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Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ September 25th 2022,23:43:18 ) Quote ( Jimmy Holm @ September 25th 2022,23:19:45 )
Because we are sane and know that if NATO wanted to fight Russia, Russia would already be ashes.
Like Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Exactly
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Quote ( Jimmy Holm @ September 25th 2022,23:19:45 ) Because we are sane and know that if NATO wanted to fight Russia, Russia would already be ashes. Quote ( Jimmy Holm @ September 25th 2022,23:19:45 ) Because we are sane and know that if NATO wanted to fight Russia, Russia would already be ashes. How easy it is with you. Why is NATO not at war in full with Russia? It's so easy to turn Russia into ashes. And it would have ended so quickly. When you talk about NATO, you probably mean Finland.
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Quote ( Konstantin Sobolev @ September 26th 2022,00:35:58 ) It's so easy to turn Russia into ashes. And it would have ended so quickly. When you talk about NATO, you probably mean Finland.
Because despite whatever your propaganda has shoved down your throats all these years, NATO has never had any interest in invading or destroying your nation, nor does it now.
Your propaganda paints up a picture of an enemy that doesn't exist to scare the people into accepting the measures taken in "defense".
It's YOUR mentality that is "the weak should be conquered, crushed, subjugated" and "any historical land is Russian land", not NATO's.
Russia is a weak and pathetic state that nevertheless has nukes. It can retaliate, through nukes, even though its conventional forces are 40 years behind a modern army. It doesn't have enemies, it creates enemies. It doesn't get attacked, it attacks. It hasn't been invaded, it invades. There are these sick mental images in your mind of the great superpower Russia with the right to rule over its neighbors. The liberator, the ruler of all slavic peoples.
The problem with Russia is that it was never de-communized. It never had to answer for its crimes, it never had to learn of them or face the reality. It never apologized, it never felt any regret for its criminal actions.
Instead it was taught a dream history of its own glory, indoctrinated into the children each generation.
What happened in Germany should have happened in the USSR too.
Then maybe it could have become a normal, productive and prosperous nation like Germany did. Instead you are just a North Korea light. The North Koreans also believe themselves to be the strongest nation on Earth with glorious achievements and feared by all. Their propaganda sounds exactly like yours.
And no, by NATO I mean NATO.
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Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ September 25th 2022,23:43:18 ) Like Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
The first Nukes almost had to happen on a historical level so the world could understand the term "never more". At that time, they were not widely understood even by the people that were making them. Some thought they would blow up the world. The nukes were dropped for a number of reasons, including the cost in manpower to invade japan's homeland, where women and children would be used against the US. Also they were a sign to the USSR that they were not free to take anything in their path because of the size of their army at the end of WWII.
In some classified papers here in Canada, is a story of where a troop of Canadians were told to hold a bridge against Russian forces, even if it meant firing on them, during WW2. Once the USSR got rolling there was every sign they were not going to stop until europe was gone. If they thought there was any way to take all of europe, many in the milkitary feared the Russians would keep coming. That fight at the bridge was solved when the Canadians went to the Russians with alcohol and said, "why fight when we can drink" and the fight never started. However, the orders were given. To that end, the US also wanted to show the USSR that they had a bomb which was capable of significant damage to the USSR and with clear air superiority and long range ability, even Moscow would not be safe. No one knows what went through the minds of Stalin at that, time but at least WW2 ended so maybe those first two nukes saved lives in a weird way. NATO was formed against that threat and has never attacked but been ready as it is now. We will not be the first to push any button even if it meant losing Ukraine to Russia.
I have written before about comments from WW2 prisoners who found the Russian mentality just as Jimmy above wrote it. Put fear into the people, of the west, and control the media and you have a perfect ability to convince a large number of people of the value of the war. Soon there will be more talk of Russia being invaded and how you have to fight more for that reason. This is a war that never should have happened.
