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Quote ( Tibor Szuromi @ February 12th 2021,10:47:54 )
The number of players has halved.
What could be the reason for this?
Is there an idea to change the rules to increase popularity?
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It's a pretty broad question below. Which rules are you asking about?...and in which context do you speak about popularity increasing/decreasing?
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Quote ( Tibor Szuromi @ February 12th 2021,10:47:54 ) The number of players has halved.
What could be the reason for this?
Is there an idea to change the rules to increase popularity?
Perhaps newer players are dropping because they feel they can't win a race against who's been here forever? If so, getting rid of the randoms would just make it worse. I've been around for the last 15 races or so, and I can tell it's kinda hard to beat managers that have been plaing for 20 seasons, even in Rookie. And of course it should be! Then again, randoms mimic real life, and they sometimes will spoil a race of two. It happens.
I've been in 15 races and got "problem with steering wheel" and "car touched the wall" or something along those lines while running all alone, no traffic. It happens. Good thing I was going to refuel the next lap anyway, so the wheel malfunction didn't cause much harm. Touching the wall made me finish 3rd instead of second. Big deal.
Not every random will completely spoil a race. Getting rid of them could make it worse, IMHO.
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I believe we should keep the other layout of Sakhir, Indianapolis has 2, why not Sakhir?
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Quote ( Ujaan Dhar @ February 12th 2021,15:10:58 ) I believe we should keep the other layout of Sakhir, Indianapolis has 2, why not Sakhir? I saw how bumpy it is... I don't want 300% underbody wear :(
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Quote ( Josh Clark @ February 12th 2021,15:38:35 ) I saw how bumpy it is... I don't want 300% underbody wear :( soften ur suspension and change the angle of attack accordingly ... I am sure those R n d guys of yours can do it... :)
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Quote ( Jaime Sinclair @ February 12th 2021,14:45:56 ) Perhaps newer players are dropping because they feel they can't win a race against who's been here forever? If so, getting rid of the randoms would just make it worse
I understand your frustration, but maybe you mean non-pure randoms instead (wear based ones). Let's use some inflated numbers to show this. Let's say you (or any new player) is facing 6 very experimented managers in his group. Those managers in total will have 1 pure random in average each 4 races (4% per race * 6 managers = 24%).
This means best case scenario, a new manager will get a freebie each 4 races. In reality lower because non-DNF randoms won't certainly guarantee a won place. Plus mind you, higher experience won't necessarily guarantee better results in Rookie: 6 from the top 8 managers in your group, half of those who are currently promoting, have lower than your threshold of 20 seasons in your example, but anyways.
I don't think a mechanic that ruins many people's seasons, even whole careers (including those of new managers when it's their turn to be unlucky), is worth just because being very generous with numbers that new manager might get 1 free place each 4 races at best. Specially because there is no free lunch: randoms aren't a zero sum game (sunk costs with DNF randoms and randoms that wreck part wear), so even a manager with sub par performance in long term gets hurt by randoms as well.
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Quote ( Jaime Sinclair @ February 12th 2021,14:45:56 )
"Perhaps newer players are dropping because they feel they can't win a race against who's been here forever? "
Perhaps changing the rules so any manager who has reached at least Pro cannot relegate below AMA into Rookie.
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That is a great suggestion. Would deal with a lot of small problems that we complain about.
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This pyramid is designed for twice the number of people.
The basic pyramid should be brought back somehow. There is no fairy tale.
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Quote ( Kristijan Mihovic @ February 12th 2021,13:00:47 ) Again,..simple voting should clear this things once and for all and this is a fact. As around or less than 10-15% of managers state why they are leaving, and they have left already, a vote on this will not be answered by the remaining 85-90% anyway, if not for them having left already then because if they wouldn't post why they were leaving they also won't vote in a poll answering why they were leaving either. If the remaining forum and voting active people are answering the poll it will absolutely not give any indication as to why those 85-90% left either, because only they know and a poll answered by people who don't know why they left is not giving a correct answer. So, not a fact.
