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Old post #1 posted Jun 2nd 2017, 09:32:46 (last edited Jun 2nd 2017, 09:58:47 by Ioannis Kalogirou) Quote 
- After the miracles with the live Race screen,
...The series of live Qualifying tests, is coming quickly.!!!
- Naturally these must be open to all, so that everyone can see and enjoy the New Age for our Game. !!!

Suggestions:
1. The attempts at Q1 to be more than 8 (and cheaper)
2. add similar efforts and to the Q2. !!!!
3. In Live Screen we can see the Lap (2 obviously with the entrance lap)
...that will look like in the Race, with the timer running in the locked Label.
...that will appear and the aura of our Car, where it will be ...with the Perfect Time.!!!!
...the Max speeds on All the corners must Remain on the Track.!!!

- These are enough for the moment...
...Dear Jukka Sireni, you have a lot Work yet to do.!!!
...if we can Help You anywhere, just ask it.!!!

- Good Day from Beautiful Sithonia/Chalkidiki/Greece.!!!



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Old post #2 posted Jun 2nd 2017, 09:39:12 Quote 
Good suggestions!
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Old post #3 posted Jun 2nd 2017, 10:05:41 Quote 
More than 8 attempts at Q1? How many do you want?
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Old post #4 posted Jun 2nd 2017, 10:14:19 (last edited Jun 2nd 2017, 10:20:01 by Ioannis Kalogirou) Quote 
Quote ( Jon Day @ June 2nd 2017,10:05:41 )

More than 8 attempts at Q1? How many do you want?


- It's Not the Point of the Theme, dear Jon, but I'll answer.
...for me Personally I Need Only One (just in case), because I have Create a total Weapon with everything Need every Race.-

- So More Attempts Help All the Managers (who are not Mathematicians) to Build his car, ENJOY the precision and Move AT LAST the Game to the Next Level.!!!
...and Naturally Will attract many more new players and Supporters.-
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Old post #5 posted Jun 2nd 2017, 10:26:35 Quote 
Quote ( Ioannis Kalogirou @ June 2nd 2017,09:32:46 )

3. In Live Screen we can see the Lap (2 obviously with the entrance lap)
...that will look like in the Race, with the timer running in the locked Label.
...that will appear and the aura of our Car, where it will be ...with the Perfect Time.!!!!
...the Max speeds on All the corners must Remain on the Track.!!!

Kinda like this idea :D
Could also do the same for Testing then ;)
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Old post #6 posted Jun 2nd 2017, 10:56:44 Quote 
Just why?

Practice laps are purely there to get setup, wing split and TCD (if needed) figured out. Most people will have a calculator that gets them within a few points of perfect already (so your 'weapon' is hardly unique)
All you want is the RESULT of the practice lap.

Even my 5yo son would get bored of watching ONE car go round a track on its own after about 3 laps, let alone any grown up.

Not to mention that for 'realism' you would need an in and out lap for each practice lap - surely no-one is seriously going to waste their time to watch 3 laps (so 3-5 minutes) multiplied by up to 8 practice laps, plus 2 qualifying laps (so up to 30 laps in total = 30+ mins) when they can just click through their laps under the current format in < 1minute?


This really would be a total waste of time and effort for Vlad / Jukka to implement.


And as for the 'let's have more practice laps' - any new player who spends 5 minutes googling Gpro and how to setup their car can get a very good setup (within 4 points of perfect for all parts) within the current 8 laps.
So let's dumb the game down shall we by allowing them more laps (for no real purpose)?
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Old post #7 posted Jun 2nd 2017, 11:00:10 Quote 
Quote ( Robin Goodey @ June 2nd 2017,10:56:44 )

Even my 5yo son would get bored of watching ONE car go round a track on its own after about 3 laps, let alone any grown up.


mine 2 years old would even bored :)

live screen needs more ''important'' developments before those i think.

Sorry Ioannis
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Old post #8 posted Jun 2nd 2017, 11:03:49 Quote 
...Dear Robin,
You can have the results at the moment, like Now.!!!
...don't see the live Lap.!!!!!

- Many New maybe they want to see.!!!
...it's a good Way to attract Players and Supporters.!!!
...but you don't care about that so much...

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Old post #9 posted Jun 2nd 2017, 11:07:00 Quote 
Quote ( Ioannis Kalogirou @ June 2nd 2017,11:03:49 )

- Many New maybe they want to see.!!!
...it's a good Way to attract Players and Supporters.!!!
...but you don't care about that so much...

Maybe they want to see it once, or twice,but then it gets repetitive and boring, like Robin said, people would quickly get bored because there`s hardly any on-track action, like the race has. The new live race screen looks good, but I think they should stick to race only.
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Old post #10 posted Jun 2nd 2017, 11:10:14 Quote 
Quote ( Ioannis Kalogirou @ June 2nd 2017,11:03:49 )

.it's a good Way to attract Players and Supporters.!!!


even only the name of this ''live screen'' would enough to atract players to have supporter :)
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Old post #11 posted Jun 2nd 2017, 11:18:34 (last edited Jun 2nd 2017, 11:19:21 by Ioannis Kalogirou) Quote 
- Onur.!!!
...lets see to the future.!!!