I would suggest that people that like the idea of war, sign up for recruitment. You would be accepted and are young enough now that the age has been lifted. instead it is the people that do not want to go to war that are being sent. Why is it that big cities like Moscow never send their proportion of the population to the front and instead feed immigrants, poor and uneducated people from remote areas who are lied to and do not understand what will happen to them. I think Moscovites should put up or shut up and join the war themselves.
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Sorry for the double post.
This war never has been about what is good for the Russian people. You can tell from the number that have left, or are trying to leave what they think about it. Most are tied to their homes and cannot leave but the sanctions, loss of life and gain of nothing even if they do hold their ground. This war was all about one mans aspirations to leave office on a high note as one of the great leaders of Russia. He does not care how many people...on either side...have to die as long as he gets what he wants. How far will he drag you guys down before you say NO, or are you just pack dogs loyal to the bitter end, regardless of what that means.
If there can be no gain, than any further war is just stupidity by the leaders and stupidity of the people following them. I wonder how many russians in GPRO are going to be called up and what they think of the whole thing....wait, they are not allowed to say or have their own ideas. The state rules all......
I thought in the end Russians would be smarter. Time will tell.
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⚡️ Poland, Ireland, Lithuania, Estonia and Latvia proposed a ban in response to the import of diamonds from Russia, where ALROSA is the world's largest producer of raw diamonds, - Reuters.
The European Commission is expected to submit a formal proposal for additional sanctions to member states this week.
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I see Dimtry hasn't said anything since yesterday.
Was he drafted? :D
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Quote ( Adrian Ghita @ September 26th 2022,13:45:20 ) I see Dimtry hasn't said anything since yesterday.
Was he drafted? :D
Drafted to the Clown parade.
He's designed and brainwashed for it, a genuine Vatnik.
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Since yesterday, we have a couple of burnt military enlistment offices - one of them in a very intricate way, which made it possible to set fire it to calmly go away. One shot military commissar, which now in intensive care and one self-immolation in protest of mobilization. I think it's better to burn military commissars, as a sign of protest.
We also have a potential checkpoint in Russia on the border with Georgia and a not entirely clear ban on the exit of male citizens under 55 years of age.
Welcome to the concentration camp, still its light version. Don't say I didn't warn you.
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There was a minute, I decided to look for who in Poland protests so strongly against its "ukrainization", like said Dmytro. Here's a great note:
Anti-Ukrainian protest in Poland attracts no participants
On Sunday in Sanok, a town of 37,000 in southeaster Poland near the border with Ukraine, Karolina Pikuła, a Confederation activist and associate of Braun, organised another protest against the “Ukrainisation of Poland” on the market square.
However, during the event – which Pikuła streamed live on YouTube – no one turned up. The only interest shown was from a man who came to argue with her. :)
https://notesfrompoland.com/2022/09/26/anti-ukrainian-protes...
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Quote ( Adrian Ghita @ September 26th 2022,13:45:20 ) I see Dimtry hasn't said anything since yesterday.
Was he drafted? :D
Hopefully, but I doubt it.
He is a fully signed up member of the Russian army Typing Pool.
I think he is escaping to Georgia and changed his name to Dumbitry Nazi ev. :)
not missing him at all though :) Useless coward.
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⚡️Starting today, Russians will be prohibited (with minor exceptions) from entering Poland through Chopin Airport in Warsaw. The ban also applies to other air and sea border crossings, writes Wyborcza pl.
"By order of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the administration, Poland has tightened entry restrictions for Russian citizens," Chopin Airport said in a statement.
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⚡️ Ukrainian experts study samples of downed Iranian Shahed-136 kamikaze drones. The Armed Forces of Ukraine are developing a system to counter these drones, said Nataliya Humenyuk, spokeswoman for the "Southern" OC.
"This is a fairly new weapon that we encountered, so all the samples that we managed to extract are being studied by specialists, and the most effective system for countering them will be worked out," she stressed.
