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1958 Belgian GP - Lap 20/24
Lap 17 – Musso passes Collins for 10th place with a well-timed move at La Source, while de Beaufort is still frustrating Schell over 23rd position.
Lap 18 – 3.5 seconds is Gerard’s lead over Salavdori, with Herrmann a further tenth back and moving much quicker than the two ahead of him! Brabham is still stuck behind Piotti in 7th, as he has a sniff of points just 3 seconds up the road!!!
Gibson meanwhile is the latest BRM to overtake Collins and claim 11th place, with a strong dive up the inside at Les Combes – meanwhile another Vanwall is under pressure, as Gendebien passes Fairman for 15th position. Chiron and Hawthorn swap places again, as the younger OSCA driver looks like he is on fire right now!
Schell finally manages to overtake de Beaufort for 23rd place, as the Porsche slipstreams past the Vanwall on the run down to Masta Kink.
Lap 19 – Gerard still leads but only by 2.8 seconds now over Hans Herrmann, who manages to overhaul Salvadori with a late-braking manoeuvre at La Source and put himself right in the frame for a race victory today! Everyone from von Trips in 4th down to Gibson in 11th is moving more quickly than the leader right now, as this race looks set for a grandstand finish!!!
Hawthorn defends strongly from McLaren this time around, as the two come perilously close to clashing with each other at Les Combes!
Lap 20 – The gap between Gerard and Herrmann is down to 2 seconds with just 4 laps remaining! Meanwhile Salvadori looks like he will soon come under pressure from the trio of von Trips, Behra and Gould…and Brabham is now forced to defend from Bonnier as they duel over 9th position!
Collins is unfortunately struggling to keep with the pace, as Trintignant passes him down the Kemmel Straight, before Hill manages to slipstream past the pair of them and claim 12th as a result! Chiron continues his progress as he passes Menditeguy for 17th place, while Emery passes Marsh for 25th as the Connaughts swap places.
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1958 Belgian GP - Results
Lap 21 – Gerard is losing whole heaps of time to Herrmann in 2nd place, as the Cooper is now less than a second behind the Maserati! The fastest man on track is actually von Trips in 4th, though he still has his team-mate Salvadori in 3rd to navigate…Behra and Gould are also coming on strong in 5th and 6th in what promises to be a thrilling conclusion to the race!
Brabham defends from Bonnier again, as the Ferrari looks determined to keep hold of 8th place until the end of the race! Back in 15th home favourite Gendebien is rapidly hauling in the drivers in front of him, as he looks to secure a season’s best finish for himself and Porsche – Hawthorn meanwhile is concentrating on holding on to his Top 20 spot, as he defends rigorously from the advances of Scarlatti’s Lotus!
Lap 22 – Herrmann narrows the gap to just 0.1 seconds, with Gerard needing to be alert to the danger behind him…and that danger is compounded by Salvadori moving aside for von Trips to thunder his way past and now move to just 1.9 seconds behind the leader! Salvadori will now need to concentrate on Behra and Gould who are 0.4 and 0.7 seconds behind him respectively…
Meanwhile Collins race finale goes even further downhill, as Gendebien is the latest man to pass him and thus inherit 14th position – with Porsche now looking at comfortably their best race of the season! Further back Scarlatti overtakes Hawthorn for 20th position at Les Combes and Schell looks to be gaining solid ground on Moss for 22nd place.
Lap 23 – Herrmann’s gains have been prolific, and as they roar down the Kemmel Straight there is nothing that Gerard can do to defend, as despite forcing the Cooper to go around the outside it isn’t enough to prevent him from completing the overtake at Les Combes. Gerard now has 1 lap to try and hold 2nd place from von Trips, who is less than a second behind and moving significantly more quickly!