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Quote ( Roy Mitchell @ February 12th 2021,17:16:39 ) That is a great suggestion. Would deal with a lot of small problems that we complain about. I could vacation in amateur.
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Quote ( Tibor Szuromi @ February 12th 2021,17:22:24 ) I could vacation in amateur. Many already do, so the change there would be minimal.
But accidentally dropping to rookie, losing staff progress, can be a game ending situation for some.
Quote ( Bruce Stad @ February 12th 2021,17:07:40 )
Perhaps changing the rules so any manager who has reached at least Pro cannot relegate below AMA into Rookie. Exactly, but obviously keeping "rookie reset", so anyone actually wanting to go down and start fresh, could do so.
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Quote ( Jaime Sinclair @ February 12th 2021,14:45:56 ) Perhaps newer players are dropping because they feel they can't win a race against who's been here forever? Maybe they are setting unrealistic goals?
This game has a very steep learning curve, not just when you start playing. I've been here since season 45 and have long resigned ever getting an Elite trophy, as that´s just simply beyond my capabilities as a Gpro manager. But I play this game for other reasons and have several goals. First goal is to have fun... That´s the biggest success of this game imo, I have fun every race. Second goal was to survive in Ama... was very easy in a short amount of time. Then it turned into a goal of winning Ama and the Cup at the same time...success. Next it was to do the same thing with Pro... Success, but much much harder.. Then learn to survive in Pro, without having to dip down to Ama for money..... Very hard and that´s where I am currently..
And hopefully rinse and repeat with added knowledge in Master, with the ultimate goal of getting a single point in Elite.... actually pretty far out right now, but possibly doable in the future :)
Hence, i´m gonna have fun forever in this game, as a point in Elite isn´t happening in the near future.
Fun in a game like this imo, is all about realistic goals and knowing your own limitations... I don´t know about you, but I know F..A.. about Excel and have a very low level math capabilities... Elements, some of the great managers here have in abundance at a high level..
I can´t compete with that, but I can still have great fun within my own limited capabilities. :)
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Quote ( Atli Thor Johannesson @ February 12th 2021,17:45:36 )
But accidentally dropping to rookie, losing staff progress, can be a game ending situation for some. Yes; this is a big positive. It can have a big impact on player retention.
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I think that it is possible to go from rookie to elite in just several seasons like RAAPPMME give or take season or two :)
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Quote ( Kristijan Mihovic @ February 12th 2021,18:37:46 ) I think that it is possible to go from rookie to elite in just several seasons like RAAPPMME give or take season or two :)
Might be doable once you know all the thresholds, and you are lucky enough not to experience a random or two along the way. But by all means, please go ahead and prove us wrong ;)
Being a new arrival to the game, I doubt that a RAAPPMME scenario is possible to do. And then you would have to be able to do so without getting flagged down, as we saw happening quite recently.
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This game could use some more new statistics exactly for this discussion.
Where people are quitting the game more.
Less than 5 races?
After 5 seasons in Rookie?
After promoting to Amateur and failing to retain?
This should make 90% of the quits.
Above Pro?
1%. Perhaps 2%.
Fixing the rich people's problems it's an escape forward. It will be a temporary fix before it gets boring again.
The game is loosing 100+ players a season. The problem is at the gates, not in the penthouse,
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Quote ( Tibor Szuromi @ February 12th 2021,19:39:28 ) Demolish gates. Yes
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What are you talking about? "Gates?" those are thresholds you need to overcome to be successful. You're over thinking the game, mate.
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Quote ( Tibor Szuromi @ February 12th 2021,19:39:28 ) Demolish gates. Bill will be very unhappy once he reads this
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In my opinion the huge barrier of entry is one of the biggest problems in this game. Honestly getting a wonderful mentor is probably the only reason I managed to stick with this game as I was completely lost and didn't even know how to approach the problems the game was throwing at me.
