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Quote ( Andrew Wilden @ May 28th 2019,13:55:17 ) Quote ( Mike Brummert @ May 27th 2019,17:06:25 )
Quote ( Andrew Wilden @ May 27th 2019,10:17:46 )
Mike that would be great But In reality I don't think it will happen. Certainly not in the near future. I think Toto and Merc are quite content with their current line up of Hamilton & Bottas. Why wouldn't they be ? This is starting to look like McLaren in 1988. So for Leclerc to join Merc I think he will need to wait for a retirement, because I can't see either of Mercs current drivers being sacked.
so, I’m not trying to make any 2020 silly season predictions. Only ha e 2 points. 1) if I was leclerc I would already be second guessing my Ferrari career. 2)if I were an f1 fan (I am) I’d like to see him in a Mercedes next to Hamilton.
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#92 dikirim Mei 29 2019, 07:07:47 (terakhir disunting Mei 29 2019, 07:09:20 oleh Luke Frost)
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By the way if Red Bull stopped picking favourites, Daniel couldve got the job done on Lewis. The fact he's in that piece of crap French spew coloured touring car called a Renault is a disgrace and a disservice to all Aussie fans..... Hes the only driver who can stop Hamilton and they give him the Alonso treatment (top driver in shit car) and it makes me mad as hell. Hes probably Australias last F1 title hope :(
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Luke, Did you have one too many cold ones at smoko ? I am a true blue Aussie & yeah like Daniel a lot. Great guy, fantastic driver, hate his previous team. But There is no way you can compare him to Lewis. While he is becoming more of a whinger I admit, he is easily the best driver on the grid. He is right up there with the greats. Senna, Niki, Schumacher, Fangio, etc
You are still young Mate. I am sure you will see another Aussie world champion in your lifetime. Hopefully in mine as well.
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Lewis, yes i agree he is the best on the grid and its not even close. Vettel was considered that, but we now know it was the car. Lewis is absolutely comparable to the all time greats...im just saying i think Ricciardo is the next best and could possibly beat him if given a car with similar speed & reliability. His many wins in the past few seasons prove that.
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Maybe I'm just a crazy idjit, but I'd honestly like to see Le Clerc join Mercedes side by side Hamilton.
Ferrari just seems to be career suicide these days.
Sorry Bottas, you've been on fire this season mate, but jeez, seeing the old guard and new blood actually race eachother sure would give the sport something to watch, even if its continued Merc dominance.
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Quote ( Luke Frost @ May 29th 2019,09:52:36 ) Lewis, yes i agree he is the best on the grid and its not even close. Vettel was considered that, but we now know it was the car.
That's F1 my friend, put Hamilton in a Renault and he won't come near of the podium neither. It is (almost) always the strongest car who wins and not the strongest driver by definition. ;)
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In 2009 he got some great results with a McLaren that was basically equal to what the Renault is right now...
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Quote ( Upeo Unaozidi @ May 29th 2019,10:06:03 ) Quote ( Luke Frost @ May 29th 2019,09:52:36 )
Lewis, yes i agree he is the best on the grid and its not even close. Vettel was considered that, but we now know it was the car.
That's F1 my friend, put Hamilton in a Renault and he won't come near of the podium neither. It is (almost) always the strongest car who wins and not the strongest driver by definition. ;)
I would suggest that you watch a replay of the 1984 Monaco Grand Prix. Senna in a Tolman in his Rookie season taking 2 or 3 seconds, sometime more out of Prosts times per lap in the wet. So Prost stops on the start/finish line and says to stop the race as it was too dangerous. BS he was going to lose to a Rookie in a lesser car. He got away with it & was declared the winner. Guess what ? The head of the FIA that season was French.
Then if that doesn't convince you. Try watching 1985 R2 at Estoril. Full wet race. Senna in only his 16th Grand Prix. Pole, win and fastest lap. Almost a grand chelem. Only car he didn't lap was 2nd and he was only a few seconds away. That was in a JPS Lotus. Not a Ferrari or McLaren.
So don't discount what the Elite in the sport has done in the past in mid pack cars. Lewis would drive the ass off anything he is sitting in. Why ? Because like Senna, he is a true racer. He is there for one reason only, to win.
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Yes he would most likely get up in the top 4 in a lower grade car but he would complain and moan all the way there.
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Quote ( Andrew Wilden @ May 29th 2019,10:53:57 ) Lewis would drive the ass off anything he is sitting in. Andrew, I think you need to rethink this statement. I totally disagree with you here. He is no better than anyone else in an inferior car.
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Quote ( Luke Frost @ May 29th 2019,10:43:52 ) In 2009 he got some great results with a McLaren that was basically equal to what the Renault is right now...
Team Mc Laren was the third best team that season (Even better then the Ferrari's with Raikkonen and Massa). No offence but team Renault is far from that this season, so you comparison is completely wrong.
And to compare Hamilton with Senna is a offence to Senna IMHO.
But luckily we don't have to agree on this. You are free to have your opinion, and I'm free to have mine. And my opinion is that if all drivers in the current field would have similar cars, that Hamilton wouldn't become champion five times. Of course I will never deny that Hamilton is a fantastic driver, which I didn't in my previous post. But you can't deny that if he would drive in any other car this season, that he wouldn't win any race, and that's the only point I want to make. In the end you will need a great car too.
