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Jukka Sireni2
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Kiriman lama #1138 dikirim Sep 20 2016, 23:22:01 Sebut 
Quote ( Guilherme Di Franco @ September 20th 2016,23:19:23 )


ok, and how u get good results?

see it now?


No, I don't see it. If you now need less risks to get good results, then you can get good results with less risks. So they don't care your risks as long as you get results.
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Kiriman lama #1139 dikirim Sep 20 2016, 23:23:02 Sebut 
If you need less risks to get good results then you have more money to spend in any event since you'll be replacing parts less frequently.

#whoneedssponsors
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Kiriman lama #1140 dikirim Sep 20 2016, 23:23:04 Sebut 
vlad in the announcements wont a feedback for this beautiful and request change.

every managers wont overtakes, good graphics, sponsor management whit a true reponse, ecc.
this request for you are shit, but energy change is ok. from 2 race you change the calculation because energy change is not made of an intelligent thought , but it's all born by the fate or a roll of the dice when you are drunk
the game now is a lottery, by a manager whit great driver and manager naked

my feedback is not about the game, is a suggest for you:

participates in a cosplay contest as a lookalike bernie ecclestone , surely win even without white hair and glasses
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Kiriman lama #1141 dikirim Sep 20 2016, 23:23:21 (terakhir disunting Sep 20 2016, 23:26:06 oleh Claudio Szynkier) Sebut 
Quote ( Guilherme Di Franco @ September 20th 2016,22:39:52 )

i'm trying to show how bad is all managers using no risks,



you simply don't know what is happening yet.


and it has nothing to do with having or not experience on master.



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Kiriman lama #1142 dikirim Sep 20 2016, 23:24:19 Sebut 
Quote ( Paolo Belleggi @ September 20th 2016,23:23:04 )

roll of the dice when you are drunk

Almost the words that I used in a PM earlier. ;p
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Kiriman lama #1143 dikirim Sep 20 2016, 23:27:28 Sebut 
After using daily spa I've got 50% of recovered energy, after first race I've got only 33% of recovered energy, is that the new change or something else?
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Kiriman lama #1144 dikirim Sep 20 2016, 23:28:42 (terakhir disunting Sep 20 2016, 23:29:18 oleh Jukka Sireni) Sebut 
Quote ( Patryk Szeffler @ September 20th 2016,23:27:28 )

After using daily spa I've got 50% of recovered energy, after first race I've got only 33% of recovered energy, is that the new change or something else?


It was half of what you were missing before race 2, which wasn't too fair, so they changed it. Read the announcement.
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Kiriman lama #1145 dikirim Sep 20 2016, 23:30:49 (terakhir disunting Sep 20 2016, 23:33:10 oleh Jean Chapados) Sebut 
Funny to see that with all that energy spent my driver still has the same weight...I came back from the gym and I lost 1kg with 30 minutes workout and it didn't cost me 700k.
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Kiriman lama #1146 dikirim Sep 20 2016, 23:31:36 Sebut 
He stopped for a McD on his 23 slowing down laps.
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Kiriman lama #1147 dikirim Sep 20 2016, 23:32:09 Sebut 
Quote ( Jukka Sireni @ September 20th 2016,23:28:42 )

It was half of what you were missing before race 2, which wasn't too fair, so they changed it. Read the announcement.


Thanks, now I understand that ;)
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Kiriman lama #1148 dikirim Sep 20 2016, 23:35:15 Sebut 
Driver Energy is perfect I have 0 problem with it :)
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Kiriman lama #1149 dikirim Sep 20 2016, 23:36:33 Sebut 
Quote ( Michael Winkley @ September 20th 2016,23:24:19 )

Quote ( Paolo Belleggi @ September 20th 2016,23:23:04 )

roll of the dice when you are drunk
Almost the words that I used in a PM earlier. ;p


all player have they thought that qualify immediately with energy 0 was an advantage , in five minutes I thought ALL managers , but not vlad!!!! If this change is not hurt and hastily I wonder what could be .

but the thing that is annoying is that the community is asked another , without being heard.

it means that the time , the capacity and the ability to change the game exist , there is no excuse for not doing what we would like. It is not correct and it is a joke
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Kiriman lama #1150 dikirim Sep 20 2016, 23:44:06 Sebut 
This game is really inconsistent. Go to the pits so that it remains 6 percent gasoline with 14% of tires, one race to another we win or lose 3 or 4 seconds in the supplies... This game is getting ridiculous and it has the F1 as the picture! !
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Kiriman lama #1151 dikirim Sep 20 2016, 23:47:05 Sebut 
Quote ( Dan Altobelli @ September 20th 2016,23:44:06 )

Go to the pits so that it remains 6 percent gasoline with 14% of tires, one race to another we win or lose 3 or 4 seconds in the supplies... This game is getting ridiculous and it has the F1 as the picture!


