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Patrick Paarhuis
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Old post #7411 posted Nov 6th 2018, 23:28:51 Quote 
Quote ( Tibor Szuromi @ November 6th 2018,23:22:38 )

Home Page inquiry (Excel datas).


i know you try to help, and i appriciate it but sorry i don't understand what you mean.
can you please write it in a complete sentence.....

is there a database I can load somewhere?, or do I need to gather my own Information and work with that?

and please answer i sentences i understand and not only a few words which gives me more riddles as answers
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Old post #7412 posted Nov 6th 2018, 23:30:46 Quote 
Patrick if you mean is there a file to download for previous historic data, then the answer is no.

If you are a new user of GO then you will only be able to begin amassing data from when you begin using it.
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Old post #7413 posted Nov 6th 2018, 23:33:29 (last edited Nov 6th 2018, 23:36:00 by Patrick Paarhuis) Quote 
Quote ( Graham Mercer @ November 6th 2018,23:30:46 )

Patrick if you mean is there a file to download for previous historic data, then the answer is no.

If you are a new user of GO then you will only be able to begin amassing data from when you begin using it.


thank you Graham

so GO is useless for new players to calculate a Strategy/Pitstops
for other tools to use it you need to pay for it, which i can't
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Old post #7414 posted Nov 6th 2018, 23:37:59 Quote 
Yes Patrick it is of limited benefit for you right now, but you will find GO very useful in the future as you gather more data.

I am sending you a PM which may help.
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Old post #7415 posted Nov 7th 2018, 01:03:49 Quote 
Quote ( Graham Mercer @ November 6th 2018,23:37:59 )

Yes Patrick it is of limited benefit for you right now, but you will find GO very useful in the future as you gather more data.

I am sending you a PM which may help.


Hey Graham any chance, you could please also send me a PM "which may help" :)
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Old post #7416 posted Nov 7th 2018, 01:23:44 (last edited Nov 7th 2018, 01:41:01 by Mikko Heikkinen) Quote 
Quote ( Patrick Paarhuis @ November 6th 2018,23:33:29 )

so GO is useless for new players to calculate a Strategy/Pitstops

Quite the opposite actually. Sure, it doesn't have data for your first race, but after that it starts to have data (if you upload it to it) and it starts to help.

If you install GO now, you can get data from your previous race (R8) which you can immediately use in GO for Race 9 preparation.

Claiming that it's useless is just disrespectful towards the people who have spent countless hours in making GO for free to use for all.

Quote ( Patrick Paarhuis @ November 6th 2018,23:28:51 )

do I need to gather my own Information and work with that?

Yes. And "GO" makes it easy for you to do just that.

Just click "online -> Get data" and it downloads your data. You're not entitled to others' data
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Old post #7417 posted Nov 7th 2018, 01:31:21 Quote 
Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ November 7th 2018,01:23:44 )

Claiming that it's useless is just disrespectful towards the people who have spent countless hours in making GO for free to use for all.


Quoted for truth.
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Old post #7418 posted Nov 7th 2018, 09:52:17 (last edited Nov 7th 2018, 09:54:52 by Patrick Paarhuis) Quote 
Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ November 7th 2018,01:23:44 )

Claiming that it's useless is just disrespectful towards the people who have spent countless hours in making GO for free to use for all.


wasn't meant disrespectful towards the creators of the tool, but when i read from other poeple it help them alot at the beginning i wonder .... how can a tool be helpful if you haven't got any data, you first need to find all the data out by yourself (race-setup, fuel, etc.) before the tool can be effective ....and because as a newby you don't know the details of the game it isn't helping ... and for NOW the tool isn't helping me because i don't have Data to work with.... that is what i meant with useless.

so instead of bashing on it right away, try to ask what is meant when somebody write something and you don't understand it.
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Old post #7419 posted Nov 7th 2018, 11:59:45 (last edited Nov 7th 2018, 12:02:18 by Mikko Heikkinen) Quote 
Quote ( Patrick Paarhuis @ November 7th 2018,09:52:17 )

and for NOW the tool isn't helping me because i don't have Data to work with.... that is what i meant with useless.

But you have already done races this season.

You will have data NOW is GO if you want it so and it can be helpful NOW.

And you could have more data in it, had you used it more. IF you dont' use it, then it does NOT gather the data for you (specially for free).


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so instead of bashing on it right away, try to ask what is meant when somebody write something and you don't understand it.

I think I understood perfectly that you were asking for other data accumulated by other people like you were entitled to it for free

Think about it it a bit... why would your competition just hand their data over to you ?
Does Ferrari give data to McLaren ? Or if a new team starts in F1 they can't just get all data Ferrari has accumulated over the years.

Doesn't matter If you're King of a country or if you live with government benefits in real life, you're not entitled to get everything for free. You have to do your part yourself.

