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#31 posted May 14th 2019, 21:16:08
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Hi Harno,
I did check my points, and they are correct except in stage 1. You didn't give points for the most combatif driver in stage 1, and it was Roglic who won those points that day. And the most combatif in stages two and three are wrong.
Combattività di tappa :
stage 1 : Roglic stage 2 : Cima , and no Ciccone. stage 3 : Demare , and no Hatsuyama. stage 4 : Cima
http://www.giroditalia.it/it/classifiche/?tpp=58137
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#32 posted May 14th 2019, 23:18:57 (last edited May 14th 2019, 23:24:34 by Harno Lé)
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1- Carapaz (+100) 2- Ewan (+75) 3- Ulissi (+60) 4- Ackermann (+50) 5- Sénéchal (+40) 6- Roglic (+30) 7- Conti (+20) 8- Lopez (+15) 9- Demarre (+10) 10- Yates (+5)
Sprint :
1-Cima (+30) 2- Fraporti (+20) 3- Mestri (+10)
1. Maestri (+30) 2. Cima : (+20) 3. Frapporti : (+10)
Mountain :
1. Frapporti : (+30) 2. Maestri : (+20) 3. Cima : (+10)
Best combatif : Cima (+50)
Rosa : Roglic (+25) Ciclamen : (+25) Azzurro : (+25) Bianco : (+25)
Classement stage :
Damien Heuvel 310 Upeo Unaozidi 305 József Györfi 290 Harno Lé 270 Dimitri Van Leent 230 Pascal Baumbauer 210 Mikko Suhonen 185 Kuba Szajbel 150 Mairo Toom 145 Ben Harris : 140 Michał Ferenc 130 Rainer Bõkov 130 Quentin Rieg 115 Mauro Pisani 105 Tibor Szuromi 85 Mark Witney 80 Moisés Cunha 80 William Marzi 75 John Ibbotson 10
Classement générale :
1100 Damien Heuvel 1055 József Györfi 1050 Kuba Szajbel 1025 Upeo Unaozidi 950 Quentin Rieg 925 Harno Lé 885 Ben harris 915 Pascal Baumbauer 875 Rainer Bõkov 855 Mikko Suhonen 830 Michał Ferenc 750 Mairo Toom 725 Dimitri Van Leent 720 Mauro Pisani 690 Tibor Szuromi 640 Moisés Cunha 590 William Marzi 450 John Ibbotson 380 Mark Witney
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#33 posted May 14th 2019, 23:21:41
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Must watch me, we never know ^^
I changed for Quentin and +50 to Roglic and Demarre, Thanks Upeo ;)
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#34 posted May 14th 2019, 23:31:50
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Quote ( Harno Lé @ May 14th 2019,23:21:41 ) Must watch me, we never know ^^
I changed for Quentin and +50 to Roglic and Demarre, Thanks Upeo ;)
You're welcome, and thank you for this fun competition. :)
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Speaking of which, last stage
Kuba Szajbel 150
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4- Ackermann (+50) 6- Roglic (+30) 8- Lopez (+15) 9- Demarre (+10) Rosa : Roglic (+25) Ciclamen :Ackermann (+25) Bianco : Lopez (+25)
= 180
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#36 posted May 15th 2019, 08:03:34
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Yes !! La MAGLIA ROSA 😁😎🎉
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#37 posted May 15th 2019, 08:35:13
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Shit, shit, shit no maglia rosa for me. The calculations are wrong 😭😢😢
Stage 1 :
Roglic = 100 + 50 + 25 + 25 + 20 = 220 Yates = 75 + 10 = 85 Hart = 20
Total = 325
Stage 2 :
Roglic = 25 Viviani = 75 Ackermann = 100 + 25 = 125 Ewan = 60
Total = 285
Stage 3 :
Roglic = 25 Ackermann = 60
Total = 85
Stage 4 :
Roglic = 30 + 25 = 55 Yates = 5 Ewan = 75 Ackermann = 50 + 25 = 75 Carapaz = 100
Total = 310
325 + 285 + 85 + 310 = 1005.
