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Quote ( Lyee Chong @ September 26th 2018,10:39:45 ) In #312, I see Damir said "claim is not his option" even when he is on L-1. This tells me that he can not be scum, because if I am scum in L-1 situation like this, I will surely claim something. And Damir is also not VT to me because if VT then why not claim? That left the possibility of Damir being a PR to me. That is my take and it is now proven I am right. I went an looked, does make sense, and does show you though he had a PR before the night began, but not killing him makes sense too, as you had pointed out you had seen something to make him town, he would be a good option for a doc to cover.
And just basic WIFOM is a good enough reason...you having the chance to use it as a defense today.
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Quote ( Kevin Parkinson @ September 26th 2018,10:51:09 ) Can you point out where it was sarcasm please? Save me searching. #350
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Quote ( Kirsty Ridley @ September 26th 2018,10:55:43 ) I went an looked, does make sense, and does show you though he had a PR before the night began, but not killing him makes sense too, as you had pointed out you had seen something to make him town, he would be a good option for a doc to cover.
I actually disagree. I think if Lyee truly believed that Damir had a PR and Lyee was scum, Lyee would have killed him at night. I'm not convinced that Lyee truly believed that though, and certainly not enough to target him for a kill over a more experienced player.
But then there is the fact that it was mentioned at the end of the day about Damir and Riley being buddies - I'd called them scummy and Ivelin had specifically mentioned them as a pairing. So mafia could well have thought Damir was a real lynch candidate.
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Quote ( Kirsty Ridley @ September 26th 2018,10:55:43 ) WIFOM
Quote ( Kevin Parkinson @ September 26th 2018,10:51:09 ) WIFOM
If that's the thing you want to put, then whatever any one said/claim/propose/accuse can also counter argue with WIFOM, then how are we going to continue playing game like this?
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Quote ( Lyee Chong @ September 26th 2018,11:05:21 ) If that's the thing you want to put, then whatever any one said/claim/propose/accuse can also counter argue with WIFOM, then how are we going to continue playing game like this?
I've managed OK in the last 36 I've played. Whlie everything is WIFOM to an extent, some is more so than others and it's up to people to evaluate how much to put as strong evidence and how much can be dismissed as too weak.
You saying "I would have done this if scum" is a perfect example of WIFOM that can be dismissed. The very reason you say it is something you would do if scum is reason to not do it so it holds little weight as real evidence.
You can look at something like the reason Harsh or myself should be seen as town. Both still WIFOM, but not as flippant and very hard to explain a reason why the WIFOM play is the actual play given its consequences.
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If I am sucm and I know (or even suspect) Damir is PR how on earth I have a more brialliant idea of not killing him? And went killing Ivelin? Even more laughable why I don't kill you, Kevin while you are the one threw the most bullshit accusation in D1.
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Quote ( Kevin Parkinson @ September 26th 2018,11:09:35 ) You saying "I would have done this if scum" is a perfect example of WIFOM that can be dismissed. The very reason you say it is something you would do if scum is reason to not do it so it holds little weight as real evidence.
And that's if we believe it's something you would do as scum - which may or may not be true in itself. Basically, the point I pointed out as WIFOM has no weight at all.
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Quote ( Lyee Chong @ September 26th 2018,11:10:35 ) If I am sucm and I know (or even suspect) Damir is PR how on earth I have a more brialliant idea of not killing him? And went killing Ivelin? Even more laughable why I don't kill you, Kevin while you are the one threw the most bullshit accusation in D1.
Is this to me?? I just said that I think you would have killed Damir - but I'm not convinced you truly believe he did have a PR.
And what "bullshit accusation" are you talking about? And does it have relevance? Are you questioning my alignment?
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Ya, wifom. So, do I still need to read this thread?
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Unofficial Vote Count
Damir - 0 Harsh - 0 Kevin - 0 Lyee - 2 (Kevin, Damir) Martin - 2 (Yug, Lyee) Kirsty - 0 Yug - 0
Not Voting: Martin, Kirsty, Harsh
The Day Two deadline is Friday the 28th of September, 20:00 CET.
With 7 players alive, 4 votes are required to achieve an instalynch.
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Yug, unless I missed it, you didn't unvote Martin before trying to vote Lyee so your vote on him was invalid.
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Never mind, I did miss it...
Unofficial Vote Count
Damir - 0 Harsh - 0 Kevin - 0 Lyee - 3 (Kevin, Yug, Damir) Martin - 1 (Lyee) Kirsty - 0 Yug - 0
Not Voting: Martin, Kirsty, Harsh
The Day Two deadline is Friday the 28th of September, 20:00 CET.
With 7 players alive, 4 votes are required to achieve an instalynch.
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yug, before Damir claimed, you said it as between him and Martin
Clearly you changed your mind about Damir.... but where did the change on Martin happen?
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The more I read over again, the more I think it is probably Martin.
Kevin, how scummy is Martin to you... is it just the townslip that made him less scummy?
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Although, Lyee trying so hard to find reasons for a PR not claiming is very bell ringing
Just read that part again.
