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Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 14th 2022,16:49:13 ) That is, any crime in the world is committed by Russia.
This is what is called Russophobia. If you don't know what to do then blame it on Russia or Putin...
and the list is LONG...
I was surprised that corona fault did not land in Russia...
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Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 14th 2022,16:49:13 ) This is what is called Russophobia.
"Russophobia" - definition according to www.merriam-webster.com: "fear or dislike of Russia or Russian policy"
As some one in the baltics, I sure got fears about Russia and I certainly dislike a lot of Russian policies.
Russia also claims to have fear of NATO (aka the west) and dislike of western policies. So would it be fair to say you/Russia is Europhobic/westernphobic or americanphobic?
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Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 14th 2022,16:49:13 ) Quote ( Paulo Neves @ March 14th 2022,16:39:04 )
For each crime Russia commits, Dmitry has an excuse!
That is, any crime in the world is committed by Russia.
This is what is called Russophobia.
Don't play the victim here. We are not talking about "any crime in the world" we are talking about deaths directly resulted of a Russian crime. Russia is the invader, Russia is the bomber, there are thousands casualties, assume and don't invent an excuse for every one of them. They are Russia making and Russia responsibility.
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An incident occurred with an outsider in the frame on the air of the Vremya program
Moscow. March 14th. INTERFAX.RU - Channel One is conducting an official check of the incident with an outsider who was in the frame during the live broadcast of the Vremya program.
"In the live broadcast of the Vremya program, there really was an incident with an outsider in the frame, an internal check is underway," the channel's press service said.
Earlier, a video of the broadcast of the Vremya news program on Channel One appeared on the Internet. During the broadcast, a girl with a poster with pacifist slogans ran out into the frame with the host of the program, Ekaterina Andreeva.
https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2022/03/14/7331354/
https://www.interfax.ru/russia/828149
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Quote ( Paulo Neves @ March 14th 2022,18:02:21 ) Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 14th 2022,16:49:13 )
Quote ( Paulo Neves @ March 14th 2022,16:39:04 )
For each crime Russia commits, Dmitry has an excuse!
That is, any crime in the world is committed by Russia.
This is what is called Russophobia.
Don't play the victim here. We are not talking about "any crime in the world" we are talking about deaths directly resulted of a Russian crime. Russia is the invader, Russia is the bomber, there are thousands casualties, assume and don't invent an excuse for every one of them. They are Russia making and Russia responsibility.
Why we dont talk then about this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_bombing_of_Yugoslavia
This civilians:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ1ue6XXR-M
This kids:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLJh-ad-DYA
Hypocrits!
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Quote ( Kaspar Marcus Paukson @ March 14th 2022,08:21:28 ) While I understand that people shouldn't suffer from the grasps of politicians. I also think that an eye for an eye is valid in this case. Ukrainian citizens suffer, so should Russians.
No. Never valid, eye for an eye. I get that you're closer than me and emotional, but just fucking no. Humans need to get this revenge response out of our systems because it's actually what's triggering a lot of this (or allowing the politicians to manipulate people to trigger this) and its utter nonsense.
How many of the justifications for this current barbarity are based on this exact principle? X did Y to Z so we kill X. But you killed X so we... ah fuck, it's an endless loop of shit. And it's just normal people that get fucked, not the people playing the game with us as tokens. Stop listening to their nonsense, stop playing their games.
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That is main difference?? Haha listen USA propaganda, nice.
That is same!!
When USA said that is right, that is ok then haha. You have brain wash
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Nope, we don't. Nobody denies that it was a sad affair.
By the end of the war, the Yugoslavs had killed 1,500[32] to 2,131 combatants,[33] while choosing to heavily target Kosovar Albanian civilians, with 8,676 killed or missing[33] and some 848,000 expelled from Kosovo.[34]
The NATO bombing killed about 1,000 members of the Yugoslav security forces in addition to between 489 and 528 civilians.
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Quote ( Niels Van Heijster @ March 14th 2022,17:08:40 ) The view on this side is that the invasion is unjustified!
That is, they will be satisfied with the option when Ukraine begins to win with the help of their weapons and instead of ending this war (conditionally) in two months, they want to extend it for two years?
Did they decide that Russian and Ukrainian soldiers should pay?
You understand that in order to overthrow Putin, your Western rulers want to destroy a lot of living people in two foreign countries.
Moreover, I have repeatedly said that they have such a policy everywhere - in order to remove the "wrong" government, many thousands of other people's lives can be killed. Serbia, Iraq, Libya, Syria - don't you think the technology is the same?
Quote ( Niels Van Heijster @ March 14th 2022,17:08:40 ) (you, me, and all other normal civilians) so much against each other?
I personally have a positive attitude towards anyone in any country. I have been to many countries and communicated normally everywhere.
I am ready to communicate normally, answer and ask.
But only until the moment when I personally (!!!) they do not begin to accuse me of something that I personally did not commit.
