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Topik: Valencia Overtaking: Hard ... maybe overestimated? |
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Watching the race ... I would say so!
I mean .. I saw 3 o 4 spot in the track where to attack, and I don't think 3 o 4 options would justify the value "hard".
I agree when you say that tyres in continuos overtaking, or defending as Hamilton error shows, loose efficiency very quickly, but there were many options to drivers to overtake, even not taking that risk.
If you don't agree, you can close the topic.
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This could easily have been said elsewhere.
Now, if you were to change your opening post to suggest that our tyres should start wobbling earlier to reflect real life, then maybe this thread could remain open...
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#3 dikirim Jun 24 2012, 16:02:10
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We need cars retiring mid-race in crashes, maybe based on your and others around your drivers aggressions.
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#4 dikirim Jun 24 2012, 16:15:38
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It's hard to argue what's an "Easy" or "Hard" track to overtake on based on 2012 races, since they've been a lot different to previous races. Go back 4 years, with different tyres, refuelling, and no KERS or DRS, and it was a very different story.
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#5 dikirim Jun 24 2012, 16:22:02
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should this be in F1 forum?
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Nope...he's suggesting that GPRO overtaking characteristic is not accurate...based on the REAL LIFE race he just watched.
He has been given the opportunity to turn this into a Tyre Degradation on GPRO suggestion, or the thread will get closed.
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#7 dikirim Jun 24 2012, 16:26:14
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Quote ( Jed Lilly @ June 24th 2012,16:02:10 ) maybe based on your and others around your drivers aggressions.
A fan of carnage, are you?
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#8 dikirim Jun 25 2012, 16:49:39
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maybe tyres start wearing at 40% instead of 18 and by the time they are 2% you are losing 4/5 seconds.
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#9 dikirim Jun 25 2012, 23:16:26
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Actually, as said, GPRO isn't F1.
In my eyes Valencia is hard track to overtake.
But every race is different and it just happened to be now that there was quite lots of overtakes.
There are many reason why it happened. Can you find them?
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Quote ( Dario De Palma @ June 25th 2012,23:16:26 ) GPRO is NOT F1
I'm starting to think fondly of those people shouting FOBY. You make them look good.
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Where are the lot of overtakes? 90% of them ended in a crash, because overtaking is actually HARD! :)
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The track is hard to overtake as Wopke states above, what is it that you are trying to say?
Give the original poster chance to explain himslef before locking the post please.
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Give yourself a chance to read opening post it's quite clear what he is saying :|
Suggestions like that should be welcomed I think, but this tiem I don't see Valencia being a medium or easier overtaking track. Hard is quite spot on.
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Quote ( Lukas Jonaitis @ June 26th 2012,00:00:23 ) Give yourself a chance to read opening post it's quite clear what he is saying :|
There was a question asked about whether he meant the actual race or the game, i asked him to explain so please read the whole thread not just the opening post.
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Quote ( Michael Winkley @ June 24th 2012,16:24:38 ) He has been given the opportunity to turn this into a Tyre Degradation on GPRO suggestion, or the thread will get closed.
That defeats the purpose of democracy .... i assume that to argue one argument versus another and then be told you can't approach an arguement from that perspective means democracy doesn't exist here.....
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Well, if you look at it from the perspective that saw the initial post as it was, pre-edit, you might have even just said thread closed as it wasn't even a suggestion, rather a comment about Sunday's F1 race. Of course, giving him the option to edit it in some way is more free than just closing the thread...
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Quote ( Cale Murray @ June 25th 2012,16:49:39 ) maybe tyres start wearing at 40% instead of 18 and by the time they are 2% you are losing 4/5 seconds.
no one commented :(
Quote ( Dario De Palma @ June 25th 2012,23:16:26 ) GPRO is NOT F1 ;)
not really a comment ?
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Mate, in the past 2 races, pre 2012, we had about 5 overtakes across the whole field... Alonso on Webber 2011 for P2 was more or less the only crucial one.