I don't want the pink jersey if it ain't realy mine. 😔
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#38 posted May 15th 2019, 08:38:35
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Maybe it is better to check all the scores all over because I noticed some more errors already. If you want some help Harno, just say so. 👍✌
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#39 posted May 15th 2019, 09:58:19
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Quote ( Damien Heuvel @ May 15th 2019,08:38:35 ) Maybe it is better to check all the scores all over because I noticed some more errors already. If you want some help Harno, just say so. 👍✌
Yes, it is no problem to help Harno of course.
I checked all the results of stage 1 already, except those of Moisés Cunha because I don't know his CORRECT team. In the team Moisés Cunha placed here he did have three leaders.
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#40 posted May 15th 2019, 10:28:40
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STAGE 1 :
1- P. Roglic (+100) 2- S.Yates (+75) 3- V. Nibali (+60) 4- M.A. Lopez (+50) 5- T. Dumoulin (+40) 6- R. Majka (+30) 7- T. Geoghegan Hart (+20) 8- L.De Plus (+15) 9- B. Mollema (+10) 10- D. Caruso (+5)
Rosa Jersey : Roglic (+25) Ciclamen Jersey : Roglic (+25) Azzuro Jersey : Ciccone ( +25) Bianco Jersey : Lopez (+25)
Most combatif : Roglic (+50)
Moutain :
1. Giulio Ciccone (30) 2. Primoz Roglic (20) 3. Simon Yates (10)
STAGE AND OVERALL CLASSIFICATION :
335- Quentin Rieg 335- Pascal Baumbauer 325- Mauro Pisani 325- Kuba Szajbel 325- Damien Heuvel 310- Dimitri Van Leent 295- Harno Lé 290- Michał Ferenc 280- József Györfi 260- Rainer Bõkov 260- Ben Harris 260- Upeo Unaozidi 175- William Marzi 155- Mark Witney 150- John Ibbotson 145- Mikko Suhonen 130- Tibor Szuromi 130- Mairo Toom ?- Moisés Cunha
STAGE WINNERS :
1. Quentin Rieg & Pascal Baumbauer
PINK JERSEY :
1. Quentin Rieg & Pascal Baumbauer
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#41 posted May 15th 2019, 11:09:22
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STAGE 2 :
1- Ackermann (+100) 2- Viviani (+75) 3- Ewan (+60) 4- Gaviria (+50) 5- Demarre (+40) 6- Cimolai (+30) 7- Kuznetsov (+20) 8- De Buyst (+15) 9- Sbaragli (+10) 10- Selig (+5)
Rosa Jersey : Roglic (+25) Ciclamen Jersey : Ackermann (+25) Azzurro Jersey : Ciccone (+25) Bianco : Lopez (+25)
Most combatif : Cima (+50)
sprint : 1. Damiano Cima (+30) 2. Mirco Maestri (+ 20) 3. Marco Frapporti (+ 10)
1. Marco Frapporti (+ 30) 2. Damiano Cima (+20) 3. Mirco Maestri (+ 10)
Mountain: 1. Giulio Ciccone (+ 30) 2. François Bridard (+ 20) 3. Lukasz Owsian (+ 10)
1. Giulio Ciccone (+ 30) 2. François Bridard (+ 20) 3. Lukasz Owsian (+10)
STAGE CLASSIFICATION :
310 - Damien Heuvel 310 - Pascal Baumbauer 290 - Kuba Szajbel 275 - Ben Harris 275 - Quentin Rieg 275 - József Györfi 275 - Rainer Bõkov 265 - Mikko Suhonen 260 - Upeo Unaozidi 250 - Harno Lé 240 - Mairo Toom 240 - Tibor Szuromi 225 - Michał Ferenc 175 - Mark Witney 165 - Mauro Pisani 160 - Dimitri Van Leent 115 - William Marzi 115 - John Ibbotson ? - Moisés Cunha
OVERALL CLASSIFICATION AFTER 2 STAGES :
645 - Pascal Baumbauer 635 - Damien Heuvel 615 - Kuba Szajbel 610 - Quentin Rieg 555 - József Györfi 545 - Harno Lé 535 - Ben harris 535 - Rainer Bõkov 520 - Upeo Unaozidi 515 - Michał Ferenc 490 - Mauro Pisani 470 - Dimitri Van Leent 370 - Mikko Suhonen 370 - Mairo Toom 370 - Tibor Szuromi 330 - Mark Witney 290 - William Marzi 265 - John Ibbotson ? - Moisés Cunha
