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just have a crazy idea and would like to share with u;
a manager who have 5 consecutive seasons with same tyre, will get a discount as from the 6th season or something.
comments, please.
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#2 dikirim Jun 23 2012, 03:07:45
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That would mean that Jed Lilly would only be paying £1.27 a race for his tyres :-p
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#3 dikirim Jun 23 2012, 03:09:40
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Quote ( Fabricio Ramos @ June 23rd 2012,03:05:23 ) just have a crazy idea
yep.... it's crazy alright.
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#4 dikirim Jun 23 2012, 03:13:27
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Quote ( Keri Lovell @ June 23rd 2012,03:07:45 ) That would mean that Jed Lilly would only be paying £1.27 a race for his tyres :-p
lol
about the suggestion, it seems valid to me...it would add slightly more strategy to the tyre selection
can't think of a downside other than the "it's unfair for the new promoter" argument, which is valid as well
it it's to be implemented imo it would have to be done in a different way than how it's specifically suggested
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#5 dikirim Jun 23 2012, 03:15:56
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-There would be uproar if any tyre stats changed in any off season
-it would be an advantage to anyone who had been up in pro or above for a long time - disadvantaging newly promoted amateurs.
It's a no from me then, sorry :)
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#6 dikirim Jun 23 2012, 03:18:34
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Yeah no from me Fabricio. I don't think I need to elaborate on it. Sion covers it fine.
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#7 dikirim Jun 23 2012, 03:20:27
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Quote ( Sion Francis @ June 23rd 2012,03:15:56 ) disadvantaging newly promoted amateurs.
if accepted, then it wouldn't be retroative, meaning it's valid as from season X
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#8 dikirim Jun 23 2012, 03:21:40
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Quote ( Fabricio Ramos @ June 23rd 2012,03:20:27 ) if accepted, then it wouldn't be retroative, meaning it's valid as from season X
That would still disadvantage new players that start 5 seasons after that :-)
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#9 dikirim Jun 23 2012, 03:22:50
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What about the forever-Pipirelli managers, they would get to pay crumbs for their tyres, like Keri said above? Any manager relegated from Pro would suffer because of this.
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#10 dikirim Jun 23 2012, 03:23:03 (terakhir disunting Jun 23 2012, 03:24:22 oleh Sion Francis)
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Quote ( Fabricio Ramos @ June 23rd 2012,03:20:27 )
if accepted, then it wouldn't be retroative, meaning it's valid as from season X
even so, as an amateur you're forced to use pippis. When you hit pro, you cannot realistically pick pippis. As such as soon as you hit pro, you'd have to wait 6 seasons before you could take advantage of this...not to mention anyone hitting elite who may want to use an expensive tyre for 1 season only.
Promoting managers generally need certain advantages over the field in order to be competitive since they generally cannot promote with similar levels car/driver etc. This would give an advantage to established managers over promoting managers, as such I am forced to be against it.
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Quote ( Sion Francis @ June 23rd 2012,03:23:03 ) This would give an advantage to established managers over promoting managers, as such I am forced to be against it.
Have to agree with this.
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Quote ( Andrei Ciuchi @ June 23rd 2012,03:22:50 ) What about the forever-Pipirelli managers, they would get to pay crumbs for their tyres, like Keri said above? Any manager relegated from Pro would suffer because of this.
I would imagine it being implemented for pro, master & elite managers rather than rookie and amateur. He who chooses to represent one tyre manufacturer gets a discount after each two seasons of use. Something like that.
I like the suggestion.
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Quote ( Luke Frost @ June 23rd 2012,03:37:55 ) I like the suggestion.
And you deal with what Sion said how?
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Quote ( Sion Francis @ June 23rd 2012,03:15:56 ) it would be an advantage to anyone who had been up in pro or above for a long time - disadvantaging newly promoted amateurs.
How about implementing it for just Master and Elite? Also, have the discount apply on your second season rather than your fifth to have it be effective to more expensive tyres as well. And then we could even have a reset, so once your "2-season contract" is finished you would have to start over again to mix it up a little. :)
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Quote ( Andi Mankolli @ June 23rd 2012,04:16:25 ) "2-season contract" is finished you would have to start over again to mix it up a little. :)
this bit sounds interesting and to build up on it ...
managers can commit to a certain tire brand for between 2-3seasons with a discount for example 5% and 7.5% off for 2 and 3yrs respectfully
and the manager has option to cancel contract early if they want at lets say 2-3 times the amount they would have saved through the discount so if they would of saved $3mil over the course of the contract it would cost between $6-9 mil to cancel
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Quote ( Igor Lazarchuk @ June 23rd 2012,04:31:28 )
managers can commit to a certain tire brand for between 2-3seasons with a discount for example 5% and 7.5% off for 2 and 3yrs respectfully
and the manager has option to cancel contract early if they want at lets say 2-3 times the amount they would have saved through the discount so if they would of saved $3mil over the course of the contract it would cost between $6-9 mil to cancel
There might be more traction in that one...
How would you deal with tyre price fluctuations from season to season?
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Quote ( Sion Francis @ June 23rd 2012,04:36:44 ) How would you deal with tyre price fluctuations from season to season?
thats the risk :)
the contract would be based the price at signing
edit
and maybe the penalty could be based on what would of been the remaining savings multiplied by 3 or so and it would be up to the manager on whether its worth it or not to cancel the congract
also perhaps the rates could also change from season to season
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Quote ( Igor Lazarchuk @ June 23rd 2012,04:39:54 ) thats the risk :)
only a risk if the prices go down.
if it goes up, then u saved $$$
and it would give an advantage for those who prefer long term planning.
there would be options for 2 and 3 seasons contracts???
