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Topic: [Mafia] (Game Over) Truth and Justice |
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Ivelin, if there's no doubt in your mind that Riley is town ?
You know why I'm asking ?
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Let's say we vote each other if you're convinced he's town. You 100% sure he won't be hammering in a matter of seconds ?
Please, answer.
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Of course there is doubt. I cannot be 100% sure (*wink*) that either of you is town.
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Quote ( Damir Hictaler @ December 11th 2018,20:47:22 ) Let's say we vote each other if you're convinced he's town. You 100% sure he won't be hammering in a matter of seconds ?
Please, answer. If he’s scum, he will.
But we can’t end the day with no lynch as if’s an automatic win for scum.
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Quote ( Ivelin Dobrev @ December 11th 2018,20:48:21 ) Quote ( Damir Hictaler @ December 11th 2018,20:47:22 )
Let's say we vote each other if you're convinced he's town. You 100% sure he won't be hammering in a matter of seconds ?
Please, answer. If he’s scum, he will.
But we can’t end the day with no lynch as if’s an automatic win for scum.
Did I say anything about ending day with no lynch ?
Just stop making things up.
OK, we wait for Riley.
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I didn’t say you did. Just making things clear.
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Have given this some serious thought and I don't see myself changing my mind
Ivelin puts forward some seemingly good arguments but it is all a bit cool and logical
There just seems more passion from Damir
Call it gut instinct
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Either way, I have to say that despite being bloody annoying, rude and obstinate, and extremely Cameron-ish, Damir has played well IMO
If he is scum he has played it very well and it would be a deserved win. If he is is town, his reads were good (other than thinking that I am scum early on of course!)
I'm ready to vote
I don't see Damir changing his mind about his vote
So unless Ivelin wants to try and spend some time persuading Damir that I am scum, shall we do this?
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Quote ( Ivelin Dobrev @ December 11th 2018,19:39:25 ) Your words Riley, not mine.
Incidentally on this...
Yes, but I have been wrong enough times this game. I was wrong about Tom, I was wrong about Harsh.... so I am likely to be wrong about this too! I am not proud of my play this game :)
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OK.
Would you like that I instantly hammer, or we wait for Ivelin and maybe some explanation?
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Oops... wrong smiley... should have been :(
Of course, I could be wrong about Damir, I accept that, but on balance and looking at everything, my vote is going to Ivelin
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Quote ( Damir Hictaler @ December 11th 2018,22:48:34 ) Would you like that I instantly hammer, or we wait for Ivelin and maybe some explanation?
Seems rude not to let him respond to what I have said. I know I did not go into in depth analysis here, but I have in my head. And he may want to respond to my conclusion
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Quote ( Riley Dunlop @ December 11th 2018,22:47:16 ) Quote ( Ivelin Dobrev @ December 11th 2018,19:39:25 )
Your words Riley, not mine.
Incidentally on this...
Yes, but I have been wrong enough times this game. I was wrong about Tom, I was wrong about Harsh.... so I am likely to be wrong about this too! I am not proud of my play this game :)
LOL if you flip scum ... OK I guess I'll congratulate you.
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Quote ( Riley Dunlop @ December 11th 2018,22:49:39 ) Quote ( Damir Hictaler @ December 11th 2018,22:48:34 )
Would you like that I instantly hammer, or we wait for Ivelin and maybe some explanation?
Seems rude not to let him respond to what I have said. I know I did not go into in depth analysis here, but I have in my head. And he may want to respond to my conclusion
OK, agree.
Also I didn't want to defend today, IMO Ivelin had to make a move, I can't blame him for tying to win.
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Quote ( Damir Hictaler @ December 11th 2018,22:53:09 ) Also I didn't want to defend today, IMO Ivelin had to make a move, I can't blame him for tying to win.
I thought I would be defending and you would be deciding. Hence my comment in #1409
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Quote ( Riley Dunlop @ December 11th 2018,22:55:14 ) Quote ( Damir Hictaler @ December 11th 2018,22:53:09 )
Also I didn't want to defend today, IMO Ivelin had to make a move, I can't blame him for tying to win.
I thought I would be defending and you would be deciding. Hence my comment in #1409
In a way I'll be deciding, because, I want to hear Ivelin once more.
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The only thing that is left for him is to make you scum in my eyes, or to make me scum in yours (but he tried that).
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I am confident it’s Damir, so I guess town will lose.
Do whatever you want, seems impossible to change your mind.
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Riley, explain how Kirsty would forget me in her reads??
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I’m gonna think more about this.
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Damir, convince me you’re town. I really don’t see it atm.
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Quote ( Riley Dunlop @ December 11th 2018,22:39:43 ) Ivelin puts forward some seemingly good arguments but it is all a bit cool and logical
There just seems more passion from Damir
Call it gut instinct Is that really what makes you decide?
Do you think I actually would make up this case on purpose to use?
If I was scum, it doesn’t make sense to try to convince you, I would have more chance to try to convince Damir you’re scum. You both agree on that.
Yeah, I know it’s WIFOM. As you can see, it doesn’t work well for me and I would be aware of that.
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Quote ( Ivelin Dobrev @ December 12th 2018,04:16:59 ) As you can see, it doesn’t work well for me and I would be aware of that. if I was scum ofc..
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Quote ( Ivelin Dobrev @ December 12th 2018,04:12:26 ) Damir, convince me you’re town. I really don’t see it atm.
Why? From D-1 I was a suspect based on nothing.
What were those scummy signs at 1st place?
Be real, it's insane IMO that you seriuosly consider me scummy after all my behaviour, reads, interaction with Kirsty, choice of targets made by scum.
If you honestly believe this is how I would play, please vote me.
I think everything has been said, we can only repeat our POV.
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Quote ( Ivelin Dobrev @ December 12th 2018,04:08:59 ) Riley, explain how Kirsty would forget me in her reads??
Quite easily. If she was compiling a list of fake reads picking up pro-scum and pro-town points that could be highlighted it would be quite easy to not actually have her real scummate on that list as she would not be analysing your posts so much. And then when posting her lists easy to forget to include you. I can see that happening.
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Quote ( Riley Dunlop @ December 12th 2018,15:16:57 ) And then when posting her lists reads easy to forget to include you. I can see that happening.
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Quote ( Ivelin Dobrev @ December 12th 2018,04:16:59 ) If I was scum, it doesn’t make sense to try to convince you, I would have more chance to try to convince Damir you’re scum. You both agree on that.
Because that is what we would both have been expecting. Like I said, I was expecting to have to defend myself today, not to be the one who had to make the decision. I was actually a bit resigned to it and was not going to argue about it for hours. The way I saw it, it was just for Damir to make his decision, hence my initial post of the game day
IMO you had to do something different and rather than convince Damir who was dead set on your lynch, convince me that my read on Damir as town was wrong. After all, my read is largely based on the fact that I just don't believe Damir would have played this way as scum. If I a wrong then we need to watch out for him in future games. As I said previously, if I am right and he is town he has played well too
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Quote ( Ivelin Dobrev @ December 12th 2018,04:16:59 ) Is that really what makes you decide?
No, as I said, I have analysed it all and whilst I have not gone through everything here in detail my conclusion is that Damir is more likely to be town than you. My gt feeling is on addition to that
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Anyway, Ivelin, you have had your right of reply. I can't see things changing in my thinking but on balance I think you are more likely to be scum
Damir, you may hammer - either way you win, so congrats!
##vote Ivelin
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Oh and Ivelin, either way you lose - either with me or against me - sorry!
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