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#31 Elküldve: 2022. május 18. 06:04:23
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Quote ( Eduardo Sanchez Carenzo @ May 18th 2022,05:22:59 ) Don't know if it is possible but I reckon there are "Ken"s everywhere.
Wait....Wah.....You saying there may be more than one Ken?? Are you out of your mind, I am the ONLY Ken I know so there can't be more.
Anyone heard the latest weather report?
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#32 Elküldve: 2022. május 18. 08:33:47
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Quote ( Eduardo Sanchez Carenzo @ May 18th 2022,05:22:59 ) 3) Don't know if it is possible, but someone that simply threatened GPRO with a sue do to his "Right" of not using his full name online, and GPRO allowed it to avoid it. Don't know if it is possible but I reckon there are "Ken"s everywhere.
Seems unlikely, probably they've just allowed him to use his "adult entertainment" stage name.
But if he did that and I was Vlad, yeah, I'd code in a random every race for Storm.
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#33 Elküldve: 2022. május 20. 18:49:42
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Quote ( Ricardo Antunes @ May 17th 2022,23:00:58 )
NO. Stop.
No
Jens, no
Stop. Jens. No. Stop.
[...]
Ric is impostor. All vote Ric! :P
Quote ( David Andrewartha @ May 18th 2022,05:36:51 )
My feeling on that subject is if you don't like the rules go somewhere else, nobody's forcing you to stay, and why do you need to hide behind a fake name anyway? Do you really think you're so important that people actually care that you're playing an online motor racing game? Really? Is it that embarrassing or damaging to your reputation?
Some countries, e.g. Germany, have a right to anonymous use of the internet. Iirc, it's derived from the rights to privacy and freedom of expression. While it's unclear how far it extends and what exactly is covered, there are court decisions that require Facebook to accept pseudonymous accounts.
Yes, most people aren't harmed by the real-name policy of GPRO, but the law also has to consider edge cases - for example celebrities or people targeted by online-stalkers need to be protected, too. And the law doesn't just apply to GPRO, but also needs to cover sites where you might infer things that are potentially damaging your reputation, such as political views, sexual orientation, etc.
Recent real example: some fuckwit thought it would be a good idea to require porn sites to have mandatory, verified real-name accounts. Got shot down quickly (afaik), but it was seriously considered.
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#34 Elküldve: 2022. május 20. 23:28:42 (módosítva: 2022. május 20. 23:29:36 Daryl Gee által)
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Quote ( Jens Jäschke @ May 20th 2022,18:49:42 ) Yes, most people aren't harmed by the real-name policy of GPRO, but the law also has to consider edge cases - for example celebrities or people targeted by online-stalkers need to be protected, too. And the law doesn't just apply to GPRO, but also needs to cover sites where you might infer things that are potentially damaging your reputation, such as political views, sexual orientation, etc.
Recent real example: some fuckwit thought it would be a good idea to require porn sites to have mandatory, verified real-name accounts. Got shot down quickly (afaik), but it was seriously considered.
I think the point of this policy in GPRO is not to out as all as nerds, but to keep the understanding that you're playing, and talking, with real people. Which many of us are.
We don't care that Justin Bieber is playing this game as "Jonathan Beagles" and it's not a real name, it's a realistic name so it's ok.
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#35 Elküldve: 2022. május 23. 02:44:14
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Totally get what you're saying Jens but...
Quote ( Daryl Gee @ May 20th 2022,23:28:42 ) for example celebrities
I can't see this as a problem, just hide your email address. And what about people using a celebrity's name as their fake profile?
Quote ( Jens Jäschke @ May 20th 2022,18:49:42 ) people targeted by online-stalkers need to be protected
This I agree with, though again, you don't need to make your email, location, personal details public.
Quote ( Daryl Gee @ May 20th 2022,23:28:42 ) but also needs to cover sites where you might infer things that are potentially damaging your reputation, such as political views, sexual orientation, etc.
Recent real example: some fuckwit thought it would be a good idea to require porn sites to have mandatory, verified real-name accounts. Got shot down quickly (afaik), but it was seriously considered.
And yes, it's difficult to make exceptions for "safe" sites though it would be difficult to infer any leanings of any sort (other than a liking for motorsport) from playing GPRO unless you're going to run your mouth in the forums and shoot yourself in the foot, so it's sort of self policing.
