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#1 posted Jan 9th 2012, 23:40:39
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I would like to sign the following driver:
stats doesn't matter
salary 325.000
min signing fee 1.536.000
it is not allowed to offer more than 300% of the salary as signing fee!!!
which sense does it make?
if I lower the the fee he declines.
So I have to raise his salary to sign him, in my opinion this rule makes no sense!?!?!?!
Any advice? Thanks
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#2 posted Jan 9th 2012, 23:43:03
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Quote ( Paul Winter @ January 9th 2012,23:40:39 )
if I lower the the fee he declines
Are you sure ?
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My first think is the 300% rule help to make the market madness a little low :)
By the way, IMO the salary and fee isn't the only think the driver look before sign with a manager.
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#4 posted Jan 9th 2012, 23:44:23
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I thinnk same, that for low salary drivers that 300% isn't enough, but going with whole market, I tjink 400 or 500% would be even good.
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#5 posted Jan 10th 2012, 01:33:11
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Quote ( Mairo Toom @ January 9th 2012,23:44:23 )
I tjink 400 or 500% would be even good.
No.
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#6 posted Jan 10th 2012, 01:41:59
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Look for drivers without offers, no fighting between managers then? ;)
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#7 posted Jan 10th 2012, 05:46:27 (last edited Jan 10th 2012, 05:49:14 by Daryl Gee)
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It makes sense from a game perspective. Otherwise (all) rookie managers could (would) sign low salary drivers they plan on training for two seasons with a 30 m signing bonus.
And just about everyone buying a long term driver would end up doing it (when competing for a driver) so no difference to a 300% cap, except more rookies starting a season with no cash.
Edit. Ah, now done the maths (and read properly)... Try offering below min signing fee and see what happens.
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#8 posted Jan 10th 2012, 08:40:05 (last edited Jan 10th 2012, 08:43:50 by Paul Winter)
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Quote ( Rui Morais @ January 9th 2012,23:43:03 )
Are you sure ?
Yes, I am. I tried it yesterday, I think my offer was: 325.000/fee 975.000 or 1.300.000.
He declined!
Quote ( Daryl Gee @ January 10th 2012,05:46:27 )
Edit. Ah, now done the maths (and read properly)... Try offering below min signing fee and see what happens.
I think you realized what I meant, but I did it already, see above.
I guess that the only thing I can do is to raise his salary, or any other idea?
If there is no other possibility the sense of this rule is ....... since I don't care about signing fee but about salary.
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Quote ( Paul Winter @ January 10th 2012,08:40:05 )
Yes, I am. I tried it yesterday, I think my offer was: 325.000/fee 975.000 or 1.300.000.
He declined!
Could it be that you offered only a few races in the contract? That could cause refusal even if you offer the salary he requested.
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#10 posted Jan 10th 2012, 09:03:38
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Well, I'd consider that a bug. If the game doesn't allow you to offer a signing fee higher than 300% of salary, drivers shouldn't request a fee higher than that as well.
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#11 posted Jan 10th 2012, 09:30:24
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Is this guy already your driver? Or are you trying to sign him? I'm slightly confused as to what you're asking...
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#12 posted Jan 10th 2012, 14:49:50
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Quote ( Sam Dulledge @ January 10th 2012,09:30:24 )
Is this guy already your driver? Or are you trying to sign him? I'm slightly confused as to what you're asking...
I'm trying to sign him.
Quote ( Mattias Svensson @ January 10th 2012,08:57:00 )
Could it be that you offered only a few races in the contract? That could cause refusal even if you offer the salary he requested.
17 Races
Quote ( Krasimir Ivanov @ January 10th 2012,09:03:38 )
Well, I'd consider that a bug. If the game doesn't allow you to offer a signing fee higher than 300% of salary, drivers shouldn't request a fee higher than that as well.
Exactly what I'm thinking!!!
