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#61 posted Feb 18th 2019, 20:03:23
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I think it's unnecessary to chew on this.
I appreciate Ioannis's ambition.
I know: In this "genre" there can be no perfect creation.
Considering a hypothetical case (CT; Driver; Car) can be estimated. Based on this, approximate data can be given.
This is a "good game". Why trouble?
(Planning, re-planning - that's how I work. I think everyone just guesses, because we don't know the necessary data - weather, ... - for strategy, tactics.)
This is a "good game". Why trouble?
Appreciate the intention!
If it makes sense?
Can do better! :)
(Sorry: I didn't read everything.)
Go Ionnas!
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#62 posted Feb 18th 2019, 20:08:34
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Quote ( Roland Postle @ February 18th 2019,18:26:34 ) In any case I for one would be interested if you compile a list with each season's calendar score.
/gb/forum/ViewTopic.asp?TopicId=26903&PostId=4088511#post4088511
Doesn't include the past 10 seasons but it gives a good picture. It makes the season 70 calendar look very average in terms of expenses.
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#63 posted Feb 18th 2019, 22:04:03
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I forgot about that, so the 'archive' only needs updating.
Quote ( Stefan Voggenreither @ February 10th 2017,15:14:41 ) Looks like the calendars are getting too cheap lately :P
And this explains why we've had a string of super-expensive calendars since then :P
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#64 posted Feb 18th 2019, 22:10:32
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Don't forget! Parts wear increased. After S63.
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Quote ( Roland Postle @ February 18th 2019,22:04:03 ) I forgot about that, so the 'archive' only needs updating.
If someone likes to update that post: just give me the missing values and I will update it. I am just far too lazy nowadays to do it myself :)
And again to the topic whether a season is cheap or not - back to the explanation of Ioannis:
Quote ( Ioannis Kalogirou @ February 8th 2017,19:02:47 ) ..from ......to
18,64 ...25,72 Very Cheap (0)
25,72 ...32,80 Cheap (1)
32,80 ...39,88 Normal (2)
39,88 ...46,96 Expensive (3)
46,96 ...54,04 Very Expensive (4)
Just because I indeed tried lately to bring on more cheap calendars, it does not mean that you should shift now the categories :P This calendar is now again more in the "normal area" of the scale and I already try to avoid real expensive ones. At least by that scale. If you are all happy about it - I did not verify so far whether that scale is indeed correct or not. :) (but it seems to be, otherwise there would have been more discussion about it, no?)
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Quote ( Tibor Szuromi @ February 18th 2019,22:10:32 ) Don't forget! Parts wear increased. After S63.
Parts wear didn't increase. The formula was changed and this means that in some circumstances parts wear may be more than it used to be, or it could be less than it used to be.
Of course managers get mad when parts are worn more than they expected and don't notice when parts wear less than expected, that's human nature to look at loses as greater than equivalent gains.
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Stefan!
Season calendar.
Make a calendar for everyone's satisfaction! This is the solution and there is no discussion! :)
Quote ( George Slater @ February 18th 2019,23:15:38 )
Parts wear didn't increase.
Prove it!
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Quote ( Tibor Szuromi @ February 18th 2019,23:20:50 ) Stefan!
Season calendar.
Make a calendar for everyone's satisfaction! This is the solution and there is no discussion! :)
Quote ( George Slater @ February 18th 2019,23:15:38 )
Parts wear didn't increase.
Prove it!
OMG!
Tibor you asserted first, it is not for George to respond to your demand.
Debating rules 101 :-
*. He who asserts must prove. In order to establish an assertion, the manager must support it with enough evidence and logic to convince an intelligent but previously uninformed person that it is more reasonable to believe the assertion than to disbelieve it. Facts must be accurate. Visual materials are permissible, and once introduced, they become available for the opponents' use if desired.
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#69 posted Feb 19th 2019, 00:09:01
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Quote ( Tibor Szuromi @ February 18th 2019,23:20:50 ) Prove it!
