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Téma: Qualification Tyres vs Race Tires |
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#1 Elküldve: 2016. szeptember 20. 08:42:02
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Hi all,
I know that the tires i choose for Q1 are those that i'll be using in the race, but i just have a question as to how to compete against people using softer tires?
If i intend to race on hards, then i'm not going to qualify as fast as someone who is going to race on softs.
I reckon thats somewhat meant to prevent congestion on the first few laps so the soft tire cars can peal away.
I suppose my question is this: How can i compete for a competitive qualifying time if i'm going to use a harder compound in the race?
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#2 Elküldve: 2016. szeptember 20. 08:44:32 (módosítva: 2016. szeptember 20. 09:37:40 Mick Ridley által)
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Quote ( Roy Rentes @ September 20th 2016,08:42:02 ) I know that the tires i choose for Q1 are those that i'll be using in the race, but i just have a question as to how to compete against people using softer tires?
Use a higher CT !!! Oh no you can't with the loss of your energy !!!
:)
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#3 Elküldve: 2016. szeptember 20. 08:47:38
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Quote ( Roy Rentes @ September 20th 2016,08:42:02 ) how to compete against people using softer tires?
Harder tires last longer --> less pitstops. That's how you compete with them.
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Quote ( Roy Rentes @ September 20th 2016,08:42:02 ) I know that the tires i choose for Q1 are those that i'll be using in the race, but i just have a question as to how to compete against people using softer tires?
I suppose my question is this: How can i compete for a competitive qualifying time if i'm going to use a harder compound in the race?
The qualification is preparation for the race, it's not the main event.
your goal should be competing in the race.
So, even if you are not quite as competitive in the qually, there may be advantages in the race to compensate
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#5 Elküldve: 2016. szeptember 20. 08:50:35
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Quote ( Virgis Lyss @ September 20th 2016,08:47:38 ) Quote ( Roy Rentes @ September 20th 2016,08:42:02 )
how to compete against people using softer tires?
Harder tires last longer --> less pitstops. That's how you compete with them.
Cheers. I know i'll be making fewer pits. My question was purely related to starting grid position.
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#6 Elküldve: 2016. szeptember 20. 08:51:43 (módosítva: 2016. szeptember 20. 08:53:59 Roy Rentes által)
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Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ September 20th 2016,08:49:05 ) Quote ( Roy Rentes @ September 20th 2016,08:42:02 )
So, even if you are not quite as competitive in the qually, there may be advantages in the race to compensate
Aye. In this game, is there any kind of guidleline as to how important grid position is? Can it happen that you get stuck behind someone for many laps, as in real life? Ora are overtakes easier ingame?
I just ask as overtakes seemed really easy in the last race, nobody seemed to get stuck behind anyone.
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#7 Elküldve: 2016. szeptember 20. 08:52:45
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Quote ( Olivier Recouvreur @ September 20th 2016,08:44:32 ) Quote ( Roy Rentes @ September 20th 2016,08:42:02 )
So you can just cry !!! :)
Thanks?
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#8 Elküldve: 2016. szeptember 20. 08:53:04
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You can't really compete against softer tyres guys in Q, cause softer tyres are faster in one lap. :D
You will be down on the grid, but you have less pitstops in race. You just have to decide and calculate what is best tactic in Q vs race for you and your driver.
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Quote ( Roy Rentes @ September 20th 2016,08:51:43 ) Aye. In this game, is there any kind of guidleline as to how important grid position is? Can it happen that you get stuck behind someone for many laps, as in real life? Ora are overtakes easier ingame?
I'd say taht it varies between groups/levels
In the "lower" groups (like rookie/amateur) overtaking a bit easier, as the drivers aren't quite as good. They make mistakes which allow overtaking and are not as good in defensive driving.
Where as in the higher groups drivers are better defenders, so it's more difficult
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#10 Elküldve: 2016. szeptember 20. 08:55:30 (módosítva: 2016. szeptember 20. 08:56:40 Virgis Lyss által)
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Quote ( Roy Rentes @ September 20th 2016,08:51:43 ) is there any kind of guidleline as to how important grid position is?
Rookies - absolutely unimportant.
Ama - plays a little role.
Pro - important.
Master - very important.
Elite - Master Plus.
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#11 Elküldve: 2016. szeptember 20. 08:55:59
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Quote ( Tomas Kuusela @ September 20th 2016,08:53:04 ) You just have to decide and calculate what is best tactic in Q vs race for you and your driver.
So, say my driver has a low level of Aggressiveness, could i take that as a sign not to have him in softs, and therefore not have him in overtaking situations too often?
