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Great win for George! And disappointing that Max didn't help his teammate.....
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Quote ( Ryan Anderson @ November 14th 2022,03:44:24 ) Max is the 1st driver
Max already won the driver's championship. RBR already won the manufacturer's championship. It costs him nothing to help his teammate who has always helped him. He already has everything that a number 1 driver would hope for, time to be less selfish.
Max is not replaceable, don't get me wrong, but no individual is above the team.
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Quote ( Marcelo Ascencio @ November 13th 2022,21:41:31 ) Checo responded at the same level
I totally disagree with this, Checo was rightfully disappointed that Max would not follow team orders nor help Checo in his pursuit of P2 in the championship.
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This is coming from a Checo fan and Max, but I hope Checo loses 2nd in the championship by one point just so maybe Max can realize what a childish move he made. I would of expected a move like that last season as Max had a habit of showing his immaturity but I thought he grew up this season, guess not.
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Max would assuredly blame Checo if Checo lost by a point, because Max firmly believes that what happened occurred because of something Checo did rather than a conscious, childish choice he himself made.
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I believe Charles deserves the place as much as Checo does, Charles had bad luck having a Ferrari instead a RBR.. Checo being 2nd would be great luck by itself.
But I'd be glad to see the Mexican beat the Ferraris in the standings
NOW, is Mercedes going to snatch the 2nd place in the constructors?
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Blows my mind that people are even trying to defend Max's behaviour this race.
This really is the one time there is just no excuse, there just isnt, sorry, no matter how big of a fan one may be.
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Quote ( Eric Ingraham @ November 14th 2022,23:47:41 ) Max would assuredly blame Checo if Checo lost by a point, because Max firmly believes that what happened occurred because of something Checo did rather than a conscious, childish choice he himself made.
How do you know he didn't have a legitimate reason?
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Quote ( Jorrit Boer @ November 15th 2022,18:30:35 )
How do you know he didn't have a legitimate reason?
Legitimate to who?
Himself? Obviously was
Team? - Obviously wasn't
It's perspective.
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Quote ( Jorrit Boer @ November 15th 2022,18:30:35 ) How do you know he didn't have a legitimate reason?
Because it's a team sport and you don't defy team orders. There is literally no legitimate reason which could possibly exist which would justify his decision and the fallout which it will bring within the team.
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Quote ( Eric Ingraham @ November 15th 2022,19:16:10 ) Quote ( Jorrit Boer @ November 15th 2022,18:30:35 )
How do you know he didn't have a legitimate reason?
Because it's a team sport and you don't defy team orders. There is literally no legitimate reason which could possibly exist which would justify his decision and the fallout which it will bring within the team.
This! And if Max made this mistake and had apologied for it, all would be okay, but saying I have my reasons sounds egocentrical and childish.
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On a different note, is anyone else speechless about mercs speed.... I was.... Seems as if Merc secretly painted the redbull cars silver and theirs in RB colours..
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If I was Checo, the next time I was asked to let Max through, i'd develop a radio malfunction. :D
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Verstappen's disregard of team orders reminds me of a past race with the same team, different drivers.
“Multi-21, Seb. Multi-21!”
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Quote ( Paul Bright @ November 15th 2022,19:46:22 ) If I was Checo, the next time I was asked to let Max through, i'd develop a radio malfunction. :D
and make his car 10 feet wider?
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Word is that Max's refusal was due to something Checo did in Monaco ... Remember Checo spun on the corner going into the tunnel ... ? Allegedly Checo confirmed that he had done this on purpose to ensure himself of a proper starting position, and in the wake it cost Max a likely better starting position ...
If so, I can see why, but still a it was over a 5th place, this one was an easy one to give to Checo in my POV, even with this Monaco story in mind ...
*don't shoot the messenger*
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That seems to be the popular rumor. So over a dozen races ago, Max believes Checo binned it in quali to prevent Max from getting pole, then RBR screwed up Max's race strategy and it cost Max points in that race. Then he went on to clinch his second WDC but he still felt like he needed to prove a point to Checo in this race. And by "a point", I mean literally a point. And maybe cost Checo 2nd place in the championship?