GPRO is free and GO is free, but bottom line is everything is not done for you. (where would the fun be in that)

IF you dont' use GO, then ofc. it's useless but not by design, then it's because you don't use it.

If that is bashing... I'm sorry... but it's also just the facts of life that You're not entitled to get everything done for you for free

Sorry... for the revelation
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Old post #7420 posted Nov 7th 2018, 12:23:50 (last edited Nov 7th 2018, 12:28:28 by Mikko Heikkinen) Quote 
I may have gone a bit overboard with that, but the bottom line is that GO is a useful data gathering & strategy tool which you get for free, however it does not come with data.

You have to provide the data yourself by uploading regularly.


Quote ( Patrick Paarhuis @ November 7th 2018,09:52:17 )

but when i read from other people it help them alot at the beginning i wonder ....

Oh, I might see now a bit clearer... This may be due the perception of "at beginning".

Might be that you were thinking about the very first race, instead of "during first season" (or first seasons).

To put some perspective into it, GPRO is more long term than a sprint. In the scope of several seasons, the first race (or first 3 races) don't really matter all that much.
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Old post #7421 posted Nov 7th 2018, 13:23:03 (last edited Nov 7th 2018, 13:51:10 by Patrick Paarhuis) Quote 
Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ November 7th 2018,11:59:45 )

Quote ( Patrick Paarhuis @ November 7th 2018,09:52:17 )

and for NOW the tool isn't helping me because i don't have Data to work with.... that is what i meant with useless.
But you have already done races this season.

You will have data NOW is GO if you want it so and it can be helpful NOW.

And you could have more data in it, had you used it more. IF you dont' use it, then it does NOT gather the data for you (specially for free).


Quote ( Patrick Paarhuis @ November 7th 2018,09:52:17 )

so instead of bashing on it right away, try to ask what is meant when somebody write something and you don't understand it.
I think I understood perfectly that you were asking for other data accumulated by other people like you were entitled to it for free

Think about it it a bit... why would your competition just hand their data over to you ?
Does Ferrari give data to McLaren ? Or if a new team starts in F1 they can't just get all data Ferrari has accumulated over the years.

Doesn't matter If you're King of a country or if you live with government benefits in real life, you're not entitled to get everything for free. You have to do your part yourself.

GPRO is free and GO is free, but bottom line is everything is not done for you. (where would the fun be in that)

IF you dont' use GO, then ofc. it's useless but not by design, then it's because you don't use it.

If that is bashing... I'm sorry... but it's also just the facts of life that You're not entitled to get everything done for you for free

Sorry... for the revelation


so listen up my finnish friend.... I am new to this game, i found this Tool so i thought i try it out, beside this one i found another tool (ToolB) with held data to help, but Tool B you need to pay for it and unfortanutly i am not able to affort it, due to my physical state i have other costs that are more priority as a Tool for a game therefor i thought with Go there was something missing (like that Database) I NEVER EVER ASKED ANYONE if he could send me a database..... SO BACK OFF !!

and where does the mugello data, help me at interlagos? different track, different distance, different weather, different setup.

You might play this game already for a long time and maybe even spend money for it, i am fine with that, I can't (explained it) so what are YOU F*cking THINKING to come at me like that, you don't know jack about me and judging me on a question?

from my point of few now i hope you lose every race (and yes i am pissed off)
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Old post #7422 posted Nov 7th 2018, 14:22:26 (last edited Nov 7th 2018, 14:22:50 by Mikko Heikkinen) Quote 
Quote ( Patrick Paarhuis @ November 7th 2018,13:23:03 )

and where does the mugello data, help me at interlagos? different track, different distance,

Because they have the same ratings

Fuel consumption: Medium
Tyre wear: Medium


Data is gathered on per km bases, so the total distance difference is irrelevant, when you adjust it to race length.

With that you already get some level of accuracy, and the more races you do (and upload the data to GO) the more data you get in go and the more accurate you get.
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Old post #7423 posted Nov 7th 2018, 14:55:23 (last edited Nov 7th 2018, 14:56:08 by Patrick Paarhuis) Quote 
Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ November 7th 2018,14:22:26 )

Quote ( Patrick Paarhuis @ November 7th 2018,13:23:03 )

and where does the mugello data, help me at interlagos? different track, different distance,
Because they have the same ratings

Fuel consumption: Medium
Tyre wear: Medium


Data is gathered on per km bases, so the total distance difference is irrelevant, when you adjust it to race length.

With that you already get some level of accuracy, and the more races you do (and upload the data to GO) the more data you get in go and the more accurate you get.

well nevermind anymore i figure it out myself or find some other tool that helps me,but I am done with you
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Old post #7424 posted Nov 7th 2018, 15:10:03 (last edited Nov 7th 2018, 15:10:37 by Mikko Heikkinen) Quote 
Quote ( Patrick Paarhuis @ November 7th 2018,13:23:03 )

beside this one i found another tool with held data to help, but you need to pay for it

And where do you think that pre-populated data comes from ?