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Quote ( Fabricio Ramos @ June 23rd 2012,04:45:23 )
only a risk if the prices go down.
if it goes up, then u saved $$$
there could also be the changes in the discounts
Quote ( Fabricio Ramos @ June 23rd 2012,04:45:23 ) there would be options for 2 and 3 seasons contracts???
u mean options in what i outlined?
Quote ( Igor Lazarchuk @ June 23rd 2012,04:31:28 ) example 5% and 7.5% off for 2 and 3yrs respectfully
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so should i pitch this idea?
edit. (well i guess its already in the suggestion section so its already pitched, now its in a wait and see and will be buried, never to be seen again stage )
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Lads honestly go to sleep and wake up. Have a coffee then re-read all the shite thats been entered in here. This has to be one of the worst ideas I have ever come across. If I have to explain myself then im into a losing battle.
Open your eyes?
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Quote ( Fabricio Ramos @ June 23rd 2012,03:05:23 ) a manager who have 5 consecutive seasons with same tyre, will get a discount as from the 6th season or something.
I like the thought of getting a discount but
Quote ( Sion Francis @ June 23rd 2012,03:15:56 ) -There would be uproar if any tyre stats changed in any off season
-it would be an advantage to anyone who had been up in pro or above for a long time - disadvantaging newly promoted amateurs.
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Quote ( Michael Keeney @ June 23rd 2012,05:38:08 ) If I have to explain myself then im into a losing battle.
You go ahead and have a shot at it. When I wake up tomorrow I'll see what you had to say more than Sion. ;)
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Quote ( Matt Murray @ June 23rd 2012,05:38:49 ) -it would be an advantage to anyone who had been up in pro or above for a long time - disadvantaging newly promoted amateurs.
not necessarily, it could be the other way around(my idea was different)
this is the idea in a nutshell i dont have much time to go over it and make it all nice and clean but il do it later
managers can commit to a certain tire brand for between 2-3seasons with a discount for example 5% and 7.5% off for 2 and 3yrs respectfully
and the manager has option to cancel contract early if they want at lets say 2-3 times the amount they would have saved through the discount so if they would of saved $3mil over the course of the contract it would cost between $6-9 mil to cancel
the contract would be based the price at signing
there could also be the changes in the discounts
and maybe the penalty could be based on what would of been the remaining savings multiplied by 3 or so and it would be up to the manager on whether its worth it or not to cancel the congract
also perhaps the rates could also change from season to season
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#27 dikirim Jun 23 2012, 05:46:28 (terakhir disunting Jun 23 2012, 05:46:50 oleh Matt Murray)
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Quote ( Igor Lazarchuk @ June 23rd 2012,05:41:58 ) not necessarily could be the other way around(my idea was different)
With your idea what happens if you get demoted?
Quote ( Michael Keeney @ June 23rd 2012,05:38:08 ) Lads honestly go to sleep and wake up. Have a coffee then re-read all the shite thats been entered in here. This has to be one of the worst ideas I have ever come across. If I have to explain myself then im into a losing battle.
Open your eyes?
If your just going to put negative comments on here with no substance you may as well not post because no one appreciates it :D
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Finance, Planning, Changing tyre characteristics, breaking top 10 etc
I mean come on its hard enough as it is to break Elite, This would just make it tougher to get to the top. The recent driver change was to allow more to get to the top. As Sion says there would be uproar if any tyre characteristics were changed during any off season as someone who had signed up to yokos @ 1.5m for the next 3 seasons then bang a new tyre gets introduced at 1.2m or duns get reduced etc.
You get the picture. This season in pro tyre selection has been pretty decent in my eyes. Duns have been the superior tyre thus far and im sure alot more without any changes will change back to this tyre being the daddy in pro again.
I believe every level should give managers a better headache with tyres. More selections, more often than not each lvl has a superior tyre from the outset.
So not that VIP membership should allow us a financial benefit but rather
Tyre selections are not known to your fellow competitors until qualifying is closed 90 mins before race 1 and more tyre choice at each lvl. Maybe even Amateur lvl to stop ppl making so much money.
I think it may of been Sion that mentioned about 2 diff tyre selections for each lvl. With very varied stats. That would make it much more appetizing.
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Quote ( Matt Murray @ June 23rd 2012,05:46:28 ) If your just going to put negative comments on here with no substance you may as well not post because no one appreciates it :D
Is that better?
Edit: 2nd double post of the night. Im blaming you Matt. Im going to bed before I make it a hattrick
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#30 dikirim Jun 23 2012, 05:53:11 (terakhir disunting Jun 23 2012, 05:53:58 oleh Matt Murray)
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Quote ( Michael Keeney @ June 23rd 2012,05:46:59 ) This would just make it tougher to get to the top.
Not necessarily, if your getting a discount on a tyre that means more money to pre-pare for the top
Quote ( Michael Keeney @ June 23rd 2012,05:46:59 ) The recent driver change was to allow more to get to the top
No, it was to allow promoting masters to survive in Elite and make it more competitive not allowing more people to make Eilite. The same amount of people have been promoted to Eilite for 31 seasons with slight variations.
Quote ( Michael Keeney @ June 23rd 2012,05:46:59 ) As Sion says there would be uproar if any tyre characteristics were changed during any off season as someone who had signed up to yokos @ 1.5m for the next 3 seasons then bang a new tyre gets introduced at 1.2m or duns get reduced etc.
Yes, this is true. Admins wouldn't be able to change tyre characteristics or cost. If they did there would be outrage.
Quote ( Michael Keeney @ June 23rd 2012,05:51:30 ) Is that better?
Yes, much better thanks :D nice contribution :)
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