- The Next Step is to see the Race from the Eyes of the Drivers or Everything else we like put the cameras.!!!!
...then and the Q maybe are in One specify Hour (like race) and we do all together.!!!
...but NOW we have and New Data on the Race.!!!! ...speeds on the corners, and maybe have Interesting with Live Q to improve That better than Now.!!!

Good Day from Sithonia.!!!
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Old post #12 posted Jun 2nd 2017, 11:22:16 Quote 
Quote ( Ioannis Kalogirou @ June 2nd 2017,11:18:34 )

...then and the Q maybe are in One specify Hour (like race) and we do all together.!!!


Not a chance.
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Old post #13 posted Jun 2nd 2017, 11:24:35 Quote 
Quote ( Ioannis Kalogirou @ June 2nd 2017,11:18:34 )

- The Next Step is to see the Race from the Eyes of the Drivers or Everything else we like put the cameras.!!!!
...then and the Q maybe are in One specify Hour (like race) and we do all together.!!!

Where did you get this from? And there will never be a certain hour for all managers to qualify, like in today`s F1, because GPRO is played by people from all around the world, living in different timezones. (iirc, the race takes place early in the morning in Australia, for example).

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Old post #14 posted Jun 2nd 2017, 12:05:06 Quote 
Quote ( Marius Ruţa @ June 2nd 2017,11:24:35 )

And there will never be a certain hour for all managers to qualify, like in today`s F1, because GPRO is played by people from all around the world, living in different timezones. (iirc, the race takes place early in the morning in Australia, for example).


- Marius my boy.!!!!
...there are Solutions for everything.!!!
- simply must have 2 or 3 Q-Hours to be Happy all the Zones.!!!!

- The EVOLUTION never STOP.-

- Maybe I am 62 Years Old but I Work like 22.!!! ...and in a Few Years I ll Give my Weapon to Robin sun ...to win Easily his Father.-
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Old post #15 posted Jun 2nd 2017, 12:19:47 Quote 
Quote ( Ioannis Kalogirou @ June 2nd 2017,12:05:06 )

...there are Solutions for everything.!!!
- simply must have 2 or 3 Q-Hours to be Happy all the Zones.!!!!

Sorry Ioannis, but no, 2-3 hours aren`t enough for everyone, would you wake up in the middle of the night just to qualify? Or do you just assume that in the eventuality of such nonsense being implemented, that qualifying would take place at a suitable hour for us Europeans?

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Old post #16 posted Jun 2nd 2017, 12:35:02 (last edited Jun 2nd 2017, 12:59:27 by Ioannis Kalogirou) Quote 
- Different Hours I mean Marius, with +8:00 ...the one from the other.!!!
...so be Ok all the World.!!!
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Old post #17 posted Jun 2nd 2017, 12:37:03 Quote 
Could show the already qualified drivers on practice/qualification with faded liveries(or just the fastest until that moment). Then there may be some excitement...
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Old post #18 posted Jun 2nd 2017, 12:39:53 (last edited Jun 2nd 2017, 12:40:12 by Jukka Sireni) Quote 
Quote ( Panayiotis Gkaintatzis @ June 2nd 2017,12:37:03 )

Could show the already qualified drivers on practice/qualification with faded liveries(or just the fastest until that moment). Then there may be some excitement...


Unless there was some updates to the qualify engine to simulate the lap in more parts, you would see quite soon where you are going to end up.
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Old post #19 posted Jun 2nd 2017, 13:43:36 Quote 
I kinda like the idea of having a live qualifying session.

Just as you have to log in a certain time for markets to bid one could do the same for qualifying.

Just think of all the possibilities available, you send your car out for a flying lap and their are other cars on track. Boom lap wasted.

I remember playing a few years ago where you had 3 stints to qualify within an 1/2 hour. It was up to you how to use it. This always used to cause an upset somewhere along the line. Where stronger drivers waited and waited and suddenly went out due to time pressure and track was full of cars. Bang that buggered up his qualifying position.

Now there are no restrictions and 99% of time strongest qualify up front. To me presently there is no fun or anticipation in quali's.

New qualifying feature I would support for the game.
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Old post #20 posted Jun 2nd 2017, 13:48:54 Quote 
Quote ( Peter Peyper @ June 2nd 2017,13:43:36 )

Just as you have to log in a certain time for markets to bid one could do the same for qualifying.


Markets happen once in 2 months for TD's and maybe even less for drivers, but qualify is twice every week. And technically you don't need to be there at the market time.
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Old post #21 posted Jun 2nd 2017, 18:44:18 Quote 
Quote ( Jukka Sireni @ June 2nd 2017,13:48:54 )

Quote ( Peter Peyper @ June 2nd 2017,13:43:36 )

Just as you have to log in a certain time for markets to bid one could do the same for qualifying.

Markets happen once in 2 months for TD's and maybe even less for drivers, but qualify is twice every week. And technically you don't need to be there at the market time.