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Up until he retired, i always put Alonso ahead of everyone as he outperformed the cars given to him since 2008. Since Hamilton lost to Rosberg, he's fixed his aggression problems and become a quality all-time great. You can never compare eras but you can compare the achievements of different eras. And he's got time to achieve more than anyone (maybe not Schumi).
In 2009 i dont remember them being clearly 3rd best throughout the season...it was a real battle to get into the top 5 for a few teams. Look at his performances in the first half of that season.
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Quote ( Luke Frost @ May 29th 2019,12:27:30 ) Up until he retired, i always put Alonso ahead of everyone as he outperformed the cars given to him since 2008. Since Hamilton lost to Rosberg, he's fixed his aggression problems and become a quality all-time great. You can never compare eras but you can compare the achievements of different eras. And he's got time to achieve more than anyone (maybe not Schumi).
In 2009 i dont remember them being clearly 3rd best throughout the season...it was a real battle to get into the top 5 for a few teams. Look at his performances in the first half of that season.
Didn't a certain rookie show up his more experienced senior team mate in his 1st season at McLaren?
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Quote ( Steven Hill @ May 29th 2019,11:51:29 ) Andrew, I think you need to rethink this statement. I totally disagree with you here. He is no better than anyone else in an inferior car.
Totally agree ...
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Quote ( MG van Rensburg @ May 29th 2019,12:42:56 ) Didn't a certain rookie show up his more experienced senior team mate in his 1st season at McLaren?
He did indeed.
However 2007 seems to be a bit of an outlier on both their careers. Hamilton was on unbelievable form: fast and consistent, perhaps free of the expectations. But he was unable to repeat that form until 2012-2013 at the earliest.
Alonso never had a season like 2007 before or after. Even at Ferrari his internal frustrations never seemed to hinder his driving. I just wish Alonso could have had that Rosberg's Mercedes seat from 2017 - that would've been incredible to watch.
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I can't verify it but i wouldn't be surprised if FIA did dealings to sabotage Alonso & McLaren after the 2007 spygate situation. Alonso & Hamilton in 2007 was an epic team mate war. To put it in perspective, Vettel had a more competitive war against Webber than Hamilton had against Alonso. Webber wasn't horrible, but it shows the realities of how Hamilton is #1 at the moment.
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Quote ( Andrew Wilden @ May 29th 2019,10:53:57 ) Quote ( Upeo Unaozidi @ May 29th 2019,10:06:03 )
Quote ( Luke Frost @ May 29th 2019,09:52:36 )
Lewis, yes i agree he is the best on the grid and its not even close. Vettel was considered that, but we now know it was the car.
That's F1 my friend, put Hamilton in a Renault and he won't come near of the podium neither. It is (almost) always the strongest car who wins and not the strongest driver by definition. ;)
I would suggest that you watch a replay of the 1984 Monaco Grand Prix. Senna in a Tolman in his Rookie season taking 2 or 3 seconds, sometime more out of Prosts times per lap in the wet. So Prost stops on the start/finish line and says to stop the race as it was too dangerous. BS he was going to lose to a Rookie in a lesser car. He got away with it & was declared the winner. Guess what ? The head of the FIA that season was French.
Then if that doesn't convince you. Try watching 1985 R2 at Estoril. Full wet race. Senna in only his 16th Grand Prix. Pole, win and fastest lap. Almost a grand chelem. Only car he didn't lap was 2nd and he was only a few seconds away. That was in a JPS Lotus. Not a Ferrari or McLaren.
So don't discount what the Elite in the sport has done in the past in mid pack cars. Lewis would drive the ass off anything he is sitting in. Why ? Because like Senna, he is a true racer. He is there for one reason only, to win.
Hi Andrew,
Thank you very much for this response, because it is exactly underlining my statement. "That a great champion does also need a great car to win the title at the end of the season."
I guess that we will all agree when I say that the strenght of the car has less influence in rain races then in dry races ? And that once we have rain races talent and "balls of steel" will have more influence then in dry races ?
So by giving these two examples of Senna in rain races you are exactly showing what I was trying to say.
If you did read my post well, you did read that I said "(almost) always". And rain races are exactly the exceptions I meant.
In 1984 Senna's best result was in the rain race in Monaco. In the dry races, where the influence of the car is higher he wasn't able to repeat this result.
Same story in 1985 where Senna was able to win two races. He did win both races (Portugal and Belgium) on a wet track. A WET TRACK, when the strenght of the car has less influence then in dry races. He wasn't able to win any race on a dry track, neither in 1984, neither in 1985.
So indirectly you agree with my statement. Even the best drivers need a good car to become champion at the end of the season. And we can't deny that Senna was a great champion. ;)
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^^ Smart young girl this. Either from great historical knowledge (hence deep interest) or with excellent google skills; Nevertheless, game, set and match as far as I am concerned.
And regarding a race at Monaco (Apologize in advance, admins assuming all spiritually mature..): The pussy of a virgin is less narrow (and arguably less adventurous) than the Monaco 'race track'... (with the similarity you can't pass once there...).
Never been otherwise; racing in its purest form, nose to gearbox, looking for that one gap that might but often doesnt exist... Where this slightest mistake will at least mean a DNF.. Which Leclerc thankfully showed both in a very good and a very opportunistic way... Or Verstappen in 2018.
Just watch a live race there once or drive the track yourself off season in a reasonable sized car. Imagine the size and speed of a F1 car... Enjoy every race there after in full admiration of each and every driver on track... Watched about 30 of these race now and hopefully for decades to come...
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i still love the clip of senna driving his qualifying lap in monaco.....
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