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Old post #1 posted Oct 6th 2021, 16:18:04 Quote 
While we debate how to pronounce GPRO and whether or not we should even play the game, I believe there is a far more pressing issue on our hands.

It seems as though the entirety of the GPRO player base is ignorant of the proper way to report a measurement. Statements such as “my driver is 72kg” or “I lost 0.3s in quali” are just as common as they are infuriating. This is not what you learned in school, boys and girls!

The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) reminds us in the Guide for the Use of the International System of Units (SI):

There is a space between the numerical value and unit symbol, even when the value is used as an adjective, except in the case of superscript units for plane angle.

https://physics.nist.gov/cuu/pdf/sp811.pdf

Your driver does not mass 65kg but rather 65 kg. You did not fill your car with 108l but with 108 l. And you did not gain 43ms in Q1 but 43 ms. Even the track temperature should read 23 °C rather than 23°C.

Thank you and may Vlad forever bless GPRO.
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Old post #2 posted Oct 6th 2021, 16:35:08 Quote 
Another good point raised there @Brad Marshall (E). I'm also a grammar fanatic & I hope saint Vlad sorts this out soon.

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Old post #3 posted Oct 6th 2021, 16:44:30 Quote 
Getting schooled by an American on correct use of metric values... Oof.
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Old post #4 posted Oct 6th 2021, 17:00:12 Quote 
Quote ( Brad Marshall @ October 6th 2021,16:18:04 )

The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) reminds us in the Guide for the Use of the International System of Units (SI)

My gut instinct screams that if it were the International Institute of Standards and Technology, we might be bound by these rules outside of the USA (or should that be U.S.A., or even U. S. A.?).

Ultimately, however, I'm grateful for the fact that I just don't give a sh monkeys!! :p
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Old post #5 posted Oct 6th 2021, 17:04:15 Quote 
Quote ( Brad Marshall @ October 6th 2021,16:18:04 )

There is a space between the numerical value and unit symbol, even when the value is used as an adjective, except in the case of superscript units for plane angle.

Typical Elitist remark ;)
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Old post #6 posted Oct 6th 2021, 17:06:56 Quote 
Did you update your profile picture especially for this post, Brad?
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Old post #7 posted Oct 6th 2021, 17:11:29 Quote 
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Did you update your profile picture especially for this post, Brad?

If you put a hat on him, he's Walter White....
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Old post #8 posted Oct 6th 2021, 17:13:05 Quote 
Quote (Twiggers @ October 6th 2021,17:04:15 )

Did you update your profile picture especially for this post, Brad?


That one is for the ladies, Twiggers!
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Old post #9 posted Oct 6th 2021, 17:14:05 Quote 

Quote ( Brad Marshall @ October 6th 2021,16:18:04 )




This is not what you learned in school, boys and girls!




How many things do we use that we learn in school ?
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Old post #10 posted Oct 6th 2021, 17:14:54 (last edited Oct 6th 2021, 17:16:12 by Adam Harter) Quote 
Quote ( Brad Marshall @ October 6th 2021,16:18:04 )



The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) reminds us in the Guide for the Use of the International System of Units (SI):

https://physics.nist.gov/cuu/pdf/sp811.pdf

Your driver does not mass 65kg but rather 65 kg. You did not fill your car with 108l but with 108 l. And you did not gain 43ms in Q1 but 43 ms. Even the track temperature should read 23 °C rather than 23°C.


Actually, "108 l" is also wrong according to the NIST, at least if you typed it in the USA. It should be "108 L" instead. ;)
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Old post #11 posted Oct 6th 2021, 17:16:36 Quote 
One fake GPRO problem at a time, Adam!
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Old post #12 posted Oct 6th 2021, 17:18:44 Quote 
Quote ( Brad Marshall @ October 6th 2021,17:16:36 )

One fake GPRO problem at a time, Adam!


Sorry, the chance to indulge in editor porn was too tempting to ignore.
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Old post #13 posted Oct 6th 2021, 17:20:22 Quote 
Quote ( Adam Harter @ October 6th 2021,17:18:44 )

Quote ( Brad Marshall @ October 6th 2021,17:16:36 )

One fake GPRO problem at a time, Adam!


