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Shall we send them back to Rookie?
Prijavi se da glasuješ ili da vidiš rezultate ankete
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Tema: Top 3 Punishment in Elite |
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See. Now its gettin sexy..
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I feel disappointed that my failures are used as an excuse to promote such ridiculous ideas. :)
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Quote ( Jukka Sireni @ January 4th 2017,19:45:03 ) ... ridiculous ideas.
Which? There were 15 or ...X?
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This suggestion has already taken effect, I see Leandro back at rookie :D
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Sven: the situation is that you received a big like from me, instantly! :))
We really need antitrust legislations!
I would mention: your 4th point can also contain that we should send almost no managers (best players) to Rookie, because finishing lower than 3rd position would be permitted in the future, for everyone, every time.
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Jukka: maybe it was a failure, but consider: would you have decided otherwise, if you had received a message from top guys that: 'Hey Jukka, the next 5 sponsors are yours, if you wanna negotiate with them' ?
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Tomek: yes, I was who started this topic, because I really feel myself weak in collusion, and besides it hurts my sense of justice.
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Mattias and Rocco: only friends... ;)
And if you felt that I liked your posts on a personal base, I can assure you that no, I didn't.
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Quote ( Florencia Caro @ January 4th 2017,22:40:17 ) This suggestion has already taken effect, I see Leandro back at rookie :D
Who is?
Where is?
Satirical?
Irony?
Or just ... ?
Frivolous as ...
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Quote ( Tibor Szuromi @ January 4th 2017,22:56:12 ) Quote ( Florencia Caro @ January 4th 2017,22:40:17 )
This suggestion has already taken effect, I see Leandro back at rookie :D
Who is?
Where is?
Satirical?
Irony?
Or just ... ?
Frivolous as ... Look at Rookie 206. But is a irony too :)
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Who cares about random rookies? :D
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Quote ( Andrei Harnicu @ January 4th 2017,22:57:58 ) Look at Rookie 206. But is a irony too Yes-Yes. Finished. Florencia --- no longer able to feed him.
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Wait, the troll is not Florencía?
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Looking for trolls? Try looking in the mirror.
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Quote ( Patrik Balogh @ January 4th 2017,23:04:40 ) Wait, the troll is not Florencía?
No. Troll is something else. Florencia is not trolling. Hard to imagine but she is serious most of times.
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Quote ( Daniel Mason @ January 4th 2017,23:05:42 ) Looking for trolls? Try looking in the mirror. Quote ( Patrik Balogh @ January 4th 2017,22:47:01 ) Jukka: maybe it was a failure, but consider: would you have decided otherwise, if you had received a message from top guys that: 'Hey Jukka, the next 5 sponsors are yours, if you wanna negotiate with them' ?
I asked it seriously.
EDIT: Jukka also told me in that PM that the structure of sponsor system is likely to permit collusions.
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I already told . It's all frivolous, because it is not the subject of the topic.
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My question is this:
Would this thread exist if you were in said top 3 and not in danger of being relegated?
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Quote ( Rocco Stallone @ January 4th 2017,23:28:07 ) Would this thread exist if you were in said top 3 and not in danger of being relegated?
I believe it would. However, it would have been created by someone else (also in danger of being relegated). :)
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Quote ( Fernando Garcia @ January 4th 2017,23:38:53 ) I believe it would. However, it would have been created by someone else (also in danger of being relegated). :)
But only after being interviewed by Max Watson. :)
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Quote ( Patrik Balogh @ January 4th 2017,08:31:14 ) Quote ( Ignacio Belatti @ January 4th 2017,04:29:25 )
But, anyway, this is what I have got to say: any leftist idea is based on envy and resentment.
Quote ( Patrik Balogh @ January 4th 2017,08:31:14 ) Quote
And any rightist idea is based on what? Egoism and laziness to change the traditions?
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Well, egoism is the motor of our evolution. Is not a bad thing per se. And like any other thing it's a problem when there is an excess of it. Like water, it's good, makes life possible, but too much and you get drowned. If you are a lion and you are not egoistic you don't eat and you don't reproduce. Ain't nature cruel?
Regarding laziness to change traditions, that's conservadurism your are talking about. The opposite of evolutionary. Not a good thing. Everything changes, everything moves. You can't go against that. Being conservative is a lost battle from the start.
You are missing something Pat.
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Okay. I came home to find a PM from a moderator....
1. No *f* bombs even when playing with ** $#$ to hide the real spelling to 'stay within' forum rules. I agree that is bs. My apologies and I will use more restraint in the future.
2. Basically 'don't play politics' in your posts. So yes, David I was warned. Sorry, no basis for moaning about aboriginal bias, unless you want to pursue that, on "my" aboriginal roots. Even I think, that would be a stretch. ;)
NOW... too many posts back, it was suggested that I was dismissing and making 'fun' of Patrik. That may be your thoughts on the post but that was not my intention. I can see how that could be taken in ways other than I intended. (Note to self: second, third review before posting)
Also, in that post was a clear explanation of the intent of Patrik's observations. That post clarified the OP. Fair enough, I may have missed some perspectives in the initial reading. I DO NOT doubt that this possible, to co-ordinate sponsor negotiations and perhaps is in actual practice.
