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I have been giving this whole event a lot of thought. And especially the idea that to say "I am Charlie" is the same as agreeing, advocating or defending the works of Charlie Hebdo.
Throughout this thread, many French mangers have defended CH's work for what I can only sum up as being an equal opportunist satirist and I will believe that, more than an article which would have cherry-picked the cartoons to prove their blog post's point. Afterall, blogging is a business which depends on views. And as CH has proven, views which push the boundaries of public opinion tend to get a lot of viewing.
In regards to satire as a subject. Satire, Comedy, Humour, call it what you want. The majority of it tends to have a humanistic subject matter. Whether that is events based, belief based or things related to the human condition. All of these, can be, and will be offensive to some. And to others, it will be funny. I truly believe that there is not a person in the world that cannot be offended by a joke that another person would find funny.
With that being said. No attempt at satire is free from criticism or offense. People have as much a right to make a joke as they do, to voice their offense to one. And I believe that the movement behind "Je Suis Charlie" is defending that right. I don't feel the majority are defending and making sacred the works of a murdered cartoonists, but instead, the right that a person has to make such humour without their life being threatened. There is nothing on this planet that can be said, written or drawn that deserves death.
And for that reason, I can conclude; Je Suis Charlie.
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Quote ( Jonathan MacLean @ January 9th 2015,19:03:06 ) There is nothing on this planet that can be said, written or drawn that deserves death. This.
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Quote ( Krasen Belev @ January 9th 2015,01:27:46 ) We are talking about freedom of speech, but didn't hear a lot for Ahmed on the medias...
JE SUIS AHMED - Ahmed the cop who died defending the rights of Charlie Hebdo to ridiculate him religion.
Just wanted to remind this, not all muslims are terorists. I'm christian and i feel like right now medias are trying to struggle all others against muslims. We should remember, that we are against the terorism, not islam.
Couldn't agree more, Krasen.
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French medias talk A LOOOT about being carefull to not mix muslims and terrorists.
Ahmed and Mustapha are not considered differently than the other victims. But they mainly talk about the well know drawers (4) and writer (1).
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#305 dikirim Jan 9 2015, 19:18:33 (terakhir disunting Jan 9 2015, 19:21:10 oleh Jon Day)
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Quote ( Krasen Belev @ January 9th 2015,01:27:46 ) Just wanted to remind this, not all muslims are terorists. I'm christian and i feel like right now medias are trying to struggle all others against muslims. We should remember, that we are against the terorism, not islam. And I will remind you that the terrorists carried out their "little war" in the name of Islam. They were the ones who claimed to be Muslim.
Whilst the media may or may not be trying to turn the world against Muslims, The 3 idiots involved have done a far better job than the media ever could. No, not all muslims are terrorists, that goes without saying, but at this moment in time it is also true that the 3 terrorist were Muslim. Lets hope that the very people they subscribe to, condemn their actions as the rest of us have. It is indeed a sad day.
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This is the kind of thing "human disease" do:
Doesn't matter if Charlie Hebdo went to far in their cartoons: nobody, NOBODY deserve to be killed for saying or posting BS. I wonder that if post BS would be a reason to kill, several people in this very GPRO forum would be threatened to be killed too, don't?
Today I saw in the news that ISIS killed a gay by stoning the guy! The problem is not the Islam itself, but how this religion is being used to do horrific things! Catholic church did it in "holy inquisition". How can anyone (ANYONE) accept such thing 5 centuries later? Have we not evolved at all as "human race" in 500 years???
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So, where is the next war?
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Quote ( Vladimir Jelicic @ January 9th 2015,19:34:45 ) So, where is the next war?
I think it will happen in 15 minutes in Imola race track!
:)
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Quote ( Vladimir Jelicic @ January 9th 2015,19:34:45 ) So, where is the next war? Mars Hopefully :)
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Quote ( Jon Day @ January 9th 2015,19:56:59 ) Mars Hopefully :)
Don't bomb the chocolate. Deep fry it.
