2010, 11:43:07
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Of course you then have to convert kms to miles, and liters to gallons if you want MPG. But that's another history....
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#6 posted Jun 25th 2010, 11:44:57
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Quote ( Philip Tye @ June 25th 2010,11:22:13 )
MPG
Use metrics...much easier.
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#7 posted Jun 25th 2010, 11:46:25
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You could start to search a team :)
Maybe they could help you for some data.
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#8 posted Jun 25th 2010, 11:53:17
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Work it all out in KM per Litre (KM/Ltr), seeing as the track length is measured in KM and your fuel load is measured in Litres, i.e. how far did I get with X amount of litres?
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Quote ( Jake Stothard @ June 25th 2010,11:23:01 )
Collect data, that's all that can be disclosed!
no it's not all that can be disclosed
Just collecting data is not enough. One needs to be able to analyse it aswel.
Clearly in this case tips how to analyse data can be given.
Quote ( Philip Tye @ June 25th 2010,11:22:13 )
How is the best way of calculating race fuel? I have looked at the race analysis from the last race but I does not give me much indication of MPG. Any help for this is much appreciated thanks.
Do check out:
http://wiki./index.php/Race_Analysis
The section "Fuel Consumption" will give you an example how to calculate fuel consumption in km/l or alternatively l/km
It could be easier to familiarize yourself with the metric system instead of going MPG, since the data in GPRO is metric.
It would prevent potential errors in conversions.
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#10 posted Jun 25th 2010, 12:00:07
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#11 posted Jun 26th 2010, 10:22:18
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#12 posted Jun 26th 2010, 10:27:24
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Quote ( Jake Stothard @ June 25th 2010,11:23:01 )
Collect data, that's all that can be disclosed!
Is that a new way of saying FOBY Jake??
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Hey guys, I am going to tack my question on to this as it is somewhat related, rather than start something brand new. Nor could I find something that contained everything I was looking for.
I have my second race coming up in an hour or so, and I am trying to calculate how many laps I can make before my tires get to 0%. And then how many liters it takes to go that distance. So I calculate % per Km and Km/L. Then I know how many Km before I hit 0%, and then calculate how many L I need to go that distance. Am I doing the right thing?
Of course since this is only my second race, I am making a lot of guesses, since this track is very different from the last track. But I figure once I have enough data, I can calculate this for any race.
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That sounds like you have the right idea
Just remember to look at the track information though, as every track has different fuel consumption and tyre wear, so remember to adjust accordingly
Good Luck :)
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Quote ( Jun Ho @ June 25th 2010,11:22:50 ) How is the best way of calculating race fuel?
Since I suck at math I stopped trying to figure it out after my first season but had got to about 5-10ishL error and was proud of that. From then on used websites or excel tools provided by others and fumbled around with the numbers and formulas to see which attributes had an effect :)
Some like to treat fuel and tyres like a closely guarded secret but really they are just two small steps to this very complicated and rewarding game. Good luck!
E: I’m so drunk I responded to 11 year old Jun Ho
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Quote ( William Locke @ July 6th 2021,18:46:06 ) I have my second race coming up in an hour or so, and I am trying to calculate how many laps I can make before my tires get to 0%. And then how many liters it takes to go that distance. So I calculate % per Km and Km/L. Then I know how many Km before I hit 0%, and then calculate how many L I need to go that distance. Am I doing the right thing?
I will add on one potential piece of advice: it might not always be advisable to run the tires all the way down to 0%, especially if it means you'll finish your next stint with tires that are (let's say) 50% worn.
Just as in real-life racing where when drivers start to get "corded" tires and performance falls off, there is a point of wear at which your driver will struggle to keep running fast lap times as the tires wear away. So, sometimes, strategies may be more concerned with extending tire life, and sometimes they are about optimizing tire usage before performance falls away.
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Pay attention to what Greg said. In race, when you see this B in the information grid, that means your tyres are Burning. While Burning, your lap times will very likely increase gradually.