It comes from other managers, which it then sells forward to other users. (so maybe without realizing it, you did ask for others' data)

There you're not paying for the data gathering tool, you're paying for the data the tool has harvested.

Quote ( Patrick Paarhuis @ November 7th 2018,13:23:03 )

i thought with Go there was something missing (like that Database)

GO is free, and there is no data harvested from other managers.

It does not sell you other managers data nor does it sell your data to others
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Old post #7425 posted Nov 7th 2018, 15:38:45 (last edited Nov 7th 2018, 15:39:23 by Patrick Paarhuis) Quote 
@Mikko Heikkinen i said i'm not interested in your answers anymore, so stop digging for a response, this is my last one towards you.

I feel like i am put on a stand because i asked 1 simple question and you run over me like a freight train so to put it clear LEAVE IT, and LEAVE ME ALONE stop Quoting me.
unfortunatly you can't be blocked
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Old post #7426 posted Nov 7th 2018, 16:40:39 Quote 
Quote ( Patrick Paarhuis @ November 7th 2018,15:38:45 )

@Mikko Heikkinen i said i'm not interested in your answers anymore

Well then... isn't it good that the reply wasn't intended only for you :)

Others might find it beneficial too to find out the differences of GO and other "tools", and the way GO is useful.

I wish all the best for you in your future races.
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Old post #7427 posted Dec 7th 2018, 14:27:15 Quote 
Hi everyone,

I'm rewriting a tool like Gpro Organizer for the community and take to make old GO data aviailable for this tool.

I think it missing me some informations that i can't found, the history of tires suppliers, and history of track data changes.

For the others improvments (like boost laps), i can adapt myself on parsing past setups for various managers if you want to be in a future beta test version.

This datas are "necessary" to help parse old data, else i've to adapt myself to each errors encountered, this can help me to save a lot of time in developement !

Cheers :)
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Old post #7428 posted Dec 7th 2018, 14:41:41 (last edited Dec 7th 2018, 14:44:24 by Tibor Szuromi) Quote 
/gb/SuppliersHistory.asp

/gb/ViewAnnouncements.asp :(
/gb/ChangeLog.asp :(
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Old post #7429 posted Dec 7th 2018, 14:53:01 Quote 
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/gb/SuppliersHistory.asp

Greatfull for Suppliers history, i've never see it before ^^

Quote ( Tibor Szuromi @ December 7th 2018,14:41:41 )

/gb/ViewAnnouncements.asp
/gb/ChangeLog.asp

For tracks changes, this is not accurate, but evntually i can see with Vlad or Jukka if they can make a track change history !
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Old post #7430 posted Dec 7th 2018, 15:02:01 (last edited Dec 7th 2018, 15:04:23 by Tibor Szuromi) Quote 
After S24 changes (Laps):

1. Jyllands: 80 - 136; S66R3
2. Indioval: 80 - 200; S65R2
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Old post #7431 posted Dec 7th 2018, 15:19:19 Quote 
There've been very few track-specific changes, these are the ones I have noted (might be more):

Fiorano S23 - Car parts wear changed 'to make it more realistic' than the first two races
Kaunas - The S32 race didn't have 'reference laptime' set correctly so laptimes were unrealistically large, afterwards it was fixed
Yeongam S22 - Got 'redesigned'. I think just setup values changed to stop them being too extreme /gb/forum/ViewTopic.asp?TopicId=16162
Indianapolis Oval S65 - Laps increased 80 to 200
Jyllands-Ringen S66 - Laps increased 80 to 136

Lots of other game-wide changes affect all tracks in more important ways though..
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Old post #7432 posted Dec 7th 2018, 15:46:57 (last edited Dec 7th 2018, 15:52:16 by Sébastien Boulanger) Quote 
Quote ( Roland Postle @ December 7th 2018,15:19:19 )

There've been very few track-specific changes, these are the ones I have noted (might be more)

Thanks Roland for your answer, but i speak of tracks characteristics like laps, PHA, dowforce etc...

Car wear and references times are not be accurate, but i appreciate the time you spend to answer me ^^

I'll try looking like GO, not GProAnalyzer and giving to everybody formulas.

The keys, collecting, analyzing, but not "solve" all problems :)
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Old post #7433 posted Dec 7th 2018, 16:32:23 Quote 
Quote ( Sébastien Boulanger @ December 7th 2018,15:46:57 )

tracks characteristics like laps, PHA, dowforce etc...

I know:
it has not changed since S25.
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Old post #7434 posted Dec 7th 2018, 16:40:34 Quote 
Thanks Tibor ;)
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Old post #7435 posted Dec 7th 2018, 16:43:55 Quote 
Grip: after S27
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