This is from the season 64 announcement:
In order to allow for races to have more than 80 laps at some tracks, we have modified the part wear formula for this season. Your old data will still be valid, but you may expect very slight deviations from it for future races.
I'm not going to get into data on the forum, but you must expect that Vlad, who unlike all of us non-admins actually has the formulas and not just an estimate of them, to know what he is talking about when he speaks of minor deviations. And from what I have seen that is indeed the case.
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#70 posted Feb 19th 2019, 00:13:07
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A calendar for everyone's satisfaction? How about Indianapolis Oval 17 straight times? That'll satisfy Tibor.
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@George.... I don't think we talk in full % points per lap just a few 0,x % per lap
all counted together over 60-75 laps in might get nasty but we all have that problem, no one has a benefit from it
but who am I..... just a Rookie in his 3rd season, so no knowledge on how it was before
oh and a Calender that will satisfy us all? no chance because someone always has a problem with some kind of circuit, as far as it goes for me, I'm fine withthe Calenders but as said previous.... just a rookie in his 3rd season 😉
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#72 posted Feb 19th 2019, 00:26:57
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Quote ( Patrick Paarhuis @ February 19th 2019,00:18:36 ) I'm fine withthe Calenders
I must say that, I prefer "Calendars" :)
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#73 posted Feb 19th 2019, 00:29:04
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Quote ( Stefan Voggenreither @ February 18th 2019,23:08:24 ) If someone likes to update that post: just give me the missing values and I will update it. I am just far too lazy nowadays to do it myself :)
This is based on what Ioannis has posted in each of the season calendar topics.
59 34.2
60 33.4
61 31.2
62 39.7
63 32.55
64 32.43
65 35.84
66 31.23
67 37.30
68 30.37
69 32.26
70 36.02 |
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#74 posted Feb 19th 2019, 00:41:40
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Quote ( Jasper Coosemans @ February 19th 2019,00:29:04 ) This is based on what Ioannis has posted in each of the season calendar topics.
Thanks a lot Jasper, but since I noticed that Ioannis did not always calculate the correct sum, I looked now at my old spread sheets... :-/ :D (When it comes to stats, I am somewhat fussy)
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#75 posted Feb 19th 2019, 00:47:14
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Quote ( Stefan Voggenreither @ February 19th 2019,00:41:40 ) I noticed that Ioannis did not always calculate the correct sum
Wot !
Quote ( Mike Bennett @ February 18th 2019,23:59:04 ) Debating rules 101 :-
*. He who asserts must prove.
:)
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#76 posted Feb 19th 2019, 00:59:49
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Just for example season 66:
Quote ( Ioannis Kalogirou @ July 22nd 2018,17:28:11 ) Calendar 66 Season (by IBK Cost Scale)
cost No Track ......... P H A
2,23 .1 Estoril ............ 11 8 14
1,82 .2 Oesterreichring 19 14 9
0,00 .3 Jyllands-Ringen 5 9 4
2,54 .4 Imola ............ 12 13 9
2,67 .5 Spa ............... 18 16 13
1,36 .6 Grobnik .......... 8 15 7
2,50 .7 Monza ............ 17 12 9
0,64 .8 Ahvenisto ........ 5 10 7
2,19 .9 Magny Cours ... 12 8 11
0,84 .10 Brands Hatch . 10 12 8
2,00 .11 Singapoore .... 11 11 16
3,65 .12 Indianapolis ... 10 9 11
1,72 .13 Brasilia .......... 16 15 7
2,33 .14 New Delhi ...... 11 15 10
1,56 .15 Sochi ............. 8 15 18
1,82 .16 Yeongam ....... 11 15 13
1,36 .17 Suzuka .......... 11 18 13
31,23 ...it's the chipper Calendar for a long time (Cal 65 it was 35,80, almost 2 strong Races Wears Up)
He has listed here Singapore with 2.0, but it should be 1.42 instead according to his list :) Therefore the sum is also incorrect.
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#77 posted Feb 19th 2019, 01:12:31
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Quote ( Stefan Voggenreither @ February 19th 2019,00:59:49 )
He has listed here Singapore with 2.0, but it should be 1.42 instead according to his list :) Therefore the sum is also incorrect.