So if you end up doing a 0% first stint and then a 50% second stint, it will probably be a worse trade off than doing 2 similar stints with 25% tyre left each.
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Quote ( Greg Tierney @ July 6th 2021,18:56:13 ) I will add on one potential piece of advice: it might not always be advisable to run the tires all the way down to 0%, especially if it means you'll finish your next stint with tires that are (let's say) 50% worn.
I was debating about doing a race where I let the tires go to 0% before pitting, compared to a race where I let fuel run to 0 before pitting. But I think you just gave a reason to always pit for fuel before tires get below 10%. I was able to change my race config to start with lower fuel to start, then add 10%V more fuel for each successive pitstop. This will let me see how much fuel was optimal before tire degrades too far.
I don't care about winning this season (since I started on Race 11). But I am trying to do a lot of bracketing (Photography terms) to see which numbers give different results in as few races as possible. I know things that change during the race (like temp) might mean I have less accurate info, but I need lots of basic info to start with, and I'll gain more detail next season.
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Quote ( Matías Alloatti @ July 6th 2021,19:30:46 ) that means your tyres are Burning
I always assumed the [ B ] stands for "Bad".
Now I'm imagining several drivers with tyres burning like Ghost Rider, rushing around the track to get to the pits and it's hilarious.
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Quote ( William Locke @ July 6th 2021,19:47:53 ) But I think you just gave a reason to always pit for fuel before tires get below 10%.
I will caution you against absolutes in this game :) Sometimes, there may be instances where stretching the tires to their absolute limits will be quicker than another stop for fuel and tires. When those instances appear will depend a lot on race conditions and your driver & car -- and knowing when that applies only really comes with experience!
Quote ( William Locke @ July 6th 2021,19:47:53 ) But I am trying to do a lot of bracketing (Photography terms) to see which numbers give different results in as few races as possible. I know things that change during the race (like temp) might mean I have less accurate info, but I need lots of basic info to start with, and I'll gain more detail next season.
This is absolutely the correct mindset! And, once you get a feel for the forums and who is helpful & knowledgeable vs. not helpful, I would venture to guess that many of the helpful veteran managers might be willing to nudge you in the right direction here and there, if you reach out to them with a question. (and the mentor program might also help - /gb/forum/ViewTopic.asp?TopicId=20521 )
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Quote ( Matías Alloatti @ July 6th 2021,19:30:46 ) Pay attention to what Greg said. In race, when you see this B in the information grid, that means your tyres are Burning. While Burning, your lap times will very likely increase gradually.
So if you end up doing a 0% first stint and then a 50% second stint, it will probably be a worse trade off than doing 2 similar stints with 25% tyre left each.
I always thought that [-B-] meant "Blistering" on the tyres.
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Now I wonder if there is an official wording for the [-B-]
I always thought it was "Burning". But Jens saying "Bad" and Adrian saying "Blistering" makes me think which one is correct.
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Quote ( Matías Alloatti @ July 7th 2021,01:06:32 ) Now I wonder if there is an official wording for the [-B-]
I always thought it was "Burning". But Jens saying "Bad" and Adrian saying "Blistering" makes me think which one is correct.
I just assumed it meant 'Bald' or 'Bare'.
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Quote ( Matías Alloatti @ July 7th 2021,01:06:32 ) Now I wonder if there is an official wording for the [-B-]
I always thought it was "Burning". But Jens saying "Bad" and Adrian saying "Blistering" makes me think which one is correct.
Keep it simple, B=bad, easier that W of Worn or Wobbling
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B = Banana peel
Thats how slippery those tyres will be.
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From the light race screen
[T] = Technical problem
[P] = Pit
[ S] = Driver mistake
[D] = Retired from the race
[R] = Rain tyres
[ B] = Worn tyres
States what the B stands for, and Ï would believe that not using W is to avoid people thinking of "Wet"
Edit had to add some spaces to avoid BB codes
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Quote ( Richard Robin Paukson @ July 7th 2021,07:56:30 ) B = Brave
Because the driver is brave to continue racing on those tyres?
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