How should i read the driver profile to judge tire strategy?
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#12 Elküldve: 2016. szeptember 20. 08:57:24 (módosítva: 2016. szeptember 20. 08:58:13 Roy Rentes által)
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Quote ( Virgis Lyss @ September 20th 2016,08:55:30 ) Quote ( Roy Rentes @ September 20th 2016,08:51:43 )
is there any kind of guidleline as to how important grid position is?
Rookies - absolutely unimportant.
Ama - plays a little role.
Pro - important.
Master - very important.
Elite - master plus
Cool info, thanks
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#13 Elküldve: 2016. szeptember 20. 08:58:30
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In some cases performance difference between two compounds is quite minimal so you get overall big advantage for choosing harder tires which last longer, and in other cases difference between compounds is bigger so it's better to use softer compounds even though they don't last so long.
Try to do two practice laps with same setup but different compounds, look at the differences between net-times, collect the data you got, do the same for next race, and you'll start to learn some interesting stuff.
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#14 Elküldve: 2016. szeptember 20. 09:00:37
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Quote ( Helga Heinävesi @ September 20th 2016,08:58:30 )
Try to do two practice laps with same setup but different compounds, look at the differences between net-times, collect the data you got, do the same for next race, and you'll start to learn some interesting stuff.
I did that.
Softs were only marginally faster than the hards for my driver.
Should be much better off on the hards come racetime.
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#15 Elküldve: 2016. szeptember 20. 09:01:36
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#16 Elküldve: 2016. szeptember 20. 09:03:42 (módosítva: 2016. szeptember 20. 09:06:32 Roy Rentes által)
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Quote ( Kenneth Williams @ September 20th 2016,09:01:36 ) Roy, I would also try this.
/gb/forum/ViewTopic.asp?TopicId=20521#scroll
Will do!
Can i just add that its so weird for new topics to be started so infrequently, but when you do the replies flood in like crazy. It's brilliant, but odd.
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#17 Elküldve: 2016. szeptember 20. 09:05:50
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Quote ( Roy Rentes @ September 20th 2016,09:00:37 ) I did that.
Softs were only marginally faster than the hards for my driver.
Should be much better off on the hards come racetime.
Bare in mind this applies for this track, in these conditions. :)
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#18 Elküldve: 2016. szeptember 20. 10:39:17 (módosítva: 2016. szeptember 20. 10:39:59 Mark Wright által)
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Quote ( Roy Rentes @ September 20th 2016,09:00:37 ) I did that.
Good - keep doing that and it won't take long to get an idea of the difference in times and also distance tyres can go. Each varies by track obviously but one can have quite a large difference given the conditions at the track for that race ;)
In Rookie and Ama grid position isn't as important and some managers will be fast in qualifying but not necessarily so fast in the race.
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#19 Elküldve: 2016. szeptember 20. 11:39:06
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Quote ( Virgis Lyss @ September 20th 2016,08:55:30 ) ...Rookies - absolutely unimportant. ...
In general true, but...:
In the last season I have been heavily slowed down behind two strong blockers in my Rookie group. I needed to alter my qual./race strategy to avoid being stuck in the most races of the season.
So it depends on who are the opponents.
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#20 Elküldve: 2016. szeptember 20. 12:58:57
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Quote ( Rastislav Padysak @ September 20th 2016,11:39:06 ) Quote ( Virgis Lyss @ September 20th 2016,08:55:30 ) ...Rookies - absolutely unimportant. ...
In general true, but...:
In the last season I have been heavily slowed down behind two strong blockers in my Rookie group. I needed to alter my qual./race strategy to avoid being stuck in the most races of the season.
So it depends on who are the opponents.
Remember last race (Singapore) overtaking were hard, and today's track overtaking is easy.
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#21 Elküldve: 2016. szeptember 20. 13:10:18
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About the tyres. In lower groups (rookie f.e.) people tend to run different strategies because a lot of them don't really know what the best strategy is. However, in the higher tiers (elite, master. Even pro perhaps) most people are a lot more experienced and tend to drive mostly the same tactic, just different ct's so it won't make much difference.
Being in a team is a huge advantage since a lot of them have good tools to determine what the best setup and strategy is.
And remember, when you're on the hard compound and you manage to don't let the gap increase to much, it is possible that you block the cars on the softer tyres and let them lose the advantage of going on a softer compound (not saying you should always run harder coumpounds).
If you're not having tools yet and don't know what strategy will save you the most time. Look at the tyre comp. difference in practice. Every track has another difference in speed so you can use that to determine what coumpound may be the best choice in race.
I hope I'm not too confusing and I wish you the best in your future GPRO career.
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