Sorry, the chance to indulge in editor porn was too tempting to ignore.
@Brad Marshall (E) JUNIOR ALERT!!!
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Old post #14 posted Oct 6th 2021, 17:46:41 Quote 
Are you sure it shouldn't be 23° C?
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Old post #15 posted Oct 6th 2021, 17:51:08 Quote 
I'm sure you'd get on really well with Peter Hitchens
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Old post #16 posted Oct 6th 2021, 17:52:41 Quote 
Quote ( Cameron Halsall @ October 6th 2021,17:51:08 )

I'm sure you'd get on really well with Peter Hitchens
who's Peter Hitchens?
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Old post #17 posted Oct 6th 2021, 17:58:37 (last edited Oct 6th 2021, 18:00:10 by Adam Harter) Quote 
Quote ( Bogdan Hutanu @ October 6th 2021,17:46:41 )

Are you sure it shouldn't be 23° C?


I can't tell if this is editor-bait, but I'll take it at face value.

No, never put a space between the degree symbol and the "C" in Celsius. The measurement unit is "degrees Celsius" so the space would make no sense.

Style guides (such as Oxford or Chicago) I believe recommend writing temperatures without any spaces, e.g. 23ºC. But NIST recommends the space between the number and the degree symbol as Brad posted.
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Old post #18 posted Oct 6th 2021, 17:59:58 Quote 
Brad I’m confused none of these measurements are in feet, inches, pounds, or touchdowns
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Old post #19 posted Oct 6th 2021, 18:05:45 Quote 
Brad is not American confirmed. We knew all along!
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Old post #20 posted Oct 6th 2021, 18:07:44 Quote 
Erk, If I remember it went something like four touchdowns = (stripper) pole position.
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Old post #21 posted Oct 6th 2021, 18:09:42 Quote 
Thank you Brad. You should be rewarded with 5kg of 8oz ravioli sauce in a 5L esky.
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Old post #22 posted Oct 6th 2021, 21:27:09 Quote 
Quote ( Ricardo Antunes @ October 6th 2021,18:05:45 )

Brad is not American confirmed. We knew all along!


explains why he’s capable of being an elite
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Old post #23 posted Oct 6th 2021, 21:29:03 Quote 
I'm French Canadian like Alain.
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Old post #24 posted Oct 6th 2021, 22:37:15 Quote 
Quote ( Sonny Long @ October 6th 2021,17:52:41 )

Quote ( Cameron Halsall @ October 6th 2021,17:51:08 )

I'm sure you'd get on really well with Peter Hitchens
who's Peter Hitchens?


A man who spends all his time complaining on twitter that we don't live in the 1950s anymore
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Old post #25 posted Oct 7th 2021, 01:09:39 Quote 
The space between number and unit needs to be non-breaking! Otherwise, such horrors as
"The volume of the tank is 180
dm³, but everyone knows that."
would be permitted.

Chaos! Anarchy!
I'm appalled that the NIST doesn't lose one word about this. Until they fix this, I refuse to adhere to their incomplete and erroneous rules!
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Old post #26 posted Oct 7th 2021, 01:11:44 Quote 
I will follow Jens.

From now on, i will count my s lap times as m

1 38 ms 900
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Old post #27 posted Oct 7th 2021, 01:28:29 Quote 
Rickers gud!
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Old post #28 posted Oct 7th 2021, 12:21:24 Quote 
Quote ( Cameron Halsall @ October 6th 2021,22:37:15 )

Quote ( Sonny Long @ October 6th 2021,17:52:41 )

Quote ( Cameron Halsall @ October 6th 2021,17:51:08 )

I'm sure you'd get on really well with Peter Hitchens
who's Peter Hitchens?


A man who spends all his time complaining on twitter that we don't live in the 1950s anymore
yeah, sounds like Donald Trump to me, haha :)
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Old post #29 posted Oct 7th 2021, 12:34:20 Quote 
Quote ( Ricardo Antunes @ October 7th 2021,01:11:44 )

I will follow Jens.

From now on, i will count my s lap times as m

1 38 ms 900


1 what? 138 ms? 1 lightyear 38 ms?

I'd prefer 98 seconds 900 milliseconds in this case
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Old post #30 posted Oct 7th 2021, 15:32:37 Quote 
I vote Tice!
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