STAGE WINNERS :
1. Quentin Rieg & Pascal Baumbauer 2. Pascal Baumbauer & Damien Heuvel
PINK JERSEY :
1. Quentin Rieg & Pascal Baumbauer 2. Pascal Baumbauer
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#42 posted May 15th 2019, 12:00:46
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STAGE 3 :
1- Gaviria (+100) 2- Demarre (+75) 3- Ackermann (+60) 4- Moschetti (50) 5- Nizzolo (+40) 6- Mareczko (+30) 7- Cimolai (+20) 8- Belletti (+15) 9- Knees (+10) 10- Modolo (+5)
Sprint :
1- Demarre (+30) 2- Schwarzmann (+20) 3- Scotson (+10)
1-Hatsuyama (+30) 2- Demarre (+20) 3- Guarnieri (+10)
Mountain :
1- Ciccone (+30) 2- Bouwman (+20) 3- Mertens (+10)
Most combatif : Demare (+50)
Rosa : Roglic ( +25) Ciclamen : Gaviria (+25) Azzurro : Ciccone (+25) Bianco : Lopez (+25)
STAGE CLASSIFICATION :
285 - Kuba Szajbel 260 - Mikko Suhonen 235 - Tibor Szuromi 235 - Mairo Toom 225 - Mauro Pisani 210 - Rainer Bõkov 210 - Ben Harris 210 - Quentin Rieg 210 - József Györfi 210 - Upeo Unaozidi 175 - William Marzi 175 - John Ibbotson 110 - Harno Lé 85 - Damien Heuvel 85 - Pascal Baumbauer 85 - Michał Ferenc 25 - Dimitri Van Leent 0 - Mark Witney ? - Moisés Cunha
CLASSIFICATION AFTER 3 STAGES :
900 - Kuba Szajbel 820 - Quentin Rieg 765 - József Györfi 745 - Ben Harris 745 - Rainer Bõkov 730 - Upeo Unaozidi 730 - Pascal Baumbauer 720 - Damien Heuvel 715 - Mauro Pisani 670 - Mikko Suhonen 655 - Harno Lé 605 - Mairo Toom 605 - Tibor Szuromi 600 - Michał Ferenc 495 - Dimitri Van Leent 465 - William Marzi 440 - John Ibbotson 330 - Mark Witney ? - Moisés Cunha
STAGE WINNERS :
1. Quentin Rieg & Pascal Baumbauer 2. Pascal Baumbauer & Damien Heuvel 3. Kuba Szajbel
PINK JERSEY :
1. Quentin Rieg & Pascal Baumbauer 2. Pascal Baumbauer 3. Kuba Szajbel
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STAGE 4 :
1- Carapaz (+100) 2- Ewan (+75) 3- Ulissi (+60) 4- Ackermann (+50) 5- Sénéchal (+40) 6- Roglic (+30) 7- Conti (+20) 8- Lopez (+15) 9- Demarre (+10) 10- Yates (+5)
Sprint :
1-Cima (+30) 2- Fraporti (+20) 3- Mestri (+10)
1. Maestri (+30) 2. Cima : (+20) 3. Frapporti : (+10)
Mountain :
1. Frapporti : (+30) 2. Maestri : (+20) 3. Cima : (+10)
Best combatif : Cima (+50)
Rosa : Roglic (+25) Ciclamen : Ackermann (+25) Azzurro : Ciccone (+25) Bianco : Lopez (+25)
STAGE CLASSIFICATION :
310 - Damien Heuvel 305 - Upeo Unaozidi 290 - József Györfi 270 - Harno Lé 230 - Dimitri Van Leent 210 - Pascal Baumbauer 185 - Mikko Suhonen 180 - Kuba Szajbel 160 - Ben Harris 145 - Mairo Toom 135 - Quentin Rieg 130 - Michał Ferenc 130 - Rainer Bõkov 105 - Mauro Pisani 85 - Tibor Szuromi 80 - Mark Witney 75 - William Marzi 10 - John Ibbotson ? - Moisés Cunha
CLASSIFCATION AFTER 4 STAGES :
1080 - Kuba Szajbel 1055 - József Györfi 1035 - Upeo Unaozidi 1005 - Damien Heuvel 955 - Quentin Rieg 925 - Harno Lé 915 - Pascal Baumbauer 905 - Ben Harris 875 - Rainer Bõkov 855 - Mikko Suhonen 820 - Mauro Pisani 750 - Mairo Toom 730 - Michał Ferenc 725 - Dimitri Van Leent 690 - Tibor Szuromi 540 - William Marzi 450 - John Ibbotson 410 - Mark Witney ? - Moisés Cunha
STAGE WINNERS :
1. Quentin Rieg & Pascal Baumbauer 2. Kuba Szajbel 3. Kuba Szajbel 4. Damien Heuvel