Salvadori meanwhile is playing the role of rear gunner to great effect, as he manages to block Behra’s attempt to pass at Masta Kink – though in turn that does slow Gould up as well…meanwhile Brabham elects to try attacking rather than defending for once, as he takes a look round the outside of Piotti on the Kemmel Straight…but that moves him off-line and that is all the invitation that Bonnier needs to dive up the inside and break later than both the Ferrari and his team-mate to inherit 7th, with Piotti now 8th and Brabham 9th overall. Musso’s 10th place looks reasonably secure at this stage, barring any last lap incidents.
Lap 24 – Herrmann manages to cross the line and take the race victory without incident on the final lap, which makes it his 3rd career victory (albeit the 1st Cooper win since the 1957 French GP triumph by Behra and the 1st win for Herrmann since his title winning season in 1954!). All attention is on La Source on the final lap though, as Gerard and von Trips head into the corner level-pegging…but the Maserati is an experienced campaigner, and he manages to position his car to make it impossible for the German to overtake him…and thus Gerard crosses the line in 2nd just 0.03 of a second ahead of von Trips in 3rd!!!
The battle for the final points positions goes down to the wire as well, but this time there is an overtake – as Behra manages to perform a switch-back on Salvadori to claim 4th…though Gould is unable to follow him through and must settle for 6th just 0.04 seconds behind his team-mate!
Bonnier, Piotti, Brabham, Musso, Gibson and Hill finish in 7th to 12th positions, while Porsche perform a final lap swap (much to the delight of the home fans), as Trintignant makes way for Gendebien to inherit 13th position. Collins and Fairman come home 15th and 16th, as the Vanwall looked woefully off the pace today, with Chiron 17th, McLaren finishing as top Lotus in 18th thanks to Menditeguy moving over at the last minute, while Scarlatti rounds out the Top 20.
Hawthorn comes home 21st, with Schell 22nd after a last lap pass on Moss proves successful, followed by de Beaufort 24th, Emery 25th, Marsh 26th and Godia 27th overall. After Flockhart’s unfortunate retirement looked to have deprived the fans of an exciting race at the front it did eventually deliver, while unfortunately Brooks never made it past the 1st corner…
The next race of the season will take place at Silverstone in the next week or so.
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Stamina effect really showed this time.
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Christian you beauty! And points on the board for Behra also! All in all cracking day for the Cooper squad minus the mishap!
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Finally best setup! The only standings i can fight in :)
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Quote ( Piotr Wechterowicz @ October 3rd 2019,23:13:51 ) Finally best setup! The only standings i can fight in :)
Given the money your team gets for that, hopefully your Team Principal can give you a car that you can fight with for points too! :)
Quote ( Mike Baston @ October 3rd 2019,22:40:23 ) Stamina effect really showed this time.
Yep and I'm torn as to whether it was too big or too little - or indeed just right! Need to look at it and decide what to do for next race.
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Gerard has extended his championship lead over von Trips today, but only just! That is largely down to setting his 3rd Fastest Lap in a row this time out. Herrmann's victory moves him up to 4th in the overall standings and puts him in championship contention, as arguably all of the Top 7 are right now - though considering there are 4 dropped scores this season it is still entirely possible for any driver to figure in the championship picture still!
Behra is another big mover in the standings, as he scores his 1st points of the season to move up to 11th place behind Hill on countback of 7th placed finishes. Meanwhile Gendebien took great advantage of his home race to record his best career finish of 13th and move up to 21st position in the overall standings as a result.
Finally a quick mention for Menditeguy, who overhauls Bridger thanks to them both having recorded an 18th placed finish and a 19th place - but Menditeguy has two 20th positions vs Bridger's one 20th position, which means the Argentine moves ahead of him in the standings!
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Fairman tops the setup rankings with Bonnier ahead of Dobrev by virtue of having more 3rd placed finishes in the setup standings! Collins and Herrmann are both good movers in this update, thanks to both being Top 5 - while Chiron is really putting himself in the shop window as a viable hire for some of the larger teams with his brilliant setup performances! Gendebien likewise has shown well this race too...
