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#1 Data 22 Giu 2012, 22:47:54
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Since this season started my pit times were very slow.My first pit was always about 40 seconds and my second pit about 27-40(usually about 35) My second pit and third and so on were always about 35 seconds.I don't think my pit times are random I think there is a problem with my pitcrew.My pitcrew training center is level 15 out of 20(max is 20 because I'm rookie).Please help and thanks.
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#2 Data 22 Giu 2012, 22:49:15
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How much Fuel each stint?
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#3 Data 22 Giu 2012, 22:49:40 (Ultima modifica 22 Giu 2012, 22:50:16 da Tom Stamper)
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A pitcrew training centre is useless if you don't train your pitcrew... Do some pitcrew training and gradually the times will decrease.
(Sorry if there's any FOBY in there, I woulda thought it'd just be logical)
(Edited for a typo)
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#4 Data 22 Giu 2012, 22:50:53
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training your staff will help but they are generally random in rookie
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#5 Data 22 Giu 2012, 22:50:56
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Fuel in first pit I get in the 170s,second pit around 170 or a bit lower.Gets lower each time.
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#6 Data 22 Giu 2012, 22:51:33
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Peter up until Pro pit times are pretty random. I have a highly trained Staff and still my pit times suck!
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#7 Data 22 Giu 2012, 22:53:32
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Quote ( Peter Warchol @ June 22nd 2012,22:50:56 ) Fuel in first pit I get in the 170s,second pit around 170 or a bit lower.Gets lower each time. Please tell me that's not litres !
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#8 Data 22 Giu 2012, 22:53:50
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They are very random Peter as i get sometimes 21s and at same race like 30s+. It can ruin the strategy if race is tight but...
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Quote ( Tom Stamper @ June 22nd 2012,22:49:40 ) A pitcrew training centre is useless if you don't train your pitcrew
Oh I think thats usefull, I have better times only with an higher level, non training.
edit: 170 litres are to much. I think that's the point.
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Quote ( Kevin Parkinson @ June 22nd 2012,22:55:01 ) /gb/forum/ViewTopic.asp?TopicId=20356#scroll
Really what was the point of linking that thread Kevin?
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Quote ( Peter Warchol @ June 22nd 2012,22:50:56 ) Fuel in first pit I get in the 170s,second pit around 170 or a bit lower.Gets lower each time. I think your answer is here.
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Quote ( Peter Warchol @ June 22nd 2012,22:50:56 ) Fuel in first pit I get in the 170s,second pit around 170 or a bit lower.Gets lower each time.
the issue is here.
Basically, on no track you need this much fuel to fill in =)
See your Race Analysis, you will notice your Tyres ran out before your Fuel did. That's not optimal, try to set Fuel so much that it runs out before Tyres do (preferably there should be ~20% of tyres left at this point) so you don't have to wobble with Tyres, and also your pitstop times 'magically' get 8-10 secs shorter as time pitcrew spends putting fuel in becomes shorter =))
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Ok thanks for your answers!
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I think I made a smart strategy that was mess by a bug.
With the risk of raining after 30 minutes I decided to make a stop after 17 lap and put enough fuel for the rest of the race.
Pit Pitstop reason Tyres condition Fuel left Refilled to Pit time Stop 1 (Lap 18) No more fuel was left 40% 0% 168 liters 40.726s Stop 2 (Lap 30) Tyres change due to the weather change 62% 66% No refill 40.101s
Since I do not need fuel at my second stop why it takes as much time as my first stop? I lost the race by 14 secondes. A stop to change tired should not take more then 22 secondes.
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Quote ( Jean Chapados @ August 11th 2015,23:04:34 ) Since I do not need fuel at my second stop why it takes as much time as my first stop? I lost the race by 14 secondes. A stop to change tired should not take more then 22 secondes.
Pit times in rookie are quite random, to simulate the crews being fairly inexperienced.
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Your pit crew was completely stressed out by the weather change and weren't ready for you when you arrived.
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Quote ( Jean Chapados @ August 11th 2015,23:04:34 ) Since I do not need fuel at my second stop why it takes as much time as my first stop? I lost the race by 14 secondes. A stop to change tired should not take more then 22 secondes.
there may be aspects of your strategy that your mechanics were not ready for.
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Quote ( Jim Sikma @ August 11th 2015,23:06:54 ) Your pit crew was completely stressed out by the weather change and weren't ready for you when you arrived.
totally agree with that, have checked that many times, even in this race, in my team, pit times were 10-15sec slower..
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Quote ( Jean Chapados @ August 11th 2015,23:04:34 ) I think I made a smart strategy that was mess by a bug. it's no bug
Quote ( Jean Chapados @ August 11th 2015,23:04:34 ) (Lap 30) Tyres change due to the weather change 62% 66% No refill 40.101s
Since I do not need fuel at my second stop why it takes as much time as my first stop? I lost the race by 14 secondes. A stop to change tired should not take more then 22 secondes.