PINK JERSEY :
1. Quentin Rieg & Pascal Baumbauer 2. Pascal Baumbauer 3. Kuba Szajbel 4. Kuba Szajbel
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Everything is checked and double checked now. All results are correct, if managers are not sure just ask me I do have all the individual results from each manager in each stage on paper.
I just mis the results from manager Moisés Cunha, because I don't know his exact team.
Good luck today everybody. :)
P.S Stage two winner is Kuba Szajbel of course. After checking everything for a third time, I did see that I also made a little mistake. Baumbauer and Heuvel did receive 25 points to much. So I will adapt the scores in the results of stage 4.
Sorry my mistake.
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#45 posted May 15th 2019, 13:28:19 (last edited May 15th 2019, 13:37:39 by Harno Lé)
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Thanks :)
Quote ( Upeo Unaozidi @ May 15th 2019,12:38:51 ) Everything is checked and double checked now. All results are correct, if managers are not sure just ask me I do have all the individual results from each manager in each stage on paper.
I began to be afraid of having done more ^^ I calculate with my head ( and it's boring, there are numbers everywhere :D ) , I try to do the best, but watch your result to be sure.
For Moisés Cunha, 7 guys, I excluded Zakarin. And for Marc Whitney, he played after the 1 stage, I gave him the score of the last one (to be fair as he knew the result, and not to be too far).
Yes i'm not strict ah ah it's for fun :)
Thanks for all !
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Quote ( Harno Lé @ May 15th 2019,13:28:19 ) Thanks :)
Quote ( Upeo Unaozidi @ May 15th 2019,12:38:51 )
Everything is checked and double checked now. All results are correct, if managers are not sure just ask me I do have all the individual results from each manager in each stage on paper.
I began to be afraid of having done more ^^ I calculate with my head ( and it's boring, there are numbers everywhere :D ) , I try to do the best, but watch your result to be sure.
For Moisés Cunha, 7 guys, I excluded Zakarin. And for Marc Whitney, he played after the 1 stage, I gave him the score of the last one (to be fair as he knew the result, and not to be too far).
Yes i'm not strict ah ah it's for fun :)
Thanks for all !
Pas de problème Harno, c'est qu'un jeux comme tu dis. J'ai controles toutes les resultats moi aussi, et ils sont juste maintenant.
Merci Harno et Upeo. 😊👍✌
By the way Tom Dumoulin did start today but decided not to go further after a few km. So people can switch him for another cyclist for tomorrow's stage and the rest of the Giro of course.
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#47 posted May 15th 2019, 15:46:35
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#48 posted May 15th 2019, 17:15:23
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I'd like to swap Dumoulin for Lopez from tomorrow on.
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No Dumoulin in my team so no changes.
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Ah, hang down your head Tom Duumouleen. Let's change:
Out: 191 DUMOULIN Tom Netherlands
In: 171 ROGLIC Primoz Slovenia
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Btw, good job with our standings!