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Maserati have again reduced their arrears now down to just 5 points, while Cooper have now overhauled BRM for 3rd position and will look to kick on and pull in the leading duo. Further back Porsche's best race of the season yielded their third 13th position of the season - but the OSCA team in 6th must be getting nervous about being able to protect their position...
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Grats to the Cooper boys, way to go. Ive had a stiff word with my fuel guys and the problem won't happen again.
Ron
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Please note - this is worked out by doing the following:
Results for Top 3 drivers added together and divided by 3
If a driver doesn't race (or if there is no 3rd driver) then they will be given a position that equals last in the race +1
Then the team with the lowest total gets the toughest objective for next race. Any ties are separated by the position of the 4th placed counter. If there was no 4th placed counter for either team then the best finishng position determines the outcome.
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Spa 1958 - Completed Milestones
20th race entry for Horace Gould
Fangio up to 4th in Most Race Entries, at the expense of Toulo de Graffenried
Moss up to 8th in Most Race Entries, at the expense of Giuseppe Farina
Hawthorn moves up to 3rd in Most Starts ever, at the expense of Toulo de Graffenried
40th race start for Roy Salvadori
20th race start for Ron Flockhart
Menditeguy up to 7th in Most Races without a Win, at the expense of Piero Taruffi
Herrmann’s win moves him up to 5th in the all-time standings at the expense of Ken Wharton
Herrmann winning the race from 5th place or below moves him into the Top 10 for Wins from Furthest Back on the Start Grid
Gerard won both the Belgian GP in 1951, 1953 and 1956, while Herrmann won in 1954 and this time around (this makes him only the 4th driver to win more than once at the same circuit)! Other past winners are Pietsch (’50 - retired), Rol (’52 - retired) and Wharton (’55 – retired).
Points finish for Salvadori moves him into 5th for Most Points Finishes ever, at the expense of Collins
Points finish for von Trips and Herrmann moves them into 8th and 9th for Most Points Finishes ever at the expense of Stirling Moss
Points finish for von Trips is his 7th points finish in a row, which moves him up to 5th place in Most Consecutive Points Scores ever
A 3rd consecutive points finish for Gerard here, while it is a 2nd consecutive points finish for Salvadori as well
FL for Gerard is his 3rd Fastest Lap in a row, something that only 2 drivers have ever achieved!
Gerard has set FL in Belgium in 1950, ’56 and this time round too (making Belgium his 3rd best track on the calendar for setting Fastest Lap!), while Collins managed FL in 1956; other past Fastest Laps are held by Ken Wharton (’55 – retired), Onofre Marimón (’54 – retired), Sergio Mantovani (’53 – retired), de Toulo de Graffenried (’52 – retired) and John James (’51 – retired)
Pole for von Trips is his 1st ever Pole, while Gerard has achieved Pole in Belgium in 1951 and ’56; past Pole Sitters were Paul Pietsch (’50 – retired), Élie Bayol (’52 – retired), Sergio Mantovani (’53 – retired), Onofre Marimón (’54 – retired) and Ken Wharton (’55 – retired)
Podium for von Trips movs him into 7th for Most Podiums ever, at the expense of Stirling Moss
Podium for Herrmann moves him into 8th for Most Podiums ever, also at the expense of Moss
Podium for Gerard is a 3rd consecutive podium finish for him, which puts him in the Top 10 for Most Consecutive Podium Finishes ever
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You have until 18:00 CET on Friday 11th October to send in any multiplier boosts you wish (see post #6 for details). Qualifying will start at that time!
Anyone setting a lap-time before then will have all of those laps reset to 5 minutes total, meaning they will have less time to complete laps and will get no advantage from doing so. You have been warned!