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#13 posted Jan 10th 2012, 15:52:45
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this Daniel of yours is pretty decent. if you cannot sign him this way, you must upper his race salary which i suppose does not make you too happy:D
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#14 posted Jan 10th 2012, 17:42:50
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Did you try reducing fee to 300% salary and at the same time offered him point bonuses?
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Quote ( Krasimir Ivanov @ January 10th 2012,09:03:38 )
If the game doesn't allow you to offer a signing fee higher than 300% of salary, drivers shouldn't request a fee higher than that as well.
Doesn't that only apply to drivers who aren't already asking for more? Which is to say, managers can't artificially (independently) inflate the market, but the drivers (the game system) can set the ask wherever they want?
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hmm....
tried to sign a driver.
he wanted XXXX salary and XXXX signing on fee
offered him XXX and XXX signing (cos thats all it would allow unless i offered him more than he is asking).
i guess im trying to figure out which factor was more unfavourable for the driver. whether he didnt sign because he didnt like being offered XX% less than he asked or if he gulped at being offered nearly half the signing fee that he wanted. or maybe he just fancied giving me the finger for being so cheap in general since i didnt offer him any bonus. i normally only offer XX% or so less than the demands and thats always worked, so i may try again with that, but the signing fee would still be a concern.....unless it doesnt matter.
Surely driver's should, by default, never be asking for more than 300% of the salary they are demanding in the first place, it makes little sense to me since in these instances you cant offer their signing fees without hiking up the salary. which is just encouraging bad management (end of mini-rant).
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Quote ( Stuart Foster @ March 16th 2012,23:18:30 )
hmm....
tried to sign a driver.
so what's your point ?
Are you trying to ask for specific figures for signing a driver ? Surely that's something you should work on with your team.
Or is your intentions to give out specific figures and share your findings on a public forum ?
(wouldn't recommend that)
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#18 posted Mar 16th 2012, 23:34:54
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well, until now i hadn't stumbled upon this problem of a driver asking for a signing fee that is more than 300% greater than I was offering.
my intention is just to avoid paying 400,000 salary just to meet the signing fee expectation. though i get your point about giving out exact %'s. i'll edit those out.
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Quote ( Stuart Foster @ March 16th 2012,23:34:54 )
i'll edit those out.
Even then this is not much of a discussion and seems very much like fishing to me.
EDIT - you have certainly identified a complication in the driver market but IMO there is nothing that does not work perfectly well here.
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#20 posted Mar 16th 2012, 23:40:36
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Quote ( Stuart Foster @ March 16th 2012,23:34:54 )
though i get your point about giving out exact %'s. i'll edit those out.
Good, then I can concentrate on reading what you were actually trying to say :P
Quote ( Stuart Foster @ March 16th 2012,23:34:54 )
well, until now i hadn't stumbled upon this problem of a driver asking for a signing fee that is more than 300% greater than I was offering.
I think I've seen that before, once or twice maybe...
Quote ( Stuart Foster @ March 16th 2012,23:34:54 )
my intention is just to avoid paying 400,000 salary just to meet the signing fee expectation.
Thanks for the clarification. It does help.
I'd say that sometimes a man just gotta do what a mans gotta do :)
$ 400k isn't really that much. Maybe if you really want that driver you should just open up your wallet a bit :)
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#21 posted Mar 16th 2012, 23:53:44
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I would, but i'm fairly tight fisted when it comes to spending cash. I guess I might just have to stretch my wallet open a bit though now since there is only one market left before the first race, a few moths might fly out though!
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I have the same problem. Driver wants salary 370K and and min signing fee 1.600K
How can I sign this driver without increasing his salary up to 540K?
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You might want to try a combination of an increased salary and a decreased signing fee. Be careful though, as it is not guaranteed that he will accept the offer.
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He would still most likely have to raise the salary slightly even in this scenario, so its definitely a small bug that could be fixed I reckon.
Salaries get raised enough in rookie as it is.
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Yup, you would hope that signing on fees drop at a quicker rate than salary when the driver is left in the market. That may already be the case, though I haven't given it much attention to date.
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