Q.E.D :)
#Stefanmyhero
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Quote ( Pablo Gutierrez @ February 17th 2019,22:34:55 )
What means the cost of the season? Somebody can explain me that?
Pablo, that means more often changing - upgrading parts and testing.
edit: double click to quote
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Quote ( Stefan Voggenreither @ February 19th 2019,00:59:49 ) He has listed here Singapore with 2.0, but it should be 1.42 instead according to his list :) Therefore the sum is also incorrect
- Thanks Stefan for your comments.!!!
...I am not good to English and this is big problem to me for public talk.
...This Happen because Wright Wrong the Singapoore.!!! ""Singapore" and my program Shaw another Track.!!! (PHA 11 11 16 = Silverstone ).!!! ...I correct it later.!!!
Quote ( Roland Postle @ February 18th 2019,18:26:34 ) It is a little bit mathematically arbitrary because you've based it on certain skills/CT/part levels, and we all have those different and different calendars even cause us to make different decisions about those things, but that's all unavoidable.
- Ronald the parameters of level parts or Skills are not effect the final list because the lost when we devise the Costs of the tracks to have a analogical List.!!!
...of course we have a little problem with the Extra wears of CTR from different part levels but that's only to the Cost Number of the millions of the tracks.!!! ...not effect the analogical costs between 2 Tracks.!!! ...so the Total sum of the Season it's Completely Right 100% for Every Manager Himself.!!!
...as about the testing cost its another Theme.!!! ...its an extra cost of everyone.!!!
:)
Good Morning from Beautiful Sithonia/Chalkidiki/Macedonia/Greece.!!!
...after 30 years Now our North Neighbors (Skopia) have the Right Name.!!! ...NORTH MACEDONIA.!!! ...Macedonia with out surname it's Only Greek.- :)
...fix it please and to the National Liveries.
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#80 posted Apr 21st 2019, 21:22:11
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Quote ( Ioannis Kalogirou @ February 17th 2019,18:35:38 ) - Thanks Stefan.
The IBK Cost Track Scale.
cost No Track ............. P H A
1,75 .1 Baku City ...... 18 8 16
1,56 .2 Sochi ............. 8 15 18
1,36 .3 Suzuka ...... ... 11 18 13
1,42 .4 Singapore ...... 7 11 17
3,37 .5 Barcelona ...... 11 13 8
1,26 .6 Mugello ......... 11 13 12
3,27 .7 Bucharest Ring . 8 6 8
1,30 .8 Bremgarten ..... 8 26 17
1,92 .9 Monte Carlo ...... 7 7 12
2,54 .10 Imola ........... 12 13 9
3,01 .11 Interlagos ...... 12 9 10
1,32 .12 Austin ............ 11 18 10
2,40 .13 Montreal ......... 12 7 13
1,45 .14 Adelaide ......... 8 9 10
2,15 .15 Kyalami .......... 9 12 9
3,38 .16 Irungattukottai . 8 12 7
2,54 .17 Paul Ricard ....... 9 11 8
36,02 ...It's Expensive Season.
1,48 testing Fuji ........... 13 11 8
..from ......to
18,64 ...25,72 Very Cheap (0)
25,72 ...32,80 Cheap (1)
32,80 ...39,88 Normal (2)
39,88 ...46,96 Expensive (3)
46,96 ...54,04 Very Expensive (4)
I think must normal.
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#81 posted Apr 21st 2019, 21:28:19
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Quote ( Yakup Paçacı @ April 21st 2019,21:22:11 ) I think must normal. There: Beautiful Sithonia / Chalkidiki / Macedonia / Greece.
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#82 posted Apr 21st 2019, 21:33:07
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Quote ( Ioannis Kalogirou @ February 19th 2019,04:55:09 ) Good Morning from Beautiful Sithonia
every Septembar I am coming back to Sithonia and beautiful wild beaches near Sarti.
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Uaaaaaaaaaal, good lock to everyone
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