1) What you see in race is the situation a lap before pit. You don't go into pits with 6% fuel and 14% tyres unless you have rains in dry.

2) In real life tyre suppliers were really important too

3) Where is F1?
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Kiriman lama #1152 dikirim Sep 20 2016, 23:47:29 (terakhir disunting Sep 21 2016, 00:16:36 oleh Christopher Jones) Sebut 
Quote ( Gersi Tolve @ September 20th 2016,23:35:15 )

Driver Energy is perfect I have 0 problem with it :)


Me neither i finish 2nd first race 1st this race and didn't run out of energy neither race!!!

so this change all good to me. :)
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Kiriman lama #1153 dikirim Sep 21 2016, 00:59:15 Sebut 
Quote ( Claudio Szynkier @ September 20th 2016,23:23:21 )

you simply don't know what is happening yet.


ok mate
lets see, correct me if im miss something

with this new feature, drivers wont be able to use higher risks
and people are concerned with the energy recovery from their drivers
because they wont recover it in time for next race
so they start to lower their risks, trying to find how much risk they can use

now, what this "everybody with no risks" brings to the game
positive:
- less randoms by risk;
- new feature to learn;
-more money avalible;

negative:
- u wont be able to use higher risks;
- in promotion series u will need to use spa training instead of developing your driver;
this way managers prob will start to choose to not develop their drivers
- everybody running close to it other;
this will make one of the biggest problem(blockers) from the game, even bigger
- more blokers (prosessions) in race;
- create problem with drivers;
it will be harder to control OA of driver, and make it worst to develop a prospect
- create problem with sponsors;
with more blockers and no risks, it will be harder to keep ur sponsors 'happy'


idk but i think it's this, or i missed something?
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Kiriman lama #1154 dikirim Sep 21 2016, 01:01:12 (terakhir disunting Sep 21 2016, 01:10:15 oleh Christopher Jones) Sebut 
Quote ( Guilherme Di Franco @ September 21st 2016,00:59:15 )

Quote ( Claudio Szynkier @ September 20th 2016,23:23:21 )

you simply don't know what is happening yet.

ok mate
lets see, correct me if im miss something

with this new feature, drivers wont be able to use higher risks
and people are concerned with the energy recovery from their drivers
because they wont recover it in time for next race
so they start to lower their risks, trying to find how much risk they can use

now, what this "everybody with no risks" brings to the game
positive:
- less randoms by risk;
- new feature to learn;
-more money avalible;

negative:
- u wont be able to use higher risks;
- in promotion series u will need to use spa training instead of developing your driver;
this way managers prob will start to choose to not develop their drivers
- everybody running close to it other;
this will make one of the biggest problem(blockers) from the game, even bigger
- more blokers (prosessions) in race;
- create problem with drivers;
it will be harder to control OA of driver, and make it worst to develop a prospect
- create problem with sponsors;
with more blockers and no risks, it will be harder to keep ur sponsors 'happy'


idk but i think it's this, or i missed something?


ok i will tell you this, i plan on getting promoted this season. In two races i used CT in both races and i didn't run out of energy neither races. I did learned from first race I didn't get 100% energy back using that much CT, but also learned this race i can use more CT than i used because i only burn 32% energy. So you can use risk, just have to figure how much you can use. I haven't used spa yet because i am trying to learn how much CT I can use by how much energy I recover between races, that way i can train my driver ability. Maybe by the end of the season i might be using the spa, but who knows, because idk if i am yet.
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Kiriman lama #1155 dikirim Sep 21 2016, 01:10:37 Sebut 
Before this race a lot of people were using argument "Oh man, Singapore is the most difficult race, all the others will definitely allow elite to go ct100 easily". What do we have now? 2nd race in a row the energy usage is at the same level (same drivers with the same risk used the same amount), so the argument became invalid. Guys, you have to get a new one quick! :D
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Kiriman lama #1156 dikirim Sep 21 2016, 01:12:12 Sebut 
Quote ( Guilherme Di Franco @ September 21st 2016,00:59:15 )

-more money avalible;


are you sure about this? I am not...

Quote ( Guilherme Di Franco @ September 21st 2016,00:59:15 )

- u wont be able to use higher risks;


this is not negative, just your risk range not 80-100 anymore, everybody will need to learn to use different values.