If anyone would like to suggest a reasonable justification for Max's decision I am all ears.
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Quote ( Niels Van Heijster @ November 15th 2022,21:01:21 ) Word is that Max's refusal was due to something Checo did in Monaco ... Remember Checo spun on the corner going into the tunnel ... ? Allegedly Checo confirmed that he had done this on purpose to ensure himself of a proper starting position, and in the wake it cost Max a likely better starting position ...
See, I've heard this rumour being banded about, but I can't understand the logic behind it. Perez was P3 behind both Ferraris and looked to have had the measure of Verstappen all weekend. What would he have gained from cementing himself in 3rd rather than trying to beat at least Sainz?
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He was being a childish dickhead, but so what?
moment of hot headedness, nobody died.
championship not even close, doesnt matter.
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You could be right... then again, it's 'perspective' as was mentioned. Personally I can't hope to have any perspective that Max had or has or the data.
It is not pleasant to see nor does it flatter the sport.
Try thinking that the rumour of "Monaco" is in fact the point of all this. Max could/would have taken pole and probably won the race from there. Max would have had an improved position in the driver's title. The team have all the data to refute the rumour ?? Horner is kind of mum about all this... hmmm?
Perez has responded to team orders understanding his position and how the team uses him. For Max there wasn't any reason to let Perez pass. This was all talked about in advance and a decision was made then. If you talked about it already... why talk about it again?
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It's irrelevant anyway, that's my point.
its a bt of drama to end the season, when already decided.
Doesn't flatter the sport, but gets everyone talking doesn't it?
bit like the build up to a boxing fight.
IMO and if i was Max, i wouldnt let him past either. Bad guys are loads more interesting.
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Quote ( Shaun Thornton @ November 15th 2022,21:28:19 ) It's irrelevant anyway, that's my point.
The point is not whether or not Max will win the WDC, it's whether or not Max and Checo will finish 1st and 2nd. A happy Checo is better for the team and for Max in the long run. Will the extra point from Sao Paolo matter? We don't know yet.
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Nobody remembers 2nd and 3rd in a championship. or is that just me?
I love a proper ruthless champion bad guy, makes it loads more interesting.
It's just a pantomime.
Who else is looking for the Red Bull battle next race?
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I think Checo might remember 2nd in a championship...
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Quote ( Eric Ingraham @ November 15th 2022,21:39:08 ) I think Checo might remember 2nd in a championship...
yea you're right there, come next March though we'll have forgot and be on another thread talking about the new Merc or something.
after all we are the ones who matter, the customer.
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Quote ( Shaun Thornton @ November 15th 2022,21:07:41 ) championship not even close, doesnt matter.
2nd place in the championship is VERY close, so it does matter, dumb ass.
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Quote ( Ken Neihart @ November 15th 2022,22:09:42 ) Quote ( Shaun Thornton @ November 15th 2022,21:07:41 )
championship not even close, doesnt matter.
2nd place in the championship is VERY close, so it does matter, dumb ass.
wow Kenboi calm down, you'll steam up those shaaaaaades!
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Quote ( Peter Abbott @ November 15th 2022,19:57:32 ) Verstappen's disregard of team orders reminds me of a past race with the same team, different drivers.
“Multi-21, Seb. Multi-21!”
Yeah, I bet Seb already had the championship in the bag...
That was on Race 2, and they were already on the back foot.. being Kimi and Fernando ahead in the championship, While Webber was mid table
You probably remember the landslide of complaints after the "Fernando is faster than you" message..
I guess everyone wanted the team mates to battle themselves, (Like Lewis And Nico)
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Quote ( Shaun Thornton @ November 15th 2022,21:36:50 ) Nobody remembers 2nd and 3rd in a championship. or is that just me?
Horner has already stated he cares quite a lot about securing 1st and 2nd in the championship, since it's something the team has never done before.
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He has to beat Leclerc. Simple as that. Since Ferrari can't put one foot in front of the other... it should be a 'shoe in' for Red Bull. ;)
It would be best if Checo did it on merit.
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