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Old post #31 posted Sep 11th 2013, 19:44:23 Quote 
Okay Rik, you put your cards on the table as will I. Ran 40CT
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Old post #32 posted Sep 17th 2013, 03:19:48 Quote 
It is indeed a balanced group...

I was going to wait for the third race to make this comment, as the sample would be bigger but:

2 races, 12 managers in the points, not that many in negative. Most with fairly reasonable cash balances.

This will be a very interesting group. I do not think the "usual" Amateur rules would apply here. My guess is that by the end of next race we could have something like 16 or so managers with points which will show an overall very balanced group.
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Old post #33 posted Sep 17th 2013, 08:36:49 Quote 
Valencia: What happened to the weather forecast then? Unprdicted temperatures to L12 then rock bottom for rest of race. Unusual?
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Old post #34 posted Sep 17th 2013, 21:13:25 (last edited Sep 17th 2013, 21:24:17 by Robert Jones) Quote 
Can anyone tell me why I pitted on lap 32 ? I was away from the screen.

edit - never mind.
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Old post #35 posted Sep 17th 2013, 22:24:23 Quote 
Well done RJ & RJ great race. It did not quite follow my script. Well done.
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Old post #36 posted Sep 18th 2013, 00:11:42 Quote 
An extra 57 seconds spent in pitlane due to a random to say the least has me a bit frustrated.
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Old post #37 posted Sep 19th 2013, 13:51:36 Quote 
If we look at the group right now Rafal and Robert are almost guaranteed to promote unless they decide not to...

I believe we will have a fight only for the third place.

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Old post #38 posted Sep 21st 2013, 02:57:57 (last edited Sep 21st 2013, 03:26:08 by Robert Jones) Quote 
Well, it feels good to get that monkey off my back. The two previous visits to Singapore where made of the stuff in nightmares. ;)

A bit of advice for guys struggling to retain with around 15 million towards season's end, fight like hell to stay because there's more money to make in Amateur over any season in rookie.
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Old post #39 posted Sep 21st 2013, 15:59:37 Quote 
Congrats for it Robert :)

Janicki couldn't keep the push on this race it seems.
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Old post #40 posted Sep 25th 2013, 11:31:40 (last edited Sep 25th 2013, 11:33:20 by Peter Wilson) Quote 
Well, at least the rain kept off in Hockenheim but I do not think it will be dry in Slovakiaring for very long.
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Old post #41 posted Sep 27th 2013, 18:30:31 Quote 
Today is going to be my semi-push race. I'm going 25 CT risk today after the full 0 CT risks from race 1 on, so please be gentle and let me get some points.
Good luck to everybody.
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Old post #42 posted Sep 27th 2013, 22:50:02 Quote 
DAAAAAMN rain lotery..... And in my country :-(
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Old post #43 posted Oct 1st 2013, 05:55:38 Quote 
Rik, it is sad to know you lost your driver. He was superb. I hope your plan B works well.
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Old post #44 posted Oct 1st 2013, 12:32:07 Quote 
I made one mistake and all that I did for 3 seasons was for nothing. I saw 16 managers tried to get him last night. He went from -300k to 1100k.

I'm just starting over again......

Thank for noticing Edwin!! I was hoping nobody saw ;o)
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Old post #45 posted Oct 2nd 2013, 14:41:12 Quote 
Three driver mistakes cost me a whole lot!! Hoping to aggressively compete in the next race.
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Old post #46 posted Oct 2nd 2013, 15:08:22 Quote 
i had unlucky race.....defect on my car.i could be on podium...damn.
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Old post #47 posted Oct 4th 2013, 15:22:44 Quote 
Did anyone notice when the post race update completed? My cash account changed after midnight. Did it take that long?
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Old post #48 posted Oct 4th 2013, 15:39:28 Quote 
I left after an hour or so and it hadn't happen...

Got back home after about 3-4 hours and it had happened, so... it took between an hour and 4-5 hours to do it :P
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Old post #49 posted Oct 8th 2013, 23:54:40 Quote 
That threw a monkey wrench in my season. Oh well.
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Old post #50 posted Oct 9th 2013, 01:23:22 Quote 
Quote ( Robert Jones @ October 8th 2013,23:54:40 )


That threw a monkey wrench in my season. Oh well.

To be honest, I quite don't understand Janicki's, Nieto's and your season altogether. Top 3 in points by a long shot, but not even in top 10 money, also by a long shot. In my opinion, a promoting manager from amateur should promote with at least 100M, and that is specially true in a new group such as ours. Please don't take offense, because it is your style anyways, but if I was you I'd release the pace since the promotion is almost achieved nonetheless, and by doing so you would make things easier for you and for us.
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Old post #51 posted Oct 9th 2013, 04:53:26 Quote 
Quote ( Robert Jones @ October 8th 2013,23:54:40 )

That threw a monkey wrench in my season. Oh well.