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Silverstone - 1958 Milestones
40th race entry for Stirling Moss
20th race entry for Joakim Bonnier, Tony Brooks and Wolfgang von Trips
Moss up to 7th in Most Race Entries, at the expense of José Froilán González
Trintignant up to 9th in Most Race Entries, at the expense of Giuseppe Farina
If he starts, Fangio moves up to 8th in Most Starts ever, at the expense of José Froilán González
If he starts, Menditeguy moves up to 10th in Most Starts ever (will also be his 30th start ever), at the expense of Alberto Ascari
If he starts it will be von Trips’ 20th race start
Schell up to 10th in Most Races without a Win, at the expense of Johnny Claes
If any one of Hawthorn, Moss, Trintignant, Menditeguy and Schell win, Claes would move back into the Top 10 for Most Races without a Win.
Emery up to 10th in Most Races without Points, at the expense of Hermano da Silva Ramos
If any 1 of Schell, Flockhart, Godia or Brooks or Emery score points then Gibson will move into the Top 10 for Most Races without Points. Any 2 would move de Beaufort into the Top 10 and any 3 would reinstate da Silva Ramos
If Herrmann wins the race, he will move into 3rd on the all-time list ahead of both Paul Pietsch and Peter Whitehead.
If Behra, Brabham, Collins or Fangio wins the race they will move into the Top 10 for Most Wins ever at the expense of Herrmann Lang.
Another win for Gerard would move him top of Most % Wins at the expense of Ken Wharton
Win for Herrmann would be the 1st time he has achieved consecutive race wins, and he would be only the 6th driver to achieve that feat ever
If any of Bridger, Hill, Marsh, McLaren or Gendebien win they will move into the Top 10 for Fewest Races before 1st Win
Anyone winning the race from 5th place or below would move into the Top 10 for Win from Furthest Back on the Start Grid
Gerard won both the British GP in 1954, 1956 and 1957. Other past winners are Pietsch (’50 and ’53 - retired), Cabantous (’51 – retired), Bayol (’52 - retired) and Wharton (’55 – retired)
Gerard could take his 13th hat-trick ever here!
A hat-trick for Salvadori would move him up to 3rd for Most Hat-Tricks ever.
A single point for Collins would move him up to 4th for Most Points ever, at the expense of Giuseppe Farina
A race win for Salvadori would see him move up to 6th for Most Points ever, at the expense of Toulo de Graffenried
If Herrmann scores 2 points more than von Trips here, he will move up to 8th in Most Points ever
Points finish for Salvadori would move him into 4th for Most Points Finishes ever, at the expense of Giuseppe Farina
Points finish for Collins (and not for Salvadori) would move him into 5th for Most Points Finishes ever, at the expense of Salvadori
Points finish for Herrmann or Moss would move them into 8th and 9th for Most Points Finishes ever (as long as von Trips doesn’t finish in the points)
2nd place for Hawthorn here would move him up to 2nd in Most Points without a Win (4th or higher moves him into 4th overall)
Points finish (but not a win) for Musso, Piotti or Trintignant would move them into the Top 10 for Most Points without a Win, at the expense of Luigi Fagioli (and possibly Nello Pagani too, if 2 of them managed it)
Likewise, 2nd place for Menditeguy would move him up to the Top 10 for Most Points without a Win
Points finish for von Trips would be his 8th points finish in a row, which would move him up to 4th place in Most Consecutive Points Scores ever
A 4th consecutive points finish is on offer for Gerard, while a 3rd consecutive points finish is possible for Salvadori and a 2nd consecutive points finish is possible for Herrmann and Behra too
FL for Collins or Salvadori would move either up to 4th place in Most Fastest Laps ever
Fastest Lap for Fangio, Herrmann, Moss or Musso would move them into Top 10 for Most Fastest Laps ever, at the expense of Yves-Girard Cabantous
FL for Gerard would be his 4th Fastest Lap in a row, something that only he has ever achieved before!