Quote ( Guilherme Di Franco @ September 21st 2016,00:59:15 )

- in promotion series u will need to use spa training instead of developing your driver;


if you think about it more closely, gaining few percents of energy just to use some risks for few (or one) laps over training the concentration or losing weight for driver... hmm this is not long term planning IMO.
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Kiriman lama #1157 dikirim Sep 21 2016, 01:13:07 (terakhir disunting Sep 21 2016, 01:15:38 oleh Jukka Sireni) Sebut 
Quote ( Guilherme Di Franco @ September 21st 2016,00:59:15 )

- everybody running close to it other;
this will make one of the biggest problem(blockers) from the game, even bigger
- more blokers (prosessions) in race;
- create problem with drivers;
it will be harder to control OA of driver, and make it worst to develop a prospect
- create problem with sponsors;
with more blockers and no risks, it will be harder to keep ur sponsors 'happy'


I strongly disagree with these. Usually close racing is seen better. It's not fun if there is no other car within half a minute (unless you are leading). About blockers, maybe I would do very slight adjustments, but mostly I think overtaking difficulty is good.

Quote ( Virgis Lyss @ September 21st 2016,01:10:37 )

Before this race a lot of people were using argument "Oh man, Singapore is the most difficult race, all the others will definitely allow elite to go ct100 easily". What do we have now? 2nd race in a row the energy usage is at the same level (same drivers with the same risk used the same amount), so the argument became invalid. Guys, you have to get a new one quick! :D


Singapore and Baku were quite similar in GPRO terms. I thibk I did a fraction better with energy, which is what I expected. Also conditions were rather similar.
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Kiriman lama #1158 dikirim Sep 21 2016, 01:18:40 (terakhir disunting Sep 21 2016, 01:30:42 oleh Claudio Szynkier) Sebut 
Quote ( Guilherme Di Franco @ September 21st 2016,00:59:15 )

Quote ( Claudio Szynkier @ September 20th 2016,23:23:21 )

you simply don't know what is happening yet.

ok mate
lets see, correct me if im miss something

with this new feature, drivers wont be able to use higher risks
and people are concerned with the energy recovery from their drivers
because they wont recover it in time for next race
so they start to lower their risks, trying to find how much risk they can use

now, what this "everybody with no risks" brings to the game
positive:
- less randoms by risk;
- new feature to learn;
-more money avalible;

negative:
- u wont be able to use higher risks;
- in promotion series u will need to use spa training instead of developing your driver;
this way managers prob will start to choose to not develop their drivers
- everybody running close to it other;
this will make one of the biggest problem(blockers) from the game, even bigger
- more blokers (prosessions) in race;
- create problem with drivers;
it will be harder to control OA of driver, and make it worst to develop a prospect
- create problem with sponsors;
with more blockers and no risks, it will be harder to keep ur sponsors 'happy'


idk but i think it's this, or i missed something?



you're missing it all. sorry, but you simply didn't understand yet what is happening, and are trying to predict what is coming, which is just a silly attempt that can only generate false doubts in beginners minds.

admins didn't "kill the risks" (neither high risks by the way). they expanded their possibilities. now there is an wide open field. and what matters is not the risk itself, but the proportions between the risks and where/ how/ when each manager will use them. but i think it's out of the subject too. the moaners boredom is the real subject here.

the "positive and negative" thing, if it didn't irritate me for what it simply is (i don't like this kind of dull "company" argumentation like "put positives, now negatives"), i'd deconstruct for the obvious mistakes and precipitations that it brings. but is enough to say you and others are moaning cause you are all moaners, and this is the game here. look at this, rookies: the game is really good, don't believe it's so flawed and unfair.

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Kiriman lama #1159 dikirim Sep 21 2016, 01:20:24 Sebut 
Quote ( Jukka Sireni @ September 21st 2016,01:13:07 )

Quote ( Guilherme Di Franco @ September 21st 2016,00:59:15 )


I strongly disagree with these. Usually close racing is seen better. It's not fun if there is no other car within half a minute (unless you are leading). About blockers, maybe I would do very slight adjustments, but mostly I think overtaking difficulty is good.


I agree about the close racing. Watched my teammate race and he finished 2nd. but him and the leader were right together the second half of the race and the last 10 laps they past each other 3 or 4 times with in those 10 laps. exciting racing because you didn't know who was going to win and if there was going to be a last lap pass or not.
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Kiriman lama #1160 dikirim Sep 21 2016, 01:24:57 Sebut 
With this new feature, we have removed the not so popular, but often reoccurring technical problems related to high risks, which many of you liked to call "randoms".

I have one randon with very low riskof clear track....


14 1:50.308 27 Hard Partially Cloudy 43° 40% -
15 2:00.928 28 Hard Partially Cloudy 43° 40% Car problem, Pit
16 2:37.440 35 Hard Partially Cloudy 43° 40% -

Technical problems
Lap 15 The fuel pump was malfunctioning and had to be checked out

removed ramdoms or not?