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https://t.me/ukrarmed_forces/20288
The realities of supplying the russian army: no sleeping bags, no medicines, no tourniquets, she say - you will stop the blood with tampons and pads, ask your wives and sisters for them.
The rams are led to the slaughter and they have to buy everything with their money. This is some kind of surrealism - instead of demolishing their filthy power - they dutifully go to Ukraine without anything. I wish I could take a closer look at their "body armor" and uniforms.
And what is most offensive is that the russian first-aid kits, they are equipped with old, cheap Esmarch tourniquets, which are torn every other time. But for the Russian wounded who were taken prisoner, our military imposes excellent modern CAT turnstiles or Ukrainian SiCH, which were donated by the whole country or which were paid for by volunteers or taxpayers from abroad.
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Quote ( Robert Kearney @ September 26th 2022,19:31:43 ) not missing him at all though he did entertained us for a while
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⚡️ Ukraine will fight "to the last drop of blood", but its victory in the war with Russia "will not be the final". This was stated by the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, General Valeriy Zaluzhny, in an interview with the American publication TIME.
"Knowing what I know about the Russians firsthand, our victory will not be final. It will be an opportunity to catch our breath and prepare for the next war," he said.
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Quote ( Serhiy Cherkasov @ September 26th 2022,20:04:40 ) "Knowing what I know about the Russians firsthand, our victory will not be final. It will be an opportunity to catch our breath and prepare for the next war," he said.
Zaluzhny knows what he's talking about, he just reads our forum
His interview and TIME cover
https://time.com/6216213/ukraine-military-valeriy-zaluzhny/
Everything we assumed was true - in the spring - the only way to stop the Russians on the way to Kyiv - was to launch them deep into the territory and cut off supply routes, as well as attack the sprawling columns. It is unfortunate that because of this, many people ended up in temporary occupation.
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War in Ukraine. Total estimated losses of the Russian occupying forces for the 215th day (26.09.22)
~57200(+500) In personnel
260(+1) Aircraft
224(+4) Helicopters
2290(+15) Tanks
4857(+25) BBM
1369(+1) Artillery systems
172(+1) Air defense means
330(+2) RSZV
3711(+10) Automotive equipment and tanks with PMM
15 Ships and boats
970(+4) Operational-tactical UAVs
216 (+1) Cruise missiles
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Quote ( Joaquim Sierra @ September 26th 2022,20:02:15 )
Quote ( Robert Kearney @ September 26th 2022,19:31:43 )
not missing him at all though he did entertained us for a while
More like torture ;)
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Probably this video has been already linked here:
Putin's lies, lies, lies since 2008... (must see it! And show this to all who need to refresh their memory, please.)
https://twitter.com/Kira_Yarmysh/status/1574378724308312066?...
The one-and-a-quarter minute montage begins with an excerpt from an interview with ARD television on August 29, 2008, in which Putin says: “Crimea is not a disputed territory. Russia long ago recognized the borders of today's Ukraine."
The following is an excerpt from an interview conducted in the spring of 2014, when the Ukrainian peninsula of Crimea began to be occupied by Russian soldiers, whom everyone knew were Russian soldiers.
At the time, Putin not-so-convincingly stated: "These are the local self-defense forces." At least he kept his eyes off the camera.
A shot later from April 17, 2014, Putin says on Russian television forcefully and confidently: "Of course, our soldiers were behind the Crimean militia."
In another excerpt, Putin brazenly talks about the fact that he never concealed the presence of Russian soldiers in Crimea. "It's a fact. We never hid it. The Russian armed forces, I will say it straight, blocked the Ukrainian armed forces stationed in Crimea," he said.
Another clip shows Putin in the Kremlin giving a speech to members of the State Duma in which he defends the annexation of Crimea. But his words are aimed at Ukrainians.
"Don't believe those who are scaring you with Russia, shouting that Crimea will be followed by other regions. We do not wish for the division of Ukraine, we do not need it," he assured at the time.