And I am always ready to explain my position. Yes, based on the information I have.
Do you want me to change my position? It's possible. Let's check our facts.
It's possible that there's something else I don't know.
In Mikhail Bulgakov's famous work "The Master and Margarita" by Yeshua Ha Nozri in conversation with Pontius Pilate:
- "Good people"? Do you call everyone that?
- Everyone, there are no evil people in the world.
I live by the same principle - all people are kind, only circumstances have made them unhappy.
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Quote ( Harri Pakosta @ March 14th 2022,17:59:53 ) Russia also claims to have fear of NATO (aka the west) and dislike of western policies. So would it be fair to say you/Russia is Europhobic/westernphobic or americanphobic?
We are afraid that your governments will drag you back into some nasty substance.
We treat any people normally and positively. And we don't want to fight anyone.
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Quote ( Paulo Neves @ March 14th 2022,18:02:21 ) Don't play the victim here. We are not talking about "any crime in the world" we are talking about deaths directly resulted of a Russian crime. Russia is the invader, Russia is the bomber, there are thousands casualties, assume and don't invent an excuse for every one of them. They are Russia making and Russia responsibility.
Eight years in Donetsk and this afternoon (20 killed) is Russia also to blame?
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Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 14th 2022,22:33:56 ) We treat any people normally and positively. And we don't want to fight anyone.
Interesting.
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Today is the day. It's Tuesday. Putin, you better bring your A game. The powerful @Scott Wood (A26) will expect nothing less.
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So which way round is right?
you criticise the western allies for helping Ukraine defend themselves , when Russia have been sending arms and weapons to the break away regions, which you obviously think is fine.
which shows how warped your point of view, anything Russia does is right anything anyone else does is wrong, will your criticise China for sending parts and weapons to Russia to help them circumnavigate the sanctions or will it be fine because those weapons are going to Russia.
Russia have been de-stablising Ukraine for a long time, whenever its talked about the civilian casualties in Ukraine , you say oh but its a warzone or its faked or the ukrainians are shelling their own people etc etc, but as soon as its in a Russian held area it's terrible and its definitely true
All you are doing is re-enforcing the stereotypes about Russians which is sad because I thought in 2022 we would be in a different place even more so when the world has so many challenges to face without the pointless aggression by your Government
Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 14th 2022,22:36:10 )
Eight years in Donetsk and this afternoon (20 killed) is Russia also to blame?
Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 14th 2022,22:29:33 )
That is, they will be satisfied with the option when Ukraine begins to win with the help of their weapons and instead of ending this war (conditionally) in two months, they want to extend it for two years?
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We are not talking about that because we are talking about what is happening in Ukraine. But, it is advisable to get some information about others before calling them "hypocrits". Check my answer to Alexei Malkin, post number 2035, 3 days ago:
Quote ( Paulo Neves @ March 11th 2022,16:33:55 ) Well, talk about knocking at the wrong door. I'm very critic of Nato and USA. I've criticised them over and over again, when they invaded Iraq, for example or when NATO bombed Servia. Till the day of the invasion, I defended that Ukraine should keep neutrality and not join NATO (not any more). So, I don't receive lessons of coherence from you and don't need to prove that I don't "just trust".
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Quote ( Luke Frost @ March 14th 2022,23:24:18 )
Today is the day. It's Tuesday. Putin, you better bring your A game. The powerful @Scott Wood (A26) will expect nothing less.
Dont take the piss Luke, he might be stalking him right now, remember he is a hunter.
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Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 14th 2022,22:29:33 ) That is, they will be satisfied with the option when Ukraine begins to win with the help of their weapons and instead of ending this war (conditionally) in two months, they want to extend it for two years?
Dmitry, do you blame the US for sending help to the USSR during WWII, extending the war for another 4 years instead of watching it end quickly? Yes, they entered the war themselves, eventually, but the help had started earlier.
And "conditionally" is not the best word to say - "accept all our conditions". I'd say, "surrender unconditionally" is more like it.
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Russian asks China for food
According to CNN, Russia has asked China for financial and technical support, as well as food. The publication writes that the Russian army in Ukraine is experiencing significant problems with food, so it constantly resorts to looting.
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Quote ( Peter Willmore @ March 14th 2022,23:27:20 ) Russia have been de-stablising Ukraine for a long time
For eight years Poroshenko, and then Zelensky, said from every corner in Europe that "Ukraine is at war with Russia."
He asked for money and weapons.
Money was stolen. Do you know why Ukraine was not accepted into the EU? Because there is an exorbitant level of corruption - even your media did not hesitate to write about it.
And all eight years Russia did not come to this war.
And now I've come. Because the whole world already knows that "Ukraine is at war with Russia."
And now Ukraine sees what it is when it really needs to fight with Russia.
