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Topik: I ran on Wet tyres :)) |
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#1 dikirim Jan 19 2018, 20:31:07 (terakhir disunting Jan 19 2018, 20:34:28 oleh Eugen Kovacs)
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first pit on 10 alltho my tyres were 20%, next pit on 18 alltho my tyres were 22%...and the trend goes on! People on Hard Tyres pited first time on lap 26/28...IS THIS NORMAL???
I knew i will be very slow but i thought i will compensate and at least pit only 3 times. now seems i will pit 8 or more. Frustrated and funny at the same time :))
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#2 dikirim Jan 19 2018, 20:33:06 (terakhir disunting Jan 19 2018, 20:35:06 oleh Eugen Kovacs)
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i pitted again @ 28. Could this be a bug?
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#3 dikirim Jan 19 2018, 20:43:08
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Looks like your only adding a small amount of fuel each stop.
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#4 dikirim Jan 19 2018, 20:45:58 (terakhir disunting Jan 19 2018, 20:46:05 oleh Eugen Kovacs)
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nope, i only pit cause bad tyres
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#5 dikirim Jan 19 2018, 20:48:31
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Well, now you know running wet tyres in dry conditions, especially at high temps, wear out very quickly 😀
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#6 dikirim Jan 19 2018, 20:49:43
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yeah, i learned now :D i had nothing to loose so i tried, but i was very surprised(at least)
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#7 dikirim Jan 19 2018, 22:41:31
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Quote ( Eugen Kovacs @ January 19th 2018,20:33:06 ) i pitted again @ 28. Could this be a bug?
Eugen, you can edit your post within the immediate 30 minutes... no need to double post ;-)
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#8 dikirim Feb 15 2018, 19:17:14
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Why doesn't cars immediately pit when they start on wrong tyres? I don't mean the situation where you accidentally select wrong tyres and want to change tyre selection before the race. Managers should be careful.
What I mean is, at race strategy page, we select when the car will enter pits in case of track dries or gets wet. I think when we select a wet or dry tyre for start and the situation turns the opposite, the car should enter the pits. I don't think it's getting away with a mismanagement. Because it's already allowed (actually wanted to decide) in the race. Getting into pits especially in the beginning is already a disadvantage. So why can't cars pit after first lap? There are weather forecasts where it says rain probability at the start is 30-50%. We can't calculate the start, there is no FOBY thing, we just gamble and decide wet or dry tyres. But if the situation comes opposite, the cars may do the first lap with wrong tyres (they'll go slow, disadvantage) and may pit to change tyres (pit after first lap, disadvantage). So isn't double disadvantage enough for wrong guessing the weather forecast?
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#9 dikirim Feb 15 2018, 19:22:20
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Because starting on wrong tyres CAN be a well thought strategic decision, Sinan. Check this race forecast for example, do you think starting on slicks would be a bad idea?
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Quote ( Sinan Bahadir @ February 15th 2018,19:17:14 ) Why doesn't cars immediately pit when they start on wrong tyres? I don't mean the situation where you accidentally select wrong tyres and want to change tyre selection before the race. Managers should be careful.
So why can't cars pit after first lap?
Why would you even want to ?
IF you wanna use wet tyres why not use them in start OR if you wanna use dry tyres why not use them in start.
If you haven't chosen accidentally tyre "X" then why would you wanna use it for just one lap and then change ?
I just don't get what you're going for
Quote ( Florencia Caro @ February 15th 2018,19:22:20 ) Because starting on wrong tyres CAN be a well thought strategic decision,
Almost said that, but it's SO obvious :)
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Let me make myself clear. The weather forecast shows 60% rain during 0-30min of the race. There is not a way to exactly guess what situation track will be at the start. I just guess and let's say choose wet tyre. In the race settings I choose 0 laps in order to immediately pit whenever it rains or dry. Then the race starts. Ooops. It's a dry track. I don't want a redemption like let me start with dry tyres. I should do one (way slooow) lap with my wet tyres and should get my punishment. But then, the track condition setting may come into play and let my driver pit and change tyres. By this way, I would be 1-doing a slow lap, 2-making a pit stop in the first lap and lose at least 40 seconds (Since it's in first lap, it can't make me do one less pit during race, the car will have to do what I guessed at my race strategy eventually) and that should be enough. But under current conditions, my pilot 1-makes 7-8 slow laps 2-make a pit stop way earlier than I calculated 3-since my pilot pitted earlier than calculated he will eventually do the other pit stops.
I have to say, there had been a situation where forecast showed 80% rain in 0-30mins of the race, I considered it's a high probability and choose wet tyres and the game started on dry track.
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#12 dikirim Feb 15 2018, 19:37:10 (terakhir disunting Feb 15 2018, 19:38:29 oleh Robin Goodey)
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Quote ( Sinan Bahadir @ February 15th 2018,19:36:13 ) There is not a way to exactly guess what situation track will be at the start.
There is NO guesswork as to what the track will be at the start - it is ALWAYS the exact weather of Quali 2.
Thus for tomorrow's race, lap 1 will be WET and will be 21 degrees.
How long it stays wet is another thing - and that is where both sets of tyres MIGHT be a good option.
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Quote ( Sinan Bahadir @ February 15th 2018,19:36:13 ) Let me make myself clear. The weather forecast shows 60% rain during 0-30min of the race. There is not a way to exactly guess what situation track will be at the start.