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Quote ( Kirsty Ridley @ September 26th 2018,12:13:22 ) yug, before Damir claimed, you said it as between him and Martin
Was that on day 1 or day 2?
Quote ( Kirsty Ridley @ September 26th 2018,12:14:50 ) The more I read over again, the more I think it is probably Martin.
Kevin, how scummy is Martin to you... is it just the townslip that made him less scummy?
It's not just the townslip. Overall, I just get the feeling that Martin is just newbie town still. But the stuff at the end of day 1 is pretty damning and he seems to have been a bit contradictory with some of his answers about that since.
Lyee is looking dodgy for several reasons and although I had a town leaning on Tom on day 1, it wasn't anything huge (was big enough to say I wasn't lynching him to push the lynch where I wanted it to go on day 1) so you're a candidate just by process of elimination.
If I had to put them in order right now, I'd say Lyee, Kirsty, Martin, but I wouldn't be that disappointed to see any of them lynched today, to be honest as one of the two left should be tracked and should be pretty much game over the next day if we mislynch today. Only way mafia can avoid that is no killing, and that benefits town even more.
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Quote ( Kirsty Ridley @ September 26th 2018,12:13:22 ) but where did the change on Martin happen? It hasn't. For the day's lynch I am okay with Lyee, Martin and you (because of Tom's doing). I unvoted Martin because I wanted to through his stuff and it hasn't swayed my mind too much. Yes, it could be the chaos that got to him but there is scum motivation to it. I am yet to make up my mind about the townslip.
I voted Lyee because of the immediately preceeding post. I think it is full of #$%@. If it was to be answered in 2 lines he could've done it any time. And I don't buy his answer anyway. That was the immediate reason for the vote but he hasn't been particularly inspiring otherwise.
I am of the opinion there is more information to be gained if I am not on any wagon. As I've said, those are the 3 I am okay to lynch. If a strong case is presented against Harsh or Kevin that I've missed, I'll consider it. But until then, I am taking my vote off so we can maybe catch out the scum. And if things start going around in circles I will be happy to hammer anytime. Let the mind games begin!
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Quote ( Yug Desai @ September 26th 2018,12:46:04 ) But until then, I am taking my vote off so we can maybe catch out the scum. And if things start going around in circles I will be happy to hammer anytime. Let the mind games begin!
Do the "mind games" start with you not taking your vote off? lol
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I've been trying to keep my votes at the end of the posts to avoid any further debacles. Sometimes I forget :P
##Unvote Lyee
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I really don't think there is much more to gain from today so happy to get things moved along so can the non-voters (Yug aside) place a vote or at least state who you intend to vote if the person is on L-1?
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Quote ( Kevin Parkinson @ September 26th 2018,12:36:29 ) I'd say Lyee, Kirsty, Martin, but I wouldn't be that disappointed to see any of them lynched today, to be honest as one of the two left should be tracked and should be pretty much game over the next day if we mislynch today. I don't mind people giving out subtle ideas about this but I don't appreciate the way you've done it. You should know that you of all people are never in the clear. You can say that it is not a big problem, because even if this stands out to me and I track you we have a cleared townie. But is that optimal? This has unfortunately created a WIFOM situation for me.
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Quote ( Yug Desai @ September 26th 2018,13:21:59 ) You should know that you of all people are never in the clear.
It's because it is me that I must be in the clear.
You can make any WIFOM argument against it you want, and I'm sure some will, especially of the three I've named (and you agree with), but for me to push the lynch and outright bus Riley to leave me the lone mafia going in to night 1 in a game that mafia knows had a 2/3 chance of having a cop or tracker - and me being a top candidate for the target of such roles - would be beyond stupid. That isn't a bold WIFOM bussing play; that would be sheer stupidity and never an acceptable scum play.
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Quote ( Yug Desai @ September 26th 2018,13:21:59 ) ou can say that it is not a big problem, because even if this stands out to me and I track you we have a cleared townie.
If you track me then I'm going to quote the post you made earlier about being too stupid to play the game :)
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This isn't a closed set up like the last game where they may be things unexpected that I can manipulate for my own scummy benefits. We're talking facts and not strong beliefs, with regards to the set up.
And if anyone believes I would bus my buddy on day 1, knowing a high chance there are one of two investigative roles that could catch me out, then they should really reconsider calling me a good player. There are times when bussing is a benefit. You can't justify it being the case here, especially for me.
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Catching up.... If Lyee is scum,he killed Ivelin and not Damir cause always Ivelin proposed a Lyee lynch,he was always the most critic of him... Still im not fully convinced... My top candidates are Kirsty-Tom and Lyee by far....Then Kevin and lastly Harsh. But i wont make the same mistake of D1,so im willing to lynch anyone of them,some sooner than others.I wont wait till the last minute for voting Kevin or Harsh,but not today....
By the way,hello Kirsty,welcome....
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Martin, someone aid earlier in the game you suspect anyone who suspects you. Is that the case again??
Did you always have Tom as likely scum? Don't remember seeing it stand out, though I did read it all in one go so could have missed it.
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