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Kiriman lama #1161 dikirim Sep 21 2016, 01:28:21 Sebut 
Quote ( Wagner Miranda @ September 21st 2016,01:24:57 )

With this new feature, we have removed the not so popular, but often reoccurring technical problems related to high risks, which many of you liked to call "randoms".


Quote ( Wagner Miranda @ September 21st 2016,01:24:57 )

related to high risks





Quote ( Wagner Miranda @ September 21st 2016,01:24:57 )

I have one randon with very low riskof clear track....


Quote ( Wagner Miranda @ September 21st 2016,01:24:57 )

very low riskof clear track
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Kiriman lama #1162 dikirim Sep 21 2016, 01:30:11 Sebut 
Quote ( Wagner Miranda @ September 21st 2016,01:24:57 )

With this new feature, we have removed the not so popular, but often reoccurring technical problems related to high risks, which many of you liked to call "randoms".

I have one randon with very low riskof clear track....


14 1:50.308 27 Hard Partially Cloudy 43° 40% -
15 2:00.928 28 Hard Partially Cloudy 43° 40% Car problem, Pit
16 2:37.440 35 Hard Partially Cloudy 43° 40% -

Technical problems
Lap 15 The fuel pump was malfunctioning and had to be checked out

removed ramdoms or not?


i don't consider that a driver risk random. which this energy feature was put in for. they said they didn't take out the tech random with i consider that one is.
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Kiriman lama #1163 dikirim Sep 21 2016, 01:38:34 Sebut 
Fernando....

if there is random relating to high risk, so I can use 100 risk that there will be more random and risk 0 is random? what is the point of that? I do not see any logic.

if it is withdrawn the randoms high risk, it will be logically drawn low risk?
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Kiriman lama #1164 dikirim Sep 21 2016, 01:52:03 Sebut 
Quote ( Wagner Miranda @ September 21st 2016,01:38:34 )

Fernando....

if there is random relating to high risk, so I can use 100 risk that there will be more random and risk 0 is random? what is the point of that? I do not see any logic.

if it is withdrawn the randoms high risk, it will be logically drawn low risk?


Some randoms were related to high risk and were removed.

That random was not related and was a "true" random.

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Kiriman lama #1165 dikirim Sep 21 2016, 01:54:27 Sebut 
energy to limit high risk at each race and add another parameter to take care => good idea

(except if higher risk is no longer possible...)

Spa training to restore high energy => very very bad idea, suppress all the avantages of the first idea
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Kiriman lama #1166 dikirim Sep 21 2016, 02:01:09 Sebut 
Quote ( Marco Verati @ September 21st 2016,01:54:27 )

energy to limit high risk at each race and add another parameter to take care => good idea

(except if higher risk is no longer possible...)

Spa training to restore high energy => very very bad idea, suppress all the avantages of the first idea


i see your point on the spa but they can choose to either send driver to spa or train your driver. so choosing the spa has it benefits for next race but in long term for driver is bad because they don't get train. but that will be that is manager choice.

higher risk well you can use high risk, but if your driver can't handle it then it will go to 0.
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Kiriman lama #1167 dikirim Sep 21 2016, 02:12:22 (terakhir disunting Sep 21 2016, 02:16:25 oleh Florin Ceapa) Sebut 
Quote ( Wagner Miranda @ September 21st 2016,01:38:34 )

if there is random relating to high risk, so I can use 100 risk that there will be more random and risk 0 is random? what is the point of that? I do not see any logic.

if it is withdrawn the randoms high risk, it will be logically drawn low risk?


It´s been explained before , for myself too... what happened to you it´s a case of , let´s call it , pure tech problem random ... You have to take it as it is , sometimes things get damaged for no reason , just like in real life some people like to think...

However , due to this new change, a lot more reasons will be stopping people from using the standard OBP strategy , which mainly implies going from 100CT(or just a high CT risk for a certain level of the game) to 0CT from one race to another, or the other way around, and so on ...so this sort of "punishment"(this term is no longer true for high risks as they finally found an interesting solution with this energy feature ) seems to me a bit hursh, it did before too ...There should always be a "safe mode" allowed , for people who decide not to take any risks , or just low risks...

Real life has nothing to do with my opinion on this matter , in fact , in real life each similar problem brings probably the same stress , but it doesn´t cost you at the end... each sloppy manufacturer pays for the caused damage , not you by ending the race with a full wear sometimes ,besides unhappy sponsors and so on ...

For as long as we play a management game , there should be no tech random factor allowed , that minimizes your right to manage your risks towards 0 or a safe mode , especially if you get one of the many safe risk combinations for a specific track ! It´s either they turn this into pure randoms , flat tyres and so on , or open a refund option in the car parts upgrade menu :P

But this is quite a different subject and maybe , at some point -maybe already exists- , will need a separate approach
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