Quote ( Harno Lé @ May 15th 2019,13:28:19 ) For Moisés Cunha, 7 guys, I excluded Zakarin. Well from now on he can also change Dumoulin to some non-leader, so probably not necessary to exclude any more guys from him on next stage onwards. That is, if he manages to pick a non-leader :)
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#51 posted May 15th 2019, 21:31:23
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Quote ( Mikko Suhonen @ May 15th 2019,19:15:33 ) Quote ( Harno Lé @ May 15th 2019,13:28:19 )For Moisés Cunha, 7 guys, I excluded Zakarin. Well from now on he can also change Dumoulin to some non-leader, so probably not necessary to exclude any more guys from him on next stage onwards. That is, if he manages to pick a non-leader :)
I wrote mr. Cunha this afternoon, and he wanted the excluded Zakarin to be replaced by Marezcko from tomorrow on.
MANAGERS DON'T FORGET TO REPLACE DUMOULIN, otherwise you will start with only 7 riders tomorrow. Please make your changes before the start of tomorrows stage, which will start at 11:25 CET.
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#52 posted May 15th 2019, 21:57:41
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#53 posted May 15th 2019, 22:10:03
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Dumoulin OUT, LÓPEZ MORENO Miguel Ángel IN
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#54 posted May 15th 2019, 22:29:25
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STAGE 5 :
1- Ackermann (+100) 2- Gaviria (+75) 3- Demare (+60) 4- Ewan (+50) 5- Moschetti (+40) 6- Gibbons (+30) 7- Simion (+20) 8- Biermans (+15) 9- Lonardi (+10) 10- Bellettti (+5)
Sprint :
1- Barbin (+30) 2- Vervaeke (+20) 3- Florez Lopez (+10)
1- Barbin (+30) 2- Santaromita (+20) 3- Orsini (+10)
Mountain :
1- Vervaeke (+30) 2- Santaromita (+20) 3- Barbin (+10)
Most combatif : Barbin (+50)
Rosa : Roglic (+25) Ciclamen : Ackermann (+25) Azzurro : Ciccone (+25) Bianco : Lopez Moreno (+25)
STAGE CLASSIFICATION :
275 - Upeo Unaozidi 235 - Kuba Szajbel 225 - Ben Harris 225 - József Györfi 225 - Quentin Rieg 225 - Rainer Bõkov 210 - Mikko Suhonen 200 - Damien Heuvel 200 - Pascal Baumbauer 200 - Moisés Cunha 185 - Mairo Toom 185 - Tibor Szuromi 175 - Harno Lé 150 - Michał Ferenc 110 - Mauro Pisani 75 - Dimitri Van Leent 75 - Mark Witney 60 - William Marzi 60 - John Ibbotson
CLASSIFCATION AFTER 4 STAGES :
1315 - Kuba Szajbel 1310 - Upeo Unaozidi 1280 - József Györfi 1205 - Damien Heuvel 1180 - Quentin Rieg 1130 - Ben Harris 1115 - Pascal Baumbauer 1100 - Harno Lé 1100 - Rainer Bõkov 1065 - Mikko Suhonen 935 - Mairo Toom 930 - Mauro Pisani 880 - Michał Ferenc 875 - Tibor Szuromi 840 - Moisés Cunha 800 - Dimitri Van Leent 600 - William Marzi 510 - John Ibbotson 485 - Mark Witney
STAGE WINNERS :
1. Quentin Rieg & Pascal Baumbauer 2. Kuba Szajbel 3. Kuba Szajbel 4. Damien Heuvel 5. Upeo Unaozidi
PINK JERSEY :
1. Quentin Rieg & Pascal Baumbauer 2. Pascal Baumbauer 3. Kuba Szajbel 4. Kuba Szajbel 5. Kuba Szajbel
http://www.giroditalia.it/it/classifiche/
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#55 posted May 15th 2019, 22:39:08
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For me it will be Dumoulin OUT and Lopez Moreno IN also.
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#56 posted May 16th 2019, 08:21:00
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Now that I think about it, free replacements in case of withdrawal do not make much sense. At this stage, sure, no problem for me to switch Dumoulin for Roglic, but for example what if a rider from your team retires at stage 20. Should you be able to swap him for any jersey winner just to grab final standing bonus?