If anything, I would put this track to be Overtake: Very hard.
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Quote ( Georg Petrov @ June 26th 2012,10:40:01 ) I would put this track to be Overtake: Very hard.
tbh in gpro even easy tracks are hard to overtake LOL
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GPRO has no KERS or DRS. It is hard to overtake in Valencia.
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Ppl might feel that some circuits have better overtaking opportunities now that KERS and DRS has been implemented.
I think all circuits benefit from it and that the relative overtaking opportunities between tracks will remain roughly the same.
So overtaking = hard means hard relative to other tracks. IMO that has not changed after the last race in Valencia.
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Quote ( Cale Murray @ June 26th 2012,10:34:42 )
Quote ( Dario De Palma @ June 25th 2012,23:16:26 )
GPRO is NOT F1 ;)
not really a comment ?
why not? I think also that GPRO isn't F1.
Look back to the Valencia GP of last years. 2011 was nothing, 2010 only on crash, 2009 only 2 technicals, 2008 only on crash. This year is an special one. How many overtaking saw you in this races last years?
The Pirelli have a small window for the right temperature. That's a big point for overtaking. We haven't this tyres in the game. We can't use two different tyres, only on blend is allowed. Tell me about the F1 regulary and the GPRO regulary. Than you see that GPRO isn't F1 and overtaking is different from series to series, from tyre to tyre, from car to car.
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#24 dikirim Jun 26 2012, 10:52:39 (terakhir disunting Jun 26 2012, 10:53:27 oleh Cale Murray)
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Quote ( Alexander Becker @ June 26th 2012,10:47:51 )
why not? I think also that GPRO isn't F1.
Look back to the Valencia GP of last years. 2011 was nothing, 2010 only on crash, 2009 only 2 technicals, 2008 only on crash. This year is an special one. How many overtaking saw you in this races?
The Pirelli have a small window for the right temperature. That's a big point for overtaking. We haven't this tyres in the game. We can't use two different tyres, only on blend is allowed. Tell me about the F1 regulary and the GPRO regulary. Than you see that GPRO isn't F1 and overtaking is different from series to series, from tyre to tyre, from car to car.
did you even read what i wrote it had nothing to do with overtaking being hard or easy but gpro not being f1 is not a comment it is a statement and NEWS FLASH we all know it :).
but why i think it is amusing that people are thinking overtaking hard ,easy,normal reflect real life i just want to show you this /gb/TrackDetails.asp?id=50 where are the overtaking spots LOL
and this one /gb/TrackDetails.asp?id=43 easy ? lol.
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You forgot to add that the DRS zone was MASSIVELY extended for the race on sunday. That also played a big role on overtaking. I feel they had the right mix this time. On some tracks (for example montreal the race before) DRS is a pile of horseshit, as the track is overtake-friendly anyway. (excuse the profanity, but I am more of a purist...)
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Quote ( Georg Petrov @ June 26th 2012,10:53:14 ) DRS is a pile of horseshit, as the track is overtake-friendly anyway.
i do always find this funny how some people think overtaking is too easy at over 200 km,s an hour LOL.
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Cale, if it worked 60 years long, it will work again in the 61st and 62nd year too. I didn't say overtaking is easy, I said the track is overtake friendly.
Overtaking SHOULDN'T be easy.
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Cale they are professional racing drivers at the pinacle of motor sports. So yes some tracks are easy to OT. Not for me or you but for the likes of Hamilton, Alonso etc Esp Koba ;)
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Quote ( Cale Murray @ June 26th 2012,10:52:39 ) but why i think it is amusing that people are thinking overtaking hard ,easy,normal reflect real life
thumbs up
yes sir, I am amused too. This is a game and not the real life. Let us amuse about the next comments B)
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Relative speed is all that matters when overtaking; whether it be at 200mph or 70mph, the difference in 5mph will appear the same to the drivers on the road.
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