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Kiriman lama #1 dikirim Mei 1 2017, 08:59:26 (terakhir disunting Mei 1 2017, 09:16:06 oleh Pieter De Buck) Sebut 
Hi all,

I will keep it short and simple: why not introduce the possibility to form a 2-headed team in your series every season to complete for the constructors title! Just add up the points and grant some prize money according to the standing? Let's say 3 Mio for nr.1 down to 100k for nr 20.

Pro's:
- easy to implement
- more interaction within each series as you have to find a decent teammate
- Tiny extra tactical element as you can select "let teammate pass", an order quite irrelevant today otherwise

Cons:

Anyone?

So no extra visible data to eachother, just one click in the beginning of the season sending requests to eachother.

What do you guys think of this? Please share your views!
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Kiriman lama #2 dikirim Mei 1 2017, 09:11:43 Sebut 
Sounds interesting :)
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Kiriman lama #3 dikirim Mei 1 2017, 09:38:23 Sebut 
could be interesting
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Kiriman lama #4 dikirim Mei 1 2017, 09:47:02 Sebut 
interesting
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Kiriman lama #5 dikirim Mei 1 2017, 10:00:44 Sebut 
Sounds great.
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Kiriman lama #6 dikirim Mei 1 2017, 10:06:53 Sebut 
Interesting
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Kiriman lama #7 dikirim Mei 1 2017, 10:08:03 Sebut 
The idea is good but I wouldn't add prize money to it. Amateur is already full of money: /gb/Stats.asp?type=richmanagers#scrol.l In TERG this already exists and it's quite fun.

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Kiriman lama #8 dikirim Mei 1 2017, 10:08:26 Sebut 
Than 2 strongest will team up and take the price money
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Kiriman lama #9 dikirim Mei 1 2017, 10:09:19 Sebut 
Great idea :)
Certainly might make some of the inactive Group Forums more active, with a bit of banter & more fun within the Group

Thumbs up from me :)
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Kiriman lama #10 dikirim Mei 1 2017, 10:21:10 Sebut 
Quote ( Niels Wolters @ May 1st 2017,10:08:26 )

Than 2 strongest will team up and take the price money


There's your answer
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Kiriman lama #11 dikirim Mei 1 2017, 10:27:43 (terakhir disunting Mei 1 2017, 10:30:43 oleh Paul Sims) Sebut 
But do you know who are going to be the 2 strongest before the season starts?

I appreciate that you have a rough idea in the higher leagues but you can't guarantee it.

And don't forget you will trying to beat each other in the group too.

I think it will be good for the group forums

Or you can only choose a team mate from the bottom half of the previous season standings if you finished in the top half. promotions go into bottom half, relegations go into top half.
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Kiriman lama #12 dikirim Mei 1 2017, 11:04:08 Sebut 
I like it. But without the prize money.
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Kiriman lama #13 dikirim Mei 1 2017, 11:07:35 Sebut 
Naming those teams could be quite fun too
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Kiriman lama #14 dikirim Mei 1 2017, 11:10:45 Sebut 
Let's say the team you are actually in today. The teammates you have in Pro Amateur or Rookie, elite and Master go into the same group as you.

if you have 4 managers in amateurs. you could put two managers in group one and the other two in group 2 and fight for a constructors title that way
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Kiriman lama #15 dikirim Mei 1 2017, 11:18:34 (terakhir disunting Mei 1 2017, 11:20:52 oleh Mikko Heikkinen) Sebut 
Quote ( Pieter De Buck @ May 1st 2017,08:59:26 )

Hi all,

I will keep it short and simple: why not introduce the possibility to form a 2-headed team in your series every season to complete for the constructors title!


This already exists.

TERG :)
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Kiriman lama #16 dikirim Mei 1 2017, 11:24:31 Sebut 
Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ May 1st 2017,11:18:34 )

Quote ( Pieter De Buck @ May 1st 2017,08:59:26 )

Hi all,

I will keep it short and simple: why not introduce the possibility to form a 2-headed team in your series every season to complete for the constructors title!

This already exists.