I can see two way outs, either give final jersey bonus points to people who selected their jersey winners before stage 1, or simply remove this rule.
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#57 posted May 16th 2019, 09:52:28
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Quote ( Kuba Szajbel @ May 16th 2019,08:21:00 ) Now that I think about it, free replacements in case of withdrawal do not make much sense. At this stage, sure, no problem for me to switch Dumoulin for Roglic, but for example what if a rider from your team retires at stage 20. Should you be able to swap him for any jersey winner just to grab final standing bonus?
I can see two way outs, either give final jersey bonus points to people who selected their jersey winners before stage 1, or simply remove this rule.
Very good point indeed Kuba, I was thinking the same.
It is of course super cool from Harno to organize this competition, but it was very short day. So I guess that there was no time enough to go deeper into detail when it comes to the game rules ?
But on the other hand which driver will pull back one day before the end of the Giro. The last ten days of this Giro are a real hell, so if you survived that it would be strange not to finish this Grand Tour IMHO.
We should ask Harno about this, it is his game in the end. And it's real fun. :)
I was thinking about setting up a Tour de France competition for this year, the game rules will be slightly different then. (I will put it online in June already.)
And everybody is invited of course, the more managers the more fun. :)
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#58 posted May 16th 2019, 09:58:04
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Quote ( Kuba Szajbel @ May 16th 2019,08:21:00 ) Now that I think about it, free replacements in case of withdrawal do not make much sense. At this stage, sure, no problem for me to switch Dumoulin for Roglic, but for example what if a rider from your team retires at stage 20. Should you be able to swap him for any jersey winner just to grab final standing bonus?
I can see two way outs, either give final jersey bonus points to people who selected their jersey winners before stage 1, or simply remove this rule.
On the other hand, you don't have Dumoulin in your team. But you are scoring 25 bonuspoints each day with Lopez Moreno.
I do have Dumoulin in my team, so replacing him with Lopez Moreno would allow me to also score those 25 points each day.
So some managers will benefit from switching/replacing drivers. hihihi ;)
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#59 posted May 16th 2019, 10:34:11
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Quote ( Upeo Unaozidi @ May 16th 2019,09:58:04 ) Quote ( Kuba Szajbel @ May 16th 2019,08:21:00 )
Now that I think about it, free replacements in case of withdrawal do not make much sense. At this stage, sure, no problem for me to switch Dumoulin for Roglic, but for example what if a rider from your team retires at stage 20. Should you be able to swap him for any jersey winner just to grab final standing bonus?
I can see two way outs, either give final jersey bonus points to people who selected their jersey winners before stage 1, or simply remove this rule.
On the other hand, you don't have Dumoulin in your team. But you are scoring 25 bonuspoints each day with Lopez Moreno.
I do have Dumoulin in my team, so replacing him with Lopez Moreno would allow me to also score those 25 points each day.
So some managers will benefit from switching/replacing drivers. hihihi ;)
Good point Upeo and nice try Kuba. 😉✌🤣
(Just kidding of course.)
But I don't see the point in changing the game rules halfway a game. We knew this before we started this competition. Some will benefit from it and some others not, that's the game. 👍👍👍
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Okay, I don't mind keeping these rules for Giro, however in my opinion few things need to be changed for TdF and Vuelta. And Harno, please don't get me wrong, I really appreciate you set up this Challenge, but my wish is to make this game a little bit more playable. Here are my suggestions:
1. I really enjoyed Jukka's swap system as it kept the game alive throughout the tours. Cyclist selection/value can be changed nonetheless it should be present in previous version or another.
2. If we agree to 2 sprinter/2 leader rule a complete list of sprinters/leaders is a must. For example not including Ackermann in a sprinter list when books had it as a main sprint contender was a mistake.
3. I don't think each jersey should be valued the same.
4. I like the sprint/climb bonus but the amount of points that is given to breakaways is too much. I would decrease sprint points and perhaps differentiate climb points based on hill category.
5. Upeo, I really like showing stage winners/maglia rosa in every classification. That's probably cause I'm winning lol ;), but I hope it stays.
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