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In the future sexual harrassment will probably be even trying to talk to someone. Though maybe nobody will talk in the future so it won't matter.
Kids on tablets these days....younger than even 7 year olds are spending +3 hours a day on them. Silent.
Social skills are going out the window, sad to say.
At least political correctness won't be a thing of the future when all the words people want to say won't be spoken.
Human kind of the future will be nil by mouth.
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Quote ( Ben Harris @ February 2nd 2018,23:32:40 )
Getting rid of grid girls is not some magical solution which will end this, its purely a very very small steps in the right direction.
But shouldn´t women decide for themselves? If women really thought this was a problem, then stop taking the job....
When nobody takes the job it will disappear
As much as I agree with the rest of your text, I believe people should choose for themselves.
This is like banning all ego shooters because of some crazy guys gone mad. It is not the shooters that make some people to go shooting everybody, because if it was then i know lots of people that should be shooting people, including myself.
Same goes to these guys who think the can do with a grid girl (or similar) what they want. It is not the victims fault that some people think the can take advantage of it! So making the victim disappear will not change anything
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Quote ( Gordon Douglas @ February 2nd 2018,23:38:26 )
But shouldn´t women decide for themselves? If women really thought this was a problem, then stop taking the job....
When nobody takes the job it will disappear
As much as I agree with the rest of your text, I believe people should choose for themselves.
This is like banning all ego shooters because of some crazy guys gone mad. It is not the shooters that make some people to go shooting everybody, because if it was then i know lots of people that should be shooting people, including myself.
Same goes to these guys who think the can do with a grid girl (or similar) what they want. It is not the victims fault that some people think the can take advantage of it! So making the victim disappear will not change anything
Yes, they should have a choice. In an ideal world, it would be a job which both men and women would be able to perform equally, with no risk of any kind of any reproduction of views on a different role for men and women. Banning is the simpler approach
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Quote ( Sam Norris @ February 2nd 2018,22:26:57 ) Quote ( Cameron Halsall @ February 2nd 2018,22:13:33 )
If there are less women in higher paid positions, the average difference in pay between men and women will increase in favour of men.
That is the way things are now, and the way they have always been, and the way it should always be, without insane SJW interference. Women do not choose highly paid areas, they have babies, all of this and more has a necessary impact.
THERE IS NO GENDER WAGE GAP! It is 'earnings' gap and for the reasons mentioned. Go watch the Jordan Peterson vs Cathy Newman debate.
Sorry to inform you that I was using feminist talking points to debunk feminist talking points. But apparently some humans don't understand what the word "average" means.
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Quote ( Michal Szopinski @ February 2nd 2018,22:58:42 ) What's next, the cheerleading squads get axed? Maybe ban models on the catwalk because some guys get a bit "excited"? A bunch of skinny girls in clothes that sometimes don't leave much to the imagination. No more Victoria's Secret shows; those girls are objectified by men worldwide! Hell, why don't magazines ban models from their pages? In fact, any images of women should be banned! I know, why don't we just have all women trash their clothes and go wearing burkas? We can't have guys looking at girls' legs! Oh, wait, that's female oppression in a male-dominated society, so we're told.
So what does political correctness lead to?
Man you are so woke buddy.
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the new f1 sucks !!
go back to usa liberty media
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Quote ( Ben Harris @ February 2nd 2018,22:50:13 ) Quote ( Cameron Halsall @ February 2nd 2018,22:05:23 )
First of all, there have been grid guys in the past. Second, the whole point of a model is to be chosen for looks and not intelligence, and actually I would say that interpersonal skills are critical to any job; in this case it is known as fan interaction, which is the secondary purpose of grid girls. It's part of the fun. Third, given by the number of models complaining about not having a job anymore, I'm damn well sure they're being listened to. Why else would they bother complaining? Lastly, nobody has the right to deny someone a job because it would have a negligible effect on the job market. Each individual job is statistically significant, and if jobs are being lost on the petty whim that some people are offended by a bit of fun, then we have a problem.
Sorry for the rant, but I think it's justified given the number of soy boys who don't understand economics on this thread.
Firstly, no need to throw round insults, I'm fine with a constructive argument, obviously not everyone will agree with me. Would like to point out my understanding of economics is sound though.
So I googled grid guys, seems they tried it once in Monaco 2015. Did it work no, this is because men run the show, they make the decisions, grid guys did not satisfy their 'desires' so didnt make the cut.
Second, their interaction is looking nice for the camera. You don't see grid girls, interacting with fans , singing or dancing (at least broadcast). This is because they aren't there as a human to display skills that they possess, they are there as an object for the camera. At least this is how they are seen on T.V. broadcasts which is how the majority watch F1.
Finally on your this is just taking away jobs for women point. Right what Ill say here is sure in the short term you lose what at most a couple of hundred jobs in the global grid girl industry. But as you will know there is a very real gender pay gap and its not because there is a fundamental difference which make men better than women.
The reason for this is the production of a patriarchal society, men seen as rational and the leader, women the opposite. Grid girls, is an example of how this is reproduced, (even if this is subconscious/unintentional). This is because the women in this situation is just something to look at, they aren't there to speak or perform skills, purely to be seen, by men. So, the decision here is made by men to have grid girls for men's entertainment. Meaning the man is the dominant character while the woman is submissive this dominance, to become this object of desire. Reinforcing the view that men have the power and women do what they want. Obviously, there is the grid girls are paid to do it, but for me this money transfer can just be seen as a form of men exerting this power. The result a reproduction of the patriarchal society.