TERG :)


But since it's not "in-game" most managers aren't really concerned are they?
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Kiriman lama #17 dikirim Mei 1 2017, 11:32:01 Sebut 
Would love that!
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Kiriman lama #18 dikirim Mei 1 2017, 11:39:01 Sebut 
Quote ( Pieter De Buck @ May 1st 2017,08:59:26 )

Just add up the points and grant some prize money according to the standing? Let's say 3 Mio for nr.1 down to 100k for nr 20.


That would definately be a con

There is no need to start handing out more money for the group leaders.

IF this was done, then an achievement should be prize enough
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Kiriman lama #19 dikirim Mei 1 2017, 11:55:28 Sebut 
You can cancel out the addition of money into the game by asking a fee for formation of the team. The height of the fee could depend on your team mate's ranking in the previous season (i.e. if you want to team up with a good manager, you pay more). This would give a benefit to those who take the effort of studying their group mates and predicting who is expected to take a step forward in the next season.

Alternatively, indeed leave out the prize money To prevent the top managers to form a team together, add the requirement that all teams must consist of 1 manager from the top half and 1 from the bottom half the table.

Or even assign team mates automatically based on the pre-season ranking table.

Anyway, in whatever form this gets implemented, it's a great idea!
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Kiriman lama #20 dikirim Mei 1 2017, 12:01:06 Sebut 
TERG is a similar concept, but a completely different execution.

The idea behind this one would be to integrate the group members more and I quite like it. The prize money shouldn´t definitely be high (if at all), but maybe some kind of a small gesture would be nice (such as 500k-1mil, depending on the group).

However, what if not everyone want/care to participate? Should they be assigned a team mate randomly after the deadline ends anyway (assuming it´s the R1 qualy deadline)?

How should the process of selecting a group teammate look like, especially if you don´t know anyone from that group previously?

If we could get a working concept together, maybe Vlad would give this one more thought as I do believe it could be made feasible. While it would only be a minor addition to the game, maybe that little nudge would be all it takes to get the group forum a bit more lively and provide just that little-bit more excitement in the races for newcomers. Even if only a handful of people would care about it in the group, I believe it could still add enough value compared to the time it takes for it to be developed/implemented.
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Kiriman lama #21 dikirim Mei 1 2017, 12:36:05 Sebut 
Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ May 1st 2017,11:39:01 )

There is no need to start handing out more money for the group leaders


Agreed, but some small influence on nagotiations with sponsors would be nice :)

Quote ( Niels Wolters @ May 1st 2017,10:08:26 )

Than 2 strongest will team up and take the price money


Some restrictions could prevent that. For example, managers who finished last season in 4th-15th places can't make a team and/or they can't make a team with managers who are just relegated from higher level...
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Kiriman lama #22 dikirim Mei 1 2017, 12:46:59 Sebut 
Quote ( Niels Wolters @ May 1st 2017,10:08:26 )

Than 2 strongest will team up and take the price money


How about team competition starting after race 2... when, just like in cup, you will be paired with other player:
1→40 together in team
2→39
3→38
...
or 1→32 ,so you have to do something to get into team competition.
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Kiriman lama #23 dikirim Mei 1 2017, 12:53:11 Sebut 
Quote ( Goran Slunjski @ May 1st 2017,12:46:59 )


or 1→32 ,so you have to do something to get into team competition.


Sounds reasonable to me :)
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Kiriman lama #24 dikirim Mei 1 2017, 12:54:16 (terakhir disunting Mei 1 2017, 12:55:55 oleh Michael Armbruster) Sebut 
Good idea! :-)

Quote ( Niels Wolters @ May 1st 2017,10:08:26 )

Than 2 strongest will team up and take the price money

And let each other pass? I don't think so! ;-)
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Kiriman lama #25 dikirim Mei 1 2017, 13:35:29 Sebut 
Quote ( Paul Sims @ May 1st 2017,10:27:43 )

But do you know who are going to be the 2 strongest before the season starts?

You would have a reasonably good idea who is going for promotion so you're not really going to team up with anyone else.
Quote ( Paul Sims @ May 1st 2017,10:27:43 )

Or you can only choose a team mate from the bottom half of the previous season standings if you finished in the top half. promotions go into bottom half, relegations go into top half.