I agree Jukka, but I only used that as an example that you have to do it at a certain time, maybe not a very good example to use :-) Couldn't think of another example to use :-)
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Old post #22 posted Jun 2nd 2017, 19:29:15 Quote 
Quote ( Peter Peyper @ June 2nd 2017,18:44:18 )

Couldn't think of another example to use


Exactly. Because nothing in GPRO requires you to be online during a certain time frame, except the live race, where you have no influence on anything. The game was made so it'd be fair to everyone, no matter what time zone you live in.
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Old post #23 posted Jun 2nd 2017, 19:43:27 Quote 
+1
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Old post #24 posted Jun 2nd 2017, 23:07:11 Quote 
There should never be an advantage to being online in the game.

But I would suggest simulating qualifying after qualifying is closed.
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Old post #25 posted Jun 2nd 2017, 23:36:10 Quote 
I believe real Qualifying has more than 1 lap and more than one sessions. So like this ideal. More realistic.
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Old post #26 posted Jun 2nd 2017, 23:45:16 (last edited Jun 2nd 2017, 23:47:22 by Graham Mercer) Quote 
Quote ( Peter Peyper @ June 2nd 2017,13:43:36 )

Just as you have to log in a certain time for markets to bid one could do the same for qualifying.

This is one element of GPRO that I disagree with, though I don't have an alternative to offer.
It is a big advantage to those looking to hire driver/TD if they are in a timezone that is compatible with staff market closure times.

As for the live qualifying - no thanks :(
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Old post #27 posted Jun 3rd 2017, 00:21:48 Quote 
Quote ( Ioannis Kalogirou @ June 2nd 2017,09:32:46 )

The attempts at Q1 to be more than 8 (and cheaper)


8 is enough, in fact as you mention many people have a tool to do so without the need of any laps (although most don't have the slightest idea how that tool works). No need for more laps and the price is good. In fact I would prefer a fixed price for qualifying in a way that those that have a tool don't have an economic advantage.

Quote ( Ioannis Kalogirou @ June 2nd 2017,09:32:46 )

In Live Screen we can see the Lap (2 obviously with the entrance lap)


And spend 3 to 6 minutes for every lap, just to see my car do the out lap, the fast lap and the in lap, no way, if for research purpsoses you need all 8 laps that would take over an half and hour for the qualy.

Quote ( Ioannis Kalogirou @ June 2nd 2017,09:32:46 )

...that will appear and the aura of our Car, where it will be ...with the Perfect Time.!!!!

Are you implying that you will get a glow when you have a perfect setup? That ruins the game,most tools are not that perfect.

Quote ( Ioannis Kalogirou @ June 2nd 2017,09:32:46 )

the Max speeds on All the corners must Remain on the Track.!!!


Do you realize that the speed is simulated and has nothing to do with the real spped at all?. Jukka made a process that accelerates and decelerates the cars and simulates speeds but it still shows speed of up to 120 kms in the Montecarlo haripin (where real life cars do 48 kms/hr) and overtakes can occur at over 400 kms per hour (fastest than any F1 car has ever reached) so the information is useless.

Quote ( Ioannis Kalogirou @ June 2nd 2017,11:18:34 )

...then and the Q maybe are in One specify Hour (like race) and we do all together.!!!


No way! not even as you mention at 8 hour intervals it is too fixed and might not allow many people to participate, in fact I would leave the game, and so will many supporters. The appeal to this game is that you don't have to be online at certain hours to play this game.

Quote ( Ioannis Kalogirou @ June 2nd 2017,09:32:46 )

- These are enough for the moment...
...Dear Jukka Sireni, you have a lot Work yet to do.!!!


There is still a lot of ironing to do with the live screen, why put the load on Jukka?

Quote ( Ioannis Kalogirou @ June 2nd 2017,09:32:46 )

...if we can Help You anywhere, just ask it.!!!


For isntance, why don't you learn how to program and try to develop all that you have mentioned?
Or even think twice about making proposals that will only benefit you or some.?
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Old post #28 posted Jun 5th 2017, 16:05:04 Quote 
Quote ( Christopher Jones @ June 2nd 2017,23:36:10 )

I believe real Qualifying has more than 1 lap and more than one sessions. So like this ideal. More realistic.

My thinking. More realistic definitely.
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Old post #29 posted Jun 5th 2017, 16:54:16 Quote 
I think that, more importantly than a live qualifying screen, it would be that you could change your strategy during the race if you are live. This essentially gives an advantage to people who could watch the race but I think this is fair: you can send a driver to boxes and refuel live, changing strategy on the go and depending on the circumstances... imho that would be a great plus!
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Old post #30 posted Jun 5th 2017, 16:57:25 Quote 
Quote ( Daniel Rosa @ June 5th 2017,16:54:16 )

This essentially gives an advantage to people who could watch the race


You answered the reason why this would be a horrid desicion

What about people that work during the race? Or people that live in asia and australia and can't watch the race? Because they can't watch the race they are in a worse situation as they can't change anything

And besides, the race script is already run before you watch the race. You are effectively watching a replay live
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