If for eight years Poroshenko and Zelensky deceived both their residents and the whole world that he was "fighting," now the whole world has abandoned him. And he thought that NATO would start fighting for him. Comedian.
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Quote ( Serhiy Cherkasov @ March 15th 2022,08:44:21 ) According to CNN, Russia has asked China for financial and technical support, as well as food. The publication writes that the Russian army in Ukraine is experiencing significant problems with food, so it constantly resorts to looting.
I mean that's mostly due to lack of trucks that Russia has. Their logistics is slowly losing them the war, so even if China did send the food it wouldn't reach frontlines... It'd just stock up the shelves or be similar to the feeding fiasco back when Putin was a lower ranking official... Food was promised to people but never reached the people. Russia does not have the means to transport this food to their frontlines so the looting will continue regardless. Besides I'm pretty sure China is kinda pissed at Russia for starting this war, since sooner or later China will have to choose a side and I'm pretty sure it doesn't want to ruin it's relations with either Russia nor the US(and allies).
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Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 15th 2022,08:56:53 ) Quote ( Peter Willmore @ March 14th 2022,23:27:20 )
He asked for money and weapons.
Money was stolen. Do you know why Ukraine was not accepted into the EU? Because there is an exorbitant level of corruption - even your media did not hesitate to write about it.
Russian blame others for corruption :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Quote ( Piotr Noworyta @ March 15th 2022,00:05:30 ) Dmitry, do you blame the US for sending help to the USSR during WWII
I have never blamed the USA for the help.
Their help was always needed.
Russia fully closed its lend-lease debts only in 2006. That is, we paid and also said thank you. in
Yes, and America opened the second front, once the Germans were standing near Moscow, and when they were already approaching their border.
Weren't you afraid that Stalin would reach Lisbon?
So now the same thing will happen again. As soon as we close the Donetsk cauldron, surround Kiev - the Americans will resort to negotiate - how we will divide Ukraine and they will want to liberate Lviv from the Nazis themselves.
To pass it to Poland. These are your territories, remember?
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Quote ( Petr Tomas @ March 15th 2022,09:04:15 )
Russian blame others for corruption
Am I accusing? Learn to read before you write.
And I know about corruption in Russia better than you, they tell you fairy tales.
By the way, thank you for your great help with our corruption.
After Abramovich, you will not see our stolen money. Our oligarchs will have to be patriots and invest money in Russia.
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Hello...I AM AGAINST ANY WAR...but i can listen only one side of it through media...please could a Russian explain their point of view? and Battalion Azov that are fighting for Ukraine?
Thank you and I hope this FU@@ing war end soon...
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Quote ( Serhiy Cherkasov @ March 15th 2022,08:44:21 ) Russian asks China for food
According to CNN, Russia has asked China for financial and technical support, as well as food. The publication writes that the Russian army in Ukraine is experiencing significant problems with food, so it constantly resorts to looting.
Before you post fakes here, ask me. I may already have an answer.
The Chinese Embassy in Washington unequivocally denied this information. In an interview with a journalist of the agency , the official representative of the Chinese Embassy in the United States Liu Pengyu said (https://www.reuters.com/world/chinese-embassy-says-has-never-heard-russian-requests-ukraine-help-2022-03-13/) that "the Chinese side has never heard of such appeals." Russia has not asked China for food or other assistance.
Lie on, you're doing well.
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Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 15th 2022,09:20:19 ) Before you post fakes here, ask me. I may already have an answer.
The Chinese Embassy in Washington unequivocally denied this information. In an interview with a journalist of the agency , the official representative of the Chinese Embassy in the United States Liu Pengyu said (https://www.reuters.com/world/chinese-embassy-says-has-never-heard-russian-requests-ukraine-help-2022-03-13/) that "the Chinese side has never heard of such appeals." Russia has not asked China for food or other assistance.
Lie on, you're doing well.
Is that the same type of denial we saw from Putin when asked of he was invading.... if so..... Strong point :-)
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Any denial of information by a Russian propagandist only confirms its correctness!
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Quote ( Simone Rossi @ March 15th 2022,09:15:42 ) Hello...I AM AGAINST ANY WAR...but i can listen only one side of it through media...please could a Russian explain their point of view? and Battalion Azov that are fighting for Ukraine?
The media on each side writes its own.
This is understandable and understandable, ideology and propaganda have not been canceled.
Therefore, there are Russian media, and there are Ukrainian ones.
And there are independent, neutral media.
For example, American, English, Polish and others.
Media of countries that are not involved in the conflict.
Independent and neutral :)))) Funny.
The media, which are completely on the Ukrainian side. And for many years, even before 2014.
I wonder why?
I can answer the questions.
Even on both sides - as anyone thinks.
Ask specifically.
The Azov battalion is now blocked in Mariupol. A national battalion funded by the oligarch Akhmetov. It seems to be recognized as Nazi even in America, but did not specify.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D0%B7%D0%BE%D0%B2_(%D0%...
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