Consider it as: In rookie it's pretty much the drivers dad and maybe other pitcrew trainees changing the tyres
In the chaos of rain and other cars coming in the pits too, they might even lose the grip to tyres and have to run after them...
it doesn't really matter much if you refuel or not, the time in pit is going to take time.
It's just at Pro/Master/Elite when pit times start coming together, in rookie/amateur they are... slow
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Quote ( Jean Chapados @ August 11th 2015,23:04:34 ) A stop to change tired should not take more then 22 secondes. What comparison base are you taking to conclude that? :)
For reference, pit times at Rookie are a little.... messy, just to put it in a way. Pit times in higher divisions tend to be much more consistent. Pay a look to different groups and try to analyse what factors might be influencing pitstops times.
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Quote ( Jean Chapados @ August 11th 2015,23:04:34 ) Since I do not need fuel at my second stop why it takes as much time as my first stop? I lost the race by 14 secondes. A stop to change tired should not take more then 22 secondes.
Maybe it wasn't your pit crew, maybe it was your driver was at fault, we all know how hard it is to drive in the wet with dry tyres, maybe he over cooked it and went well beyond his pit markers, so the crew had to readjust to be able to make the swap
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Let's keep bug forum as factual as possible please :)
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Quote ( Jean Chapados @ August 11th 2015,23:04:34 ) Pit Pitstop reason Tyres condition Fuel left Refilled to Pit time Stop 1 (Lap 18) No more fuel was left 40% 0% 168 liters 40.726s Stop 2 (Lap 30) Tyres change due to the weather change 62% 66% No refill 40.101s
No one said anything about posting exact data....
It's not allowed Jean...not my place to tell you as I'm not a mod but you should know
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Quote ( Shane Ferguson @ August 11th 2015,23:55:20 ) No one said anything about posting exact data....
Yeah, what's up with that Flo :P
Quote ( Shane Ferguson @ August 11th 2015,23:55:20 ) not my place to tell you as I'm not a mod but you should know
Actually these days the rules mention about that (9.1), which actually makes the "power of observation" of the mods more important
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I do not agree with people that said this is not a bug. I compared with others racer in the same race and their pit stop were not messy as mine. It is the second time with the same situation where my second stop took as much as my first without any refuling. it is clear for me that the logic behind is wrong and this is as nothing to do with rookie or any level. In my others race my pit stop are usualy between 21 and 30 secondes based on the amont of fuel.
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Quote ( Jean Chapados @ August 12th 2015,14:37:41 ) I do not agree with people that said this is not a bug. I compared with others racer in the same race and their pit stop were not messy as mine. It is the second time with the same situation where my second stop took as much as my first without any refuling. it is clear for me that the logic behind is wrong and this is as nothing to do with rookie or any level. In my others race my pit stop are usualy between 21 and 30 secondes based on the amont of fuel.
You answer was there -
Quote ( Jim Sikma @ August 11th 2015,23:06:54 ) Your pit crew was completely stressed out by the weather change and weren't ready for you when you arrived.
They just were not ready. It's the case when you pit the exact lap when the rain starts/stops, you just get a slower pit time, because basically, when you enter the pit, your crew is still in their seats and then when seeing you, they understand it's time to move their arse.
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Quote ( Jean Chapados @ August 12th 2015,14:37:41 ) I do not agree with people that said this is not a bug. I compared with others racer in the same race and their pit stop were not messy as mine. It is the second time with the same situation where my second stop took as much as my first without any refuling. it is clear for me that the logic behind is wrong and this is as nothing to do with rookie or any level. In my others race my pit stop are usualy between 21 and 30 secondes based on the amont of fuel.
Next time you're in a similar situation, assign a value of '1' to 'Wait to pit if it starts raining' in your race setup page, and see what happens.
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See another exemple of the same bug her. I won't say which race it was but we can clearly see the same patern where the stop with no refill took as much as previous stop and the last one with 60 liters took less time.
Stop 2 (Lap 21) No more fuel was left 16% 2% 85 liters 37.677s Stop 3 (Lap 22) Tyres change due to the weather change 98% 45% No refill 37.283s Stop 4 (Lap 47) No more fuel was left 20% 0% 60 liters 26.264s
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Quote ( Jean Chapados @ August 12th 2015,14:42:58 ) See another exemple of the same bug her. I won't say which race it was but we can clearly see the same patern where the stop with no refill took as much as previous stop and the last one with 60 liters took less time.
Quote ( Mairo Toom @ August 12th 2015,14:41:31 ) You answer was there -
Quote ( Jim Sikma @ August 11th 2015,23:06:54 ) Your pit crew was completely stressed out by the weather change and weren't ready for you when you arrived.
They just were not ready. It's the case when you pit the exact lap when the rain starts/stops, you just get a slower pit time, because basically, when you enter the pit, your crew is still in their seats and then when seeing you, they understand it's time to move their arse.
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