This is followed by a sharp cut to February 24, 2022, when Putin announces the launch of a "special military operation" in Donbas to ensure the "demilitarization" and "denazification" of all of Ukraine.
"I have decided to carry out a special military operation," he announced just three days after Russia recognized the independence of the self-proclaimed people's republics in Ukraine's Donetsk and Luhansk regions.
The following is an excerpt from his statement that a military operation in Ukraine can be handled by a professional army.
"Basic service soldiers do not and will not participate in combat operations. And reservists won't even be called up," he assured at the time.
There was so much evidence that thousands of groundhogs were involved in the invasion of Ukraine that even the Kremlin could not deny it. He called it an error that would be investigated and not repeated.
The last video in the montage originating from last Wednesday, in which the president of the Russian Federation announces nothing but the mobilization of reservists, testifies to how Putin's next promise that there will be no mobilization of reservists turned out.
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Ready for the call up Dimitro?
Here’s a little something to spur you on.LOL
“Pack up your troubles in your old kit bag
And smile, smile, smile.
Don't let your joy and laughter hear the snag
Smile boys, that's the style
What's the use of worrying
It never was worth while
So, pack up your troubles in your old kit bag
And smile, smile, smile.”
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Only 3 possible options, the Russians all took a holiday at the same time, they're running for the border before martial law is introduced or they already got mobilized.
Very quiet here at the moment, but maybe Dmitry is just stocking up on propaganda pieces from the ultranationalist group chat.
The last part isn't even a joke, I'm willing to bet my right leg that Dmitry isn't coming up with all those "articles" himself, I'm absolutely sure there's a group of like-minded individuals gathering and sharing them through different sources.
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if people keep leaving Russia at this rate in few days they will have the number they wanted to mobilize, but out of the country.
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Quote ( Adrian Ghita @ September 26th 2022,13:45:20 ) I see Dimtry hasn't said anything since yesterday.
Was he drafted? :D
Maybe he finally understood and is heading for the border. 😁
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So somebody has blown up the NordStream gas pipelines.
As far as I'm concerned that's mostly good news, but I'm not sure who is responsible. Both sides can have things to gain from this.
If it's for example the US that's behind it, destroying the pipelines means fence sitters like Germany won't have as much to lose by taking a stronger stand, the gas card is gone for the near future even if they appease Russia.
For Russia it can be used to escalate and claim NATO sabotage is behind it, especially due to some comments Biden made in the past about stopping the pipelines. It could also be a useful false flag to create division between gas hungry countries like Germany and the others.
On the other hand, it can be used as a threat that similar actions could be taken against for example Norway's pipelines.
But on the other hand, they also lose a blackmailing card from their deck.
Whoever is behind it, I think we can be sure that the propaganda will give 2 wildly different versions in the west and the east.
One probably unrelated fact - NATO helicopters were sub-hunting in the Baltic sea yesterday. It was probably just an exercise. Probably.
Whoever did it probably didn't use a large military submarine, the Baltic is shallow and filled with underwater sensors, I don't think anybody could sneak in there undetected with such vessels.
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The German press writes about recorded underwater explosions and, possibly, sabotage involving divers, which is more likely than a bulky submarine.
I think if something happens to the Ukrainian gas pipeline in the near future, it will be clear that Russia is behind this, which has decided to blackout the EU and Ukraine. If not, then it's probably the USA or Russia playing some king of mindgames. In any case, all this is fortune-telling on the coffee grounds. Personally, I prepare for the worst in the hope of the best.
But if this is work of russian divers, hard times will also come for the Norwegian pipe.
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And none of you are confused by the fact that on September 25, it was there that the NATO naval exercises "Dynamic Messenger-22" began. The main purpose of these exercises is to monitor the operation of unmanned aerial vehicles in the marine environment. NATO, among other things, practices countering submarines.
Oh yeah. I completely forgot. If something bad happens, Russia will be to blame. You don't even have to think about it, and you don't have to prove anything.)
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