Gerard has set FL at the British GP in 1956 and ‘57; other past Fastest Laps are held by Ken Wharton (’55 – retired), Peter Whitehead (’53 and ’54 – retired), Elie Bayol (’52 – retired), Yves-Girard Cabantous (’51 – retired) and Giuseppe Farina (’50 – retired)
Pole for Salvadori moves him up to 2nd in Most Pole Positions ever
Pole for Bonnier, Brabham, Herrmann, Hill, Menditeguy or von Trips would move them into the Top 10 for Most Poles ever at the expense of Herrmann Lang
Pole for von Trips would be the 1st time he has managed Consecutive Pole Positions, which would make him only the 9th driver to ever achieve that feat!
Gerard has achieved Pole in Belgium in 1956 and ’57; past Pole Sitters were Yves-Girard Cabantous (’50 and ’51 – retired), Paul Pietsch (’52 – retired), Peter Whitehead (’53 – retired), Hermann Lang (’54 – retired) and Ken Wharton (’55 – retired)
Podium for Collins would move him into 2nd for Most Podiums of all time (ahead of Paul Pietsch and Peter Whitehead)
Podium for Herrmann or Moss (and not for von Trips) would move them into 7th for Most Podiums ever
Podium for Hawthorn would him into the Top 10 for Most Podiums ever at the expense of Salvadori
Podium for Gerard would be a 4th consecutive podium finish for him, which would put him into 5th place for Most Consecutive Podium Finishes ever
Podium for Herrmann or von Trips would be their 2nd consecutive podium finishses
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Quote ( Jonathan Beagles @ October 4th 2019,02:30:25 ) Trintignant up to 9th in Most Race Entries, at the expense of Giuseppe Farina
Beating myself for Most Race Entries.. :P
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I’m just beating myself..
dick helped twice/
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Beating dick is an achievement
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Ferrari have promoted Crew Chief Giotto Bizzarrini to Race Engineer, which means that he joins Mike Mansell - though that has caused some friction with the other crew chief Paul Pietsch and as a result there have been several walk-outs and disharmony in the camp! Is this a sign of Ferrari's position at the top of the standings causing undue pressure within the team...?!?
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Maserati have promoted Alberto Massimino to the role of Technical Director, which has caused a real rift in the Maserati garage! Race Engineer Gioacchino Colombo has reportedly threatened to quit once his contract is up, and several of the staff loyal to him have already left their posts...
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Cooper have promoted a new Crew Chief in the shape of Patrick Shufflebottom, brother to their existing Crew Chief Cecil - which has caused allegations of favouritism and nepotism within the remainder of the crew, and we have seen several walkouts as a result of this! The mood in this garage looks pretty sour at the moment!
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You have until 18:00 CET on Friday 11th October to send in any multiplier boosts you wish (see post #6 for details). Qualifying will start at that time!
Anyone setting a lap-time before then will have all of those laps reset to 5 minutes total, meaning they will have less time to complete laps and will get no advantage from doing so. You have been warned!
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You have until 18:00 CET on Friday 11th October to send in any multiplier boosts you wish (see post #6 for details). Qualifying will start at that time!
Anyone setting a lap-time before then will have all of those laps reset to 5 minutes total, meaning they will have less time to complete laps and will get no advantage from doing so. You have been warned!
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You have until 18:00 CET on Friday 11th October to send in any multiplier boosts you wish (see post #6 for details). Qualifying will start at that time!
Anyone setting a lap-time before then will have all of those laps reset to 5 minutes total, meaning they will have less time to complete laps and will get no advantage from doing so. You have been warned!
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Vanwall have hired a new Designer in the shape of Frank Costin, who has come into the team in order to try and improve Vanwall's recent run of poor results despite excellent driving!
Meanwhile Ferrari have decided to move from Englebert Tyres to Dunlop Tyres in order to try and stem the recent tide of Maserati performance, which is something that most of the other teams on the grid will not be happy to hear...
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Qualifying for the 1958 British GP is now under-way!
You have until Friday 18th October at 23:59 CET to run your laps!!!
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Free beer in the Connaught garage. :D
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Anybody who goes in the Connaught garage will not be allowed entrance to the Vanwall garage. Only drinking will be after the race not before :)
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