I really do see your point but I don't think this site is a danger to anyone's reputation unless they say something publicly that they should've maybe kept to themselves?
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#36 Elküldve: 2022. május 23. 17:53:11
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Quote ( Daryl Gee @ May 20th 2022,23:28:42 ) it's a realistic name so it's ok.
Completely agree with you there. Enforcing a realistic name (and encouraging a real name) should be legally fine. Still might not be worth fighting the lawsuit over, depending on which jurisdiction it would be filed in.
Quote ( David Andrewartha @ May 23rd 2022,02:44:14 ) I can't see this as a problem, just hide your email address
Quote ( David Andrewartha @ May 23rd 2022,02:44:14 ) though again, you don't need to make your email, location, personal details public.
Name alone might be enough for the harassment to start. Using a pseudonym fixes this, which is why I agree with Daryl, that only enforcing realistic names (instead of real names) would be a good solution.
Quote ( David Andrewartha @ May 23rd 2022,02:44:14 )
I really do see your point but I don't think this site is a danger to anyone's reputation
I don't think this site is a danger to anyone's reputation, either, but the law is the law. If we start to make exceptions, that's a slippery slope, since
Quote ( David Andrewartha @ May 23rd 2022,02:44:14 ) unless you're going to run your mouth in the forums and shoot yourself in the foot
pretty much applies to all websites where you can voice your opinions, effectively preventing you from voicing your opinion if it would get you prosecuted.
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#37 Elküldve: 2022. május 24. 01:20:18
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Quote ( Jens Jäschke @ May 23rd 2022,17:53:11 ) if it would get you prosecuted.
If it's going to get you prosecuted I would suggest it's probably an opinion you shouldn't voice here or anywhere else.
Quote ( David Andrewartha @ May 23rd 2022,02:44:14 ) And what about people using a celebrity's name as their fake profile?
And your thoughts on this?
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#38 Elküldve: 2022. május 24. 12:44:03
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Quote ( David Andrewartha @ May 24th 2022,01:20:18 )
If it's going to get you prosecuted I would suggest it's probably an opinion you shouldn't voice here or anywhere else.
You mean like "I'm gay and that's fine" (death penalty in Iran and several other countries), "Russia shouldn't attack Ukraine" (prosecuted in Russia), "I support the Kurds' independence" (very likely to get you into jail in Turkey) or "This is how abortions are done" (forbidden in Germany if you're a medical doctor performing abortions)?
Not all countries are democracies, not all countries have freedom of speech protections, and even those that do, there's no guarantee that it's going to be there tomorrow, or in a year, or in five years. Meanwhile, the Internet doesn't forget.
Quote ( David Andrewartha @ May 24th 2022,01:20:18 ) Quote ( David Andrewartha @ May 23rd 2022,02:44:14 )
And what about people using a celebrity's name as their fake profile?
And your thoughts on this?
Why do you even need my thoughts on this? It should be clear by now that I'm not arguing for complete anarchy for user names. I just pointed out that a hard requirement for real names is both, legally and ethically problematic.
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#39 Elküldve: 2022. május 24. 14:09:14
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Quote ( Jens Jäschke @ May 24th 2022,12:44:03 ) Quote ( David Andrewartha @ May 24th 2022,01:20:18 )
If it's going to get you prosecuted I would suggest it's probably an opinion you shouldn't voice here or anywhere else.
You mean like "I'm gay and that's fine" (death penalty in Iran and several other countries), "Russia shouldn't attack Ukraine" (prosecuted in Russia), "I support the Kurds' independence" (very likely to get you into jail in Turkey) or "This is how abortions are done" (forbidden in Germany if you're a medical doctor performing abortions)?
Not all countries are democracies, not all countries have freedom of speech protections, and even those that do, there's no guarantee that it's going to be there tomorrow, or in a year, or in five years. Meanwhile, the Internet doesn't forget..
Well, you aren't a citizen of any of those countries (except the Germany part) , are you? And neither does GPRO have the HQ there, so you can't really be prosecuted.
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#40 Elküldve: 2022. május 24. 15:39:55
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Try telling that to the 'authorities' who may become aware of your on-line opinion/beliefs/preference. That may begin the process of 'persecution or prosecution' for your stated preferences,
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