Sounds like a better idea.
Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ May 1st 2017,11:39:01 )

There is no need to start handing out more money for the group leaders.

Agree
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Kiriman lama #26 dikirim Mei 1 2017, 14:05:21 Sebut 
Nice to get some feedback on this idea :-)

I agree there is no need to enhance the existing "problem" of money-hoarding in Amateur. Would be a pity to let this go only because of this and sink the opportunity to add some series-interaction to this game. So would suggest to make the prize money more tiny:500k-1 Mio max for the winner and equal steps down. If you don't bother, no money. Anyhow you need some reward i guess to make this appealing, apart from the extra layer of excitement during the race. Like you can't play poker without any reward, a small prize, like a round of drinks the end of night, makes it hard fought for. Alternatively as suggested, an effect on sponsor is possible aswell. Feel free to elaborate on this

Concerning level playing field, I'm not in favour to put any restrictions on team formations. If you get along with someone in your series, you should always be able to team up and motivate and learn from eachother.

About timing for getting teamed up, i would suggest before the start of R1. Just keep things simple. This way you can have a look n the first Q's and/or do some preseason homework. Furthermore if you expect to remain in the series you can start midseason talks already with other managers looking to remain. I would not autoform teams that not team up by themselves. It's only a small effort and minor teams shouldn't get beaten by people who don't bother.

Any further thought and/or suggestions on this?
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Kiriman lama #27 dikirim Mei 1 2017, 14:37:54 (terakhir disunting Mei 1 2017, 14:48:22 oleh Stuart Foster) Sebut 
Well, I wouldn't have a problem with money being involved if the money for fastest lap was adjusted maybe. If it was only 500k per race instead of 1 million then the 8 million or so taken from that would allow for 4 million per player for "best team" or "best duo" from a group in every league. But I agree with what others said that the choice should have to not allow existing players from a league to pick another who finished inside the top 20 of the previous season standing, or something like that :)

I quite like the idea cos it does promote interaction between players in groups and that has to be a good thing. Money doesn't have to be involved to make it worthwhile in all honesty, but even a tiny prize to give it some kind of merit. Perhaps introducing a higher rate tax for extremely wealthy managers (+150 million?) like andrew watson suggested previously would help "pay" for offering a prize for it even.

I think amateur would be the principle beneficiary of the feature, it's pretty quiet in there these days so something like that can certainly help fuel/encourage a bit more interaction between managers that's been lacking for quite a while in many groups.

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Kiriman lama #28 dikirim Mei 1 2017, 14:46:57 (terakhir disunting Mei 1 2017, 15:01:19 oleh Mikko Heikkinen) Sebut 
Quote ( Pieter De Buck @ May 1st 2017,14:05:21 )

I agree there is no need to enhance the existing "problem" of money-hoarding in Amateur. Would be a pity to let this go only because of this and sink the opportunity to add some series-interaction to this game. So would suggest to make the prize money more tiny:500k-1 Mio max for the winner and equal steps down. If you don't bother, no money. Anyhow you need some reward i guess to make this appealing, apart from the extra layer of excitement during the race. Like you can't play poker without any reward, a small prize, like a round of drinks the end of night, makes it hard fought for


Would not an achievement in 6 categories be sufficient incentive ?

A bit like these:

General Partnership (Win miniteams season in any group)
Rookie Partnership (Win miniteams season in a Rookie group)
Amateur Partnership (Win miniteams season in an Amateur group)
Pro Partnership (Win miniteams season in a Pro group)
Master Partnership (Win miniteams season in a Master group)
Elite Partnership (Win miniteams season in the Elite group)

I'm not good at naming things :)
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Kiriman lama #29 dikirim Mei 1 2017, 15:45:36 Sebut 
you could consider 1 year supporter credits for free instead of price money
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Kiriman lama #30 dikirim Mei 1 2017, 15:58:49 (terakhir disunting Mei 1 2017, 15:59:00 oleh Stuart Foster) Sebut 
1 year would be too much, maybe 1 season.
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