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Should the hidden tyre brand@season start be expanded to M and Pro?
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Topic: Undisclosed tyre selection *Expanded* |
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From my point of view, this feature (undisclosed tyre selection @ season start) is a success! I know i apreciated to be able to combine real life events with a fair decision (equally informed) on tyre brand when it was introduced. Now that i play in master i envy elites for having this feature, since i would like to get tests and qualifications going, without revealing my tyre brand.
And yes, i know there is an original topic, but we need a new poll for this! :)
EDIT: I see a spelling mistake in the 5th option, that i cant edit.
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#2 posted Mar 10th 2016, 16:52:03
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I was going to open this up myself later. Well put. I'm all for this.
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#3 posted Mar 10th 2016, 16:53:03
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i honestly reckon it should be extended to pro as well as master, but thats just personal preference xD
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#4 posted Mar 10th 2016, 16:53:14
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I would love this, it would create a more individual choice of tyres by Managers
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#5 posted Mar 10th 2016, 16:53:33
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Quote ( Kyle Morris @ March 10th 2016,16:53:03 ) i honestly reckon it should be extended to pro as well as master, but thats just personal preference xD
+1
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#6 posted Mar 10th 2016, 16:55:45
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I agree with Matti tbh, its certainly fairer to do this for the benefit of those in less than favourable time zones who can't be online CET timing.
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#7 posted Mar 10th 2016, 17:00:35
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Extending it can only be a good thing IMO
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Not only for benefit of those outside CET I should add - but also those within CET who even are able to be online for the right moment. For example, some players like qualifying (or at least running practice laps) early so they can get a feel for their pace. The Pre-R1 situation we have now kinda puts managers on a back foot in that regard, since you can't even run a practice lap til you chose your tyre of course.
So, for the benefit of planning and preparation it is also a positive move if ALL manager's in all Elite/Master and Pro feel able to take the game at the pace and preparation of their own choosing, instead of feeling like they have to take steps in the dark somewhat :)
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Actually this is worst ever feature ever invented. Increases shooting in the dark. And stright to the elite level.
Answer 2, no other choice.
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#10 posted Mar 10th 2016, 17:10:29
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Quite a majority seems to disagree you with you already Daneks :)
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#11 posted Mar 10th 2016, 17:13:24
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Quote ( Stuart Foster @ March 10th 2016,17:10:29 ) Quite a majority seems to disagree you with you already Daneks :)
What exactly it changes? People like to get benefits based on random luck. So what?
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Quote ( Daneks Britāls @ March 10th 2016,17:13:24 ) People like to get benefits based on random luck.
Quote ( Stuart Foster @ March 10th 2016,16:55:45 ) its certainly fairer to do this for the benefit of those in less than favourable time zones who can't be online CET timing.
Or people dont like to get benefits from those in less than favourable time zones away from them? :)
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Quote ( Daneks Britāls @ March 10th 2016,17:13:24 ) What exactly it changes?
It reduces part of the advantage currently enjoyed by those who are available at certain time of the day.
Quote ( Daneks Britāls @ March 10th 2016,17:13:24 ) People like to get benefits based on random luck
How is it based on random luck? its not like you click a randomise button :p
You are still responsible for your decisions
I think what you mean is you(and others) enjoy getting benefits from being in the right timezone and not having to be anywhere else at the key times :-)
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Quote ( Ahmet Sonverdi @ March 10th 2016,17:19:25 ) Or people dont like to get benefits from those in less than favourable time zones away from them? :)
Exactly right too.
I mean, you are able to run a practice lap whenever you like for 16 races of a season and not have to show your hand on the Q table over a minimum 70 hour period. But, before R1, you can't do that until you told the world part of your plans. For me, its as equally about consistency as it is fairness to time zones. Manager's who are both outside favourable time zones or who like being able to prepare, should not be disadvantaged before the first race or feel like they have to prepare differently than what they normally would in order to avoid handing an advantage to those in favourable time zones, or who prefer planning late.