*** However, between teams that are not otherwise associated THAT would be something to curb.
If this, excepting ***, is unfair, then what are you, 'ethically' to do? When your teammate is winning your group to promote, you will allow him to pass, if possible and ensure that you do not attempt to overtake him. Fair? Collusion?
As a team, we will do what is in the best interest of our teammates and the team. Your teammate is the competing manager in sponsor negotiations, are you going to fight him for the sponsor? That is not collusion or a conspiracy to rule the group, it is simply SMART or Knowledgeable playing. Why else would you join a team? i.e. Porsche Performance or any other Top Team
I unfortunately have a habit of questioning empirical statements regarding collusion and conspiracies. As I would in the DE Accounts thread, a bunch of whining malcontents, who could do MORE than accuse and complain about imaginary Double Accounts. I don't go there, it is infuriating.
Regardless, putting voice to concerns about things that have not been an a actual experience of happening (personally or from a teammate) .... requires a skeptical review and substantiation.
Finally.... I initially thought that, Patrik was putting 'me' on with his skeptical posts content and views. I mistakenly, thought that he was 'kidding'... and I was trying to raise some forum banter for fun. The idea that Elite level should be penalized for being 'good' at the game was very humourous to me. It looked like one of my early AM 'ideas' that takes things beyond proportion or reality all the way down to ludicrous.
Patrik, I recognize that you are an informed, intelligent person and have thought about your views. I respect a man who has actually looked at the world, universe etc and has come to his own conclusions. Regardless of what those views may be.
I truly hope that no one was harmed in the making of this diatribe. ;)
ps I would welcome a PM Patrik. No worries, I am not the enemy... and hardly a competitor but... my teammates may challenge you in the future :))
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For those who disliked my #227 post: that interview was really a pleasure for me, and I would like to say 'thank You' to Max once again, for enabling me that chance.
Ignacio: first of all, I didn't want to be provocative in your direction. When I saw your post yesterday, I thought that 'finally, a normal man, who asks me interesting things which I can answer happily'. And maybe no politicial conception is perfect IMO, so we better don't speak about them.
Yeah, nature is cruel. So time to put on that cruel Jag livery. ;) (Even when it disturbs me that most people on the world behave like they were nothing more than nature.)
The original question was if I am based on envy or not. I cannot deny that yes, a bit. But, what is more important, I am in Elite now, so I cannot achieve much more, relatively to myself. And, it also applies that I have nothing to lose, because I reached my main goal in this game, and currently situating in relegation zone.
What also disturbs me that Elite has already taken away the motivation of many talented managers, and they quitted this game without creating similar topics.
Roy: I am not against collusion IN teams. I am against collusion between different teams. For example, one manager from team A and one manager from team B.
Yes, we are Hungarian Crowns from 1 to 14. But our working principle is the same, as you can see by our names. It was the same from beginning. And I think that who created it all, should be respected very much, by the ability to maintain all these teams, as well.
You got a PM from a moderator? This can mean that likes and dislikes are quite vain in this topic, IMO.
And, finally: Quote ( Roy Mitchell @ January 5th 2017,06:55:06 ) Regardless, putting voice to concerns about things that have not been an a actual experience of happening (personally or from a teammate) .... requires a skeptical review and substantiation.
I have heard from one teammate, receiving some messages from an other (really other) team, to collude. I can tell nothing more, because I'm not that teammate. But this is an existing fact.
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And those letters also contained some reference to the top guys, who probably do the same in Elite.
I can accept that sending them back to Rookie is a bit strong. But I wanna see exciting races and championships. All time. As it was in F1 in 2012.
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Quote ( Patrik Balogh @ January 5th 2017,10:40:54 ) And those letters also contained some reference to the top guys, who probably do the same in Elite.
I can accept that sending them back to Rookie is a bit strong. But I wanna see exciting races and championships. All time. As it was in F1 in 2012.
Cmon man! It was 4 years ago! btw 2010 - Vettel, 2011 - Vettel and in 2012 Vettel again. So what are you talking about?
Also, could you please explain me why communicating with other managers is bad? 2, 3, 10 manager communicate to each other. Reach the dial, and happy. You can go fast, win races, and take sponsors regardless of communication of top-10.
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I didn't like Vettel, but that season was such wonderful and exciting on racetracks, that I could accept his win.
We can also see or calculate the standard deviation of points, which proves that the championship was also exciting in 2012. (Once I calculated but lost it.)
Okay maybe, but I would better prefer bigger collusions where everyone has right to speak.
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Who said you don't have right to speak? If you get next season to M4 I'll let you have one sponsor of your choice. Happy?
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It seems on your group forum, that M4 is the friendliest group at the moment. =)
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Quote ( Semir Prosic @ January 5th 2017,12:56:24 ) Who said you don't have right to speak? If you get next season to M4 I'll let you have one sponsor of your choice. Happy?
Naaaa, he is not happy.......
Punch him in the nose! :D
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C'mon Vanis, you know my kind, we don't punch, we just blow things up these days.
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I will think about your offer. (And I am thinking loudly these days.)
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Quote ( Patrik Balogh @ January 5th 2017,12:59:11 ) It seems on your group forum, that M4 is the friendliest group at the moment. =)
That's cos we are all colluding on sponsor negotiations ;)
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Don't forget Robin, next one is mine.
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