It will be whatever q2 was
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Quote ( Sinan Bahadir @ February 15th 2018,19:36:13 ) hen the race starts. Ooops. It's a dry track.
Q2 defines the track condition for lap 1, so no, that is not possible. You DO know what condition the track will be on lap 1.
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Quote ( Robin Goodey @ February 15th 2018,19:37:10 ) There is NO guesswork as to what the track will be at the start - it is ALWAYS the exact weather of Quali 2
Really? OMG. How couldn't I recognize that. You mean, Silverstone Q2 was wet. Forecast shows 0-30m rain probability 0-1%. But since Q2 was wet, the race will start on wet, right?
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Quote ( Sinan Bahadir @ February 15th 2018,19:39:58 ) Quote ( Robin Goodey @ February 15th 2018,19:37:10 )
There is NO guesswork as to what the track will be at the start - it is ALWAYS the exact weather of Quali 2
Really? OMG. How couldn't I recognize that. You mean, Silverstone Q2 was wet. Forecast shows 0-30m rain probability 0-1%. But since Q2 was wet, the race will start on wet, right?
Correct
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Quote ( Sinan Bahadir @ February 15th 2018,19:39:58 ) Quote ( Robin Goodey @ February 15th 2018,19:37:10 )
There is NO guesswork as to what the track will be at the start - it is ALWAYS the exact weather of Quali 2
Really? OMG. How couldn't I recognize that. You mean, Silverstone Q2 was wet. Forecast shows 0-30m rain probability 0-1%. But since Q2 was wet, the race will start on wet, right?
Yes
If you look at the forecast it says Q2/race start
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I saw all your messages. I am really ashamed of myself for not seeing that. I got the idea. OK and thank you all. The problem is solved.
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Its ok for Sinan to not know this already as I'm pretty sure we have not had a situation like for a long while, was a time when they were common but think we have been on a 'dry spell' :P
But yes Robin said it best, its then just a question of guessing when or IF it stops raining, Remember - there is a 1% chance it stays wet for the first half hour here...
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Well technically it could stay wet for 59.59 of the race extremely unlikely but possible :)
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Yes, since start condition is certain then making strategic decision is purely manager's responsibility and (s)he should get his reward or punishment.
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Quote ( Sam Norris @ February 15th 2018,19:44:54 ) Remember - there is a 1% chance it stays wet for the first half hour here...
Is there? =]
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We'll always have Kyalami...
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Quote ( Max Watson @ February 15th 2018,19:51:19 ) Is there? =]
aww shit its 0.5% innit?
Well I take it all back.... (in ralph wiggum voice) THATS UNPOSSIBLE!
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Well, how about that weather? It stayed wet for a lot longer than I expected.
Thought I was getting a tactical head-start on the other teams by starting on slicks and delaying the pitstop if it started raining, so they wouldn't come in and change to rains on the first lap.
Unfortunately nearly everyone had the same idea in my race, and those who started on wets actually did better because it didn't seem to stop raining until lap 7.
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Write it down and use it for your info when we get a similar forecast, last races forecast clould have gone either way with what tyre was best to start on
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The earliest it ever stopped raining in any race is lap 3 of Silverstone in S50....so....with that in mind Lap 6 was in the ballpark of what most seasoned players would reasonably have expected from the last race. Worth doing as William says above. Kyalami-gate aside, there are general trends with this kind of race situation.
Fenwick, I'd really recommend you looked for a team at this point dude. I know you said before you wanna try things alone, and hats off for that, but now you're in amateur you can help yourself a lot better by being in a team for this kind of thing - it'll really help you, especially regards to the long term aspect of the game, never mind race planning :)
Quote ( Sam Norris @ February 15th 2018,19:57:10 ) aww shit its 0.5% innit?
You forgot about the hocus pocus element ;) Probability is just a word....indefinitely ;p
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Quote ( Fenwick Trevathen @ February 18th 2018,13:26:12 ) delaying the pitstop if it started raining, so they wouldn't come in and change to rains on the first lap. It was already raining at the start so he never would have stopped on the first lap.
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What's Kyalami-gate?
By the way, I gambled and started on dry tyres in the hope of rain stopping after 1 lap. I panicked at first and thought my tyres would degrade 10% in addition to 10sec slow laptime. But surprisingly, my tyres hold strong and pitted as I planned. Doing one less pitstop gained me the time that I lost on wrong tyres.
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Quote ( Sinan Bahadir @ February 19th 2018,15:08:37 ) What's Kyalami-gate?
its to do with the weather in s62 r9 , prediction was ranging between 84%-96% across the race and it stopped raining in lap 15 and never started again , I would add this race was an outlier IMO :)
I am still amazed at all the fuss about that , but the same people who kicked up a fuss havent questioned the first 6 races of this season being on the cooler side :)
Quote ( Sinan Bahadir @ February 19th 2018,15:08:37 ) By the way, I gambled and started on dry tyres in the hope of rain stopping after 1 lap. I panicked at first and thought my tyres would degrade 10% in addition to 10sec slow laptime. But surprisingly, my tyres hold strong and pitted as I planned. Doing one less pitstop gained me the time that I lost on wrong tyres.
as others have said I believe, starting on the wrong tyre can be a perfectly valid strategy , depending on the forecast and individual track
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