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Not only that Stuart, but it actually benefits managers who are able to think for themselves as to what the best tyre choice is - rather than either following everyone else, or deliberately picking something different to get an advantage in a specific race / weather.... (once they have seen everyone else's choice)
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#16 posted Mar 10th 2016, 17:34:21
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#17 posted Mar 10th 2016, 17:36:25
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43 ppl think yes to this already. :-)
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#18 posted Mar 10th 2016, 17:38:13
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Yes from me. Why it can be applied at Elite and can't at Master and Pro too? I am curious on this.
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#19 posted Mar 10th 2016, 17:40:07
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I think they were testing it with Elite and it seems to have worked remarkably well.
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#20 posted Mar 10th 2016, 17:40:49
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Just earlier on I was feeling extremely smug about being able to qualify whenever, instead of having to plan tomorrow around a 15 minute stress-session
Equal rights for Master & Pro players!
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#21 posted Mar 10th 2016, 17:43:28
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we could try extending it to master and the judge about pro..
if top-3 tyres have to be excluded from pro options then we should also try this for pro :)
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#22 posted Mar 10th 2016, 17:45:15
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I'd extend it to Master but not sure about Pro simply because the newer members have an awful lot to learn without landing that on them as well.
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#23 posted Mar 10th 2016, 17:49:39
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Quote ( Daneks Britāls @ March 10th 2016,17:13:24 )
What exactly it changes? People like to get benefits based on random luck. So what?
I'm not on benefits so can't be online 5 minutes before the start of the race, why should people like me be disadvantaged?
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#24 posted Mar 10th 2016, 17:50:00
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questions for everyone please.
Thank you.
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Quote ( Ioannis Dimitroglou @ March 10th 2016,17:43:28 ) we could try extending it to master and the judge about pro..
if top-3 tyres have to be excluded from pro options then we should also try this for pro :)
That would not be the worst idea anyway IMO :)
Also on that subject I have always thought it would nice to have a tyre choice in ammy not of the current tyres but something similar level as pipi's and and same price as pipi's but that uis a top for another day/thread :)
Quote ( Mark Wright @ March 10th 2016,17:45:15 ) I'd extend it to Master but not sure about Pro simply because the newer members have an awful lot to learn without landing that on them as well.
I must say that is perhaps the biggest argument against it
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#26 posted Mar 10th 2016, 17:51:19
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Master = yes
Pro = no
Why?
Pro is the first time after promo from Amateur to pick a tyre supplier, let's not add the hidden element to that.
Master yes, would be nice I guess
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#27 posted Mar 10th 2016, 17:58:22
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Quote ( Niels Wolters @ March 10th 2016,17:51:19 ) Master = yes
Pro = no
Why?
Pro is the first time after promo from Amateur to pick a tyre supplier, let's not add the hidden element to that.
Master yes, would be nice I guess
I am disagree with you. GPRO is a type of strategy game, if you manage to plan a good strategy and race setup then you have the greatest chances to get the good positions during the race. There is nothing relate with first time after promo from Amateur or what. What wrong if add this feature to the Pro too? They can't learn if this feature had been added? It is a joke man.
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#28 posted Mar 10th 2016, 17:58:57
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I don't see any reason Pros should have a difficult time handling hidden tyres now the brands are stable, they can look at past seasons and see what normally gets picked
But if it is a problem perhaps the aggregate brand counts for all Pro groups could be kept visible so they can get a feeling for the likely make up of their group's picks without seeing every individual one. Basically these stats, but in a more visible place: /gb/Stats.asp?type=tyresuppliers#scroll
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#29 posted Mar 10th 2016, 18:03:24
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I actually think it's fine the way it is.
Your tyre choice in Master and Pro is far less likely to be influenced by others than in Elite, and your tyre choice won't be influencing others either. If there's more than 3 going for promotion, then in Master and Pro you can make up for your tyre choice in other ways whereas if you're going for the top of Elite, tyre choice is far more important.
Hiding the tyre choices also increasing high cost tyre numbers which is good for Elite, and bad for Master and Pro.
My opinion of course.
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#30 posted Mar 10th 2016, 18:04:43
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And as someone who did his first Pro season last season I have to ask, what do you fear that happens to new Pro players? That we are too stupid to make own decisions? Or that we are too stupid to find out what players in our group used in previous season? I can't really understand what problems you see if it's hidden in Pro.
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