I think if you have a more detailed tutorial that hand holds you through some basic concepts like RoS and race preparation and maybe even having a fake race with bots at the end of it to give you a little bit of a taste of what you can expect and something to use as a starting point for data collection could help greatly.
I can see the benefit from the whole FOBY philosophy, but I feel that FOBY should be the answer to the "what should I do?" questions, and not so much to the "How does this work?" questions. The game has enough depth and strategy to it that it won't lose much if you explain to people how to set up a race. Letting them hit their head in the wall a few times until they manage to get the fuel/tyre usage approximately right causes a lot of people to get frustrated and quit in my opinion.
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Quote ( Roy Mitchell @ February 12th 2021,22:09:13 ) What are you talking about?
I'm talking about what @Ilia Lilov is talking about.
Quote ( Roy Mitchell @ February 12th 2021,22:09:13 ) those are thresholds you need to overcome to be successful.
I've been to Amateur and relegated and I'm still here.
Quote ( Roy Mitchell @ February 12th 2021,22:09:13 ) You're over thinking the game,
I'm thinking about the other and not being the selfish one. Better than under thinking it anyway.
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Our current cup rival on season standings page should be highlighted with purple colour for identifying him quickly.
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Simple free basic setup tool, giving noobs an "idea" of setup settings, varying 10% or more from an accurate setup, so the noobs can "nerd" over tweaking the settings in the practice session before quali. Instead of having no idea whatsoever what to put in there and as a result being ridiculously slow and annoyed.
I really do think such a basic help for noobs, would preserve some players. Not everyone coming here is a number wizard, able to figure this shit out fast. If I hadn't found that external calc shortly after i started, I probably wouldn't have continued playing. Instead I've been a paying customer for 35 seasons.
While those "learning walls" at the start of the game, are very compelling to some noobs (The Roland, Mika etc.. type of math wizards), they can be a bit of a barrier for those who just want to get going and get some better race results.
At the end of the day, this game has a VERY steep learning curve (which is good) however, it might be better (for some noobs at least) to lessen that curve a little bit at the start, just while getting "into" the game.
Because we all know, the simple basic race setup, is not the "hard thing to learn" in Gpro... The real hard to figure out stuff, comes later in the process.....
Hence, we might (quite likely imo) have more new player retention than we currently have, since we apply to a broader range of people at the start.
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Quote ( Niels Van Heijster @ February 12th 2021,19:30:32 ) Being a new arrival to the game, I doubt that a RAAPPMME scenario is possible to do
There is few managers that did this scenario...like Mery Lissarrague from my group for example.
It is true that is more easy with some tools but I think if you know game, without any tool you could go to elite so if you want, you need to be patient and learn. Give yourself time to learn, collect data, enjoy the game and elite should come :)
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Suggestions.
A lot of people don’t have an opinion - they just push the likes. :(
I dare to ask questions:
There were already more than 100 suggestions in the forums How much has the administrator implemented?
How many suggestions did the administrator comment on?
Has the dusty side ever appeared in the suggestions (start)?
I’m not saying that modifications to DE or PHA, or possibly changes to component wear, were unnecessary steps. It's just that no one suggested it.
I know: I'm sensitive. I would expect to receive feedback on the proposals from the administration, sometimes. Is this a big request? My feeling is that our suggestions are falling on deaf ears. Is this good?
Let no man throw me mud or stone at me. In short, this is an opinion on this topic.
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Quote ( Tibor Szuromi @ February 13th 2021,12:49:51 ) There were already more than 100 suggestions in the forums How much has the administrator implemented? Quite a lot of them I think. Majority of the small tweaks or those that don't interfere with previous game (like team treasury) get implemented.
The problem with a lot of suggestions is that they are very broad, require discussion, and everyone has a different view on how it should look like. What do you expect the admins to do about it?
Quote ( Tibor Szuromi @ February 13th 2021,12:49:51 ) How many suggestions did the administrator comment on? I recall the admins saying that they read all the suggestions, but let players discuss themselves.
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