Eliminating this difference in societies view between the genders is key to eliminating this pay gap. When men and women are seen on equal terms, there is no reason for a pay gap. Unless you want to argue that men are categorically and biologically superior, which you can, happy to explain why I think that's also not true.
I hope Kirsty doesn't mind me taking one of her trademark catchphrases...
Uhhh...
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Quote ( David Andrewartha @ February 2nd 2018,22:44:24 ) Quote ( Cameron Halsall @ February 2nd 2018,21:54:40 )
Since when did we get to decide what careers women can and cannot have, on the basis they might offend someone else by being employed?
You've got it in one there mate, whether you want to ogle fine ass or defend their right to work you are still right.
Did Brad Pitt get all his early roles because he was such a fine actor back then (admittedly, he's good now), or because the ladies were going to pay good money to get moist watching him in the cinema? Really, what's the difference? Sexy sells and always will.
I mean, my MGTOW friends object to the evils of gynocentrism, but I have no problem with the laws of economics being applied to sexytime.
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If anyone hasn't earmarked this thread for next season's Oscars already, they should. This is hilarious.
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Quote ( Ben Harris @ February 2nd 2018,23:32:40 ) does this mean you deny that men and women in general are viewed differently and that our society is not still sexist?
I.. can't.... even....
Newsflash - men and women ARE different. In this case you are specifically arguing that the majority of the viewership being men should see GridBoys as just as attractive. Is this some kind of traps aren't gay joke?
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Damn, i will just need to watch porn and F1 at the same time
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Yeah, Rush was a good movie.
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If it makes anyone who likes grid girls feel better, the BTCC has confirmed that they will keep grid girls.
So Stuart just has to wonder down to Knockhill and he'll be fine :)
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:)
Edit: On second thoughts have you seen Scots girls?
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Quote ( Stuart McIntyre @ February 3rd 2018,00:41:41 ) Damn, i will just need to watch porn and F1 at the same time
Living the dream Stuart, living the dream!
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watching Cameron attempt to be coherent while talking in circles makes me want to play mafia..
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Quote ( Stuart McIntyre @ February 3rd 2018,00:57:55 ) On second thoughts have you seen Scots girls?
Most of them would be English, because each grid girl in BTCC is a member of the team of the car they stand in front of. They travel to all the races and do other promotional stuff with the team other than just standing in front of a car.
In other words, they aren't just paid to 'look pretty' as some here seem to think grid girls are.
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Quote ( George Slater @ February 3rd 2018,01:56:21 ) In other words, they aren't just paid to 'look pretty' as some here seem to think grid girls are.
Can you get ugly girls to do the same job? oh wait that wont work
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It's just a marketing decision. Grid girls make the sport look dated & stuck in the last century. That's hard to sell.
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Last century my ass, most of this generation is driven by looks, it don't matter how you can sing for example, do you have the look? That sells.
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Quote ( Stuart McIntyre @ February 3rd 2018,02:00:25 ) Quote ( George Slater @ February 3rd 2018,01:56:21 )
In other words, they aren't just paid to 'look pretty' as some here seem to think grid girls are.
Can you get ugly girls to do the same job? oh wait that wont work
Combined with:
Quote ( Stuart McIntyre @ February 3rd 2018,00:41:41 ) Damn, i will just need to watch porn and F1 at the same time
Pretty sure we watch the same F1. Not so sure about the porn ;)
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Quote ( Jay De Snoo @ February 3rd 2018,02:21:24 ) Pretty sure we watch the same F1. Not so sure about the porn ;)
I don't do gay porn, sorry
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Quote ( Stuart McIntyre @ February 3rd 2018,02:00:25 ) Can you get ugly girls to do the same job? oh wait that wont work
Being good looking gets you further in most other jobs too, due to the halo effect if nothing else.
Just wait until the uglies rise up and demand equality like other disadvantaged groups have done. It won't be pretty :)
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Kirsty may get to elite then.
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Quote ( Stuart McIntyre @ February 3rd 2018,02:15:49 ) Last century my ass,
Yeah a sport that wants project itself as modern & innovative but looks just the same as it was in the 70's. No wonder it was getting harder to sell.
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F1 in the 70's was great :)
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In my opinion the removal of grid girls is just sad and shows how racing is continuing to degrade. Racing is about more than just cars going around a track. It's a culture, a way of life, so it disgusts me to see politics bleed into it like this, we need not just grid girls to come back, but our whole sport
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Getting rid of the Grid Girls is the American way of saying..we will do as we please and destroy F1 until it is behind the ratings of IndyCar. The sissy racing sport where you stop when it is raining and race once the sun is out. So it will go until F1 is History.
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it aint the end of the world guy's an girls, frank warren the boxing promoter is refusing to get rid of walk on girls, so if u want to see some beutiful ladies, watch boxing, just saying, lol
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Quote ( Joshua Michael @ February 3rd 2018,08:16:46 ) IndyCar. The sissy racing sport where you stop when it is raining and race once the sun is out.
Indycar actually races in the wet, just not on ovals. And their is good reason to not race in the wet on ovals, as the danger of aquaplaning increases with speed. So going over 230 mph into turns 1 and 3 at Indy with the water streaming down the banking would be a pure lottery as to whether the car makes it out intact. There's only so much skill can do when the tyres are no longer in contact with the racing surface.
As for calling Indycar a 'sissy racing sport' I don't have much to say other than I find it more than a bit disrespectful to the memory of Dan Wheldon and Justin Wilson, the two drivers who have lost their lives in an Indycar in the past 7 years.
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