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Quote ( Vladimir Jelicic @ January 9th 2015,19:34:45 ) So, where is the next war?
Wake up. Hello. It's already started.
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No, USA didn't pick a target yet.
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Quote ( Vladimir Jelicic @ January 9th 2015,20:10:21 ) No, USA didn't pick a target yet.
But other big one did. People is dieing everyday. No?
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You don't seem to understand, completely, how world politics work nowdays, Daneks.
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Quote ( Vladimir Jelicic @ January 9th 2015,20:25:08 ) You don't seem to understand, completely, how world politics work nowdays, Daneks.
Yes, I don't understand. But you do. End of discussion.
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You won't get me out of it so easily. You didn't explain the difference between USA and "the other big".
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Quote ( Vladimir Jelicic @ January 9th 2015,20:32:10 ) You didn't explain the difference between USA and "the other big".
I can do it in private. Because by doing it here i will break the rules of this site. You too btw :)
Just say yes or no. My messages will be long and i doubt you will like them :)
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Fair enough from you. The difference in our opinions is clearly huge. I respect that and I apologize if I offended someone here. My political debate regarding this subject on this topic stops from now.
Daneks, if you feel you need to say something to me, please do, I can guarantee a 100% privacy.
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Quote ( Kevin Parkinson @ January 9th 2015,15:38:01 ) I would rather not close the thread, so I'll happily thread ban anyone that can't keep it in line with the forum guidelines by deliberately making political points when they know it isn't permitted here.
Back to the discussion...
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#110 is about the only thing worth reading in this thread.
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Who are you, Winkley ?
Do you really think to be the personified truth ?
Be ashamed of all your intolerance, you prove everyday on public forums ...
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I'm the most tolerant person you'll ever come across.
What is freedom? None of us are free. Not unless you consider being a debt-slave freedom. We live in a world where we are told that consumption of finite resources is path to enlightenment, and many an idiot doesn't even question it. If you can tell me how such a ridiculous social model can bring peace and prosperity, then you can tell me to shut up. Fact is that you cannot; competition for resources is just that...competition. It is human nature (evolution anyone?) to be competitive, to fight, to kill, to dominate, to enslave. How it is done is irrelevant. Fact is that we'll always be slaves in one way or another.
What is a terrorist? Someone whose view is in direct conflict with my own, or so the prevalent media sources would have me believe. I say screw them; my mind is my own, my opinion is my own, and my actions are my own. Label me a terrorist and you are undermining the very thing that you claim sacred...FREEDOM.
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Hauke, the hypocrisy in your post amuses me; you're not very tolerant of my apparent intolerance. :)
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Quote ( Hauke Johannsen @ January 9th 2015,22:58:09 ) Who are you, Winkley ?
Do you really think to be the personified truth ?
They have the WWE in Wales?
Because The "Personified Truth" is one of the best wrestler name ideas.. like, ever :D
Quote ( Vladimir Jelicic @ January 9th 2015,20:10:21 ) No, USA didn't pick a target yet.
seriously..What the hell is this? Are you trying to be funny.. You kinda failed..
If you don't stop with these stereotypes I'm going to send an army of overweight soccer moms,armed with Super sized cups of fake espresso,and I'm going to make them force you to eat Hot Pockets!! Stereotypes aren't cool man. Leave the U.S out of it..
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Quote ( Michael Winkley @ January 9th 2015,23:11:56 ) What is a terrorist? Someone whose view is in direct conflict with my own
No, terrorist is one who is killing people (mostly unarmed) for their view. I can have whatever view I want. But i will not go out to kill citizens disagreing with my view!
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Tell that to your local media organization.
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Quote ( Michael Winkley @ January 9th 2015,23:11:56 ) I'm the most tolerant person you'll ever come across.
Lol !!!
Quote ( Michael Winkley @ January 9th 2015,23:11:56 ) bla bla
off topic, this tread is about Charlie Hebdo !!!
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