Well. Janicki can still break, the only problem is the tie breaking, cause he will have more wins for sure.

@Edwin: Thee are other things involved in promoting as far as I know and unless you have a VAST amount of money, I don't think it is worthy staying with 100M at any point. Come season end you'll be taxed and send money to the trash while someone who is managing to stay close to 50M will have a better car/pilot and won't lose money in the reset.

Thats my opinion though, No Pro experience here so I might be wrong :P
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Old post #52 posted Oct 9th 2013, 05:15:46 Quote 
That's partially true, Caio. The problem is, whereas a L7 car is almost 90M more expensive han a L5 car, for instance, the L7 car isn't profitable because the maintenance of such a car could be very well higher than 10M for a 20 CT risk race, so it is actually making you lose money unless you intend to degrade it quickly. If the latter, it means you will have such a high level car just for a bunch of races in pro and it is done, so, in that case, a better investment is to have the money in the pocket even if there are taxes.

Granted, some balance is needed. It would be pointless to promote with 100M if your package is bad, but the opposite, promoting with barely no money isn't good either. Actually, if you check the money of promoters in established amateur groups, you can see that the average current money of them is likely higher than 50M, whereas in our group the average of the promoters is just slightly above 20M. Moreover, among the new amateur groups, ours is the one where the top 3 managers have the least money of all, and I think the top 3 in our group are probably the poorest in the whole amateur league.
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Old post #53 posted Oct 9th 2013, 18:14:29 Quote 
Edwin,

I do not think there is a cookie cutter recipe in this game.

The R's are dominating our group, by far, if that rocks their boat so be it...

I agree with you that some money in the pocket once you promote certainly helps it, but I agree with Caio there is a balance to be achieved between saving money but not going overboard and thus not being competitive.

The fact it "makes things more difficult" for the rest of us, it is the nature of the beast.

To be honest I do not like it either, but at GPRO, and I have been here for a long time, it is either accept it or leave.

That is why I gave up searching for FAIR and just try to have a good time.

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Old post #54 posted Oct 9th 2013, 18:22:09 Quote 
Honestly I think the "nothing is certain" part of the game is what keeps me here.

We live in days where every game feels like a giant tutorial up until it's final chapter, you have very little to "discover for yourself" most of it comes with a button that highlightens where you need to go or what you need to do.

So the fact that we don't have that "cookie cutter recipie" is just what diferentiates this game from the rest.
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Old post #55 posted Oct 9th 2013, 18:36:08 Quote 
Don't take me wrong, guys. I'm not complaining about the situation. Actually, if anything, we got very lucky to land in a new group. The thing is, Rafal and Robert have the promotion in their pocket unless something very unexpected happens, so it seems sensible, now that their goal is achieved, to try to promote in the best possible form.

That's why I used the comparison with other groups. Our promoters' financial situation is the worst in all the new groups and it is probably the worst in all the amateur groups (I checked around 30 random amateur groups). Given that, if I were a promoter I'd try to achieve that while at the same time keeping an eye on my situation and the situation of other promoters in the league, because I wouldn't like to be the guy who promoted but had to go back to amateur 1-2 seasons afterwards.
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Old post #56 posted Oct 9th 2013, 18:47:25 Quote 
not taking you wrong Edwin, just making conversation.

Didn't want to come out aggressive if that is how I sounded I'm sorry :P
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Old post #57 posted Oct 9th 2013, 19:10:21 (last edited Oct 9th 2013, 19:13:07 by Peter Wilson) Quote 
Hell of a good question though! Good point. Tough cup draw here.
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Old post #58 posted Oct 11th 2013, 18:35:28 Quote 
Quote ( Peter Wilson @ October 9th 2013,19:10:21 )

Hell of a good question though! Good point. Tough cup draw here.


looks like you lucked it out peter :P
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Old post #59 posted Oct 11th 2013, 18:39:05 Quote 
Quote ( Caio Rebouças @ October 11th 2013,18:35:28 )

looks like you lucked it out peter :P

And your next round seems doable, because López is going low profile these last few races and Nieto is running out of money. It will be hard nonetheless, but easier than defeating Jones. :)
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Old post #60 posted Oct 11th 2013, 18:56:38 Quote 
Quote ( Edwin Silva @ October 11th 2013,18:39:05 )

Quote ( Caio Rebouças @ October 11th 2013,18:35:28 )

looks like you lucked it out peter :P
And your next round seems doable, because López is going low profile these last few races and Nieto is running out of money. It will be hard nonetheless, but easier than defeating Jones. :)


Wish I had jones like this hahahahaha
Car breakdown and not participating, easy win on an otherwise borderline-impossible draw.
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