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Andrea Squizzato
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Kiriman lama #4801 dikirim Ogo 1 2020, 10:01:18 (terakhir disunting Ogo 1 2020, 10:01:39 oleh Andrea Squizzato) Sebut 
Quote ( Luca Sarra @ August 1st 2020,09:28:06 )

Possible bug in last race (hungaroring S77R5 rookie87). At the beginning of lap 77 the driver in first position had a Tyre puncture and didn't finish the race. He made only 76 laps. But in the final ranking he is in the first position. Is it possible? Could you check the race?
thank you

here the link to the race
/it/racescreen.asp?Group=Rookie%20-%2087

Ouch! Very weird: he was leading by 1 lap on everyone, but since he failed on lap 76 I would expect him to finish where the old race screen puts him. Nice bug I guess! Even race summary shows him in first position. Rerun and rain stops in lap 6?
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Kiriman lama #4802 dikirim Ogo 1 2020, 10:07:46 (terakhir disunting Ogo 1 2020, 10:10:40 oleh Tibor Szuromi) Sebut 
Quote ( Andrea Squizzato @ August 1st 2020,10:01:18 )

Rerun and rain stops in lap 6?
Rerun and rain stops in lap 3. I see this.


I became unsure.


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Kiriman lama #4803 dikirim Ogo 1 2020, 10:33:13 (terakhir disunting Ogo 1 2020, 10:46:32 oleh Harsh Sheth) Sebut 
Quote ( Luca Sarra @ August 1st 2020,09:28:06 )

Possible bug in last race (hungaroring S77R5 rookie87). At the beginning of lap 77 the driver in first position had a Tyre puncture and didn't finish the race. He made only 76 laps. But in the final ranking he is in the first position. Is it possible? Could you check the race?
thank you

here the link to the race
/it/racescreen.asp?Group=Rookie%20-%2087


Oooh it finally happened :P Just not at Indy sadly.

Quote ( Harsh Sheth @ February 10th 2020,18:46:32 )

Only a matter of time before someone DNFing will end up either winning Indy or breaking the engine =)


E: So usually how DNFs are dealt with is that your lap time every lap once you are out is 2 times your race leader's lap time (in other words, your gap from the race leader increases by the race leader's lap time in every lap, which makes sense). In this case, the race leader themselves DNFed, I was not sure how the game engine would reaction is this sort of situation. Apparently they simply used the second place person's lap time instead of race leader's lap time. So in this case, the race leader's lap time was 2 times the lap time of the person in second place, thus reducing the gap between the leader and second place by the lap time of the second place person every lap.
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Kiriman lama #4804 dikirim Ogo 1 2020, 11:06:15 (terakhir disunting Ogo 1 2020, 11:08:19 oleh Mark Pinnick) Sebut 
Never mind,
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Kiriman lama #4805 dikirim Ogo 1 2020, 11:25:05 Sebut 
Quote ( Andrea Squizzato @ August 1st 2020,10:01:18 )

Rerun and rain stops in lap 6?


The only sensible solution. :p
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Kiriman lama #4806 dikirim Ogo 1 2020, 12:31:11 Sebut 
Quote ( Harsh Sheth @ August 1st 2020,10:33:13 )

Oooh it finally happened :P Just not at Indy sadly.
IIRC it happened at Indy too.
/gb/RaceSummary.asp?Season=74&Race=10&sort=&orde...
The race leader dropped out on lap 199 but still won the race.
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Kiriman lama #4807 dikirim semalam pada 00:27:42 Sebut 
The best thing about this race is checking the old race viewer (tip: you have to scroll down a bit).

/RaceReplayHistory.asp?Season=77&Race=5&Group=Rookie...
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Kiriman lama #4808 dikirim semalam pada 00:51:01 (terakhir disunting semalam pada 00:51:50 oleh Matías Alloatti) Sebut 
According to the old race viewer, after computing lap 75 the leader had a 1:37.197 gap to the 2nd place driver. Starting lap 76 the leader had a tyre puncture so he wasn't able to make any laptime on the last lap.
The 2nd place driver made 1:24.140 on that last lap, which reduced the gap to 13.057. Did the game considered that after completing lap 76 and since the 2nd place driver couldn't reduce enough the difference, the victory had to be granted to the DNF leader?

I know the engine computes the race lap by lap, so:

LAP 75 Gap 1:37.197
LAP 76 Leader laptime -none- / 2nd place driver laptime 1:24.140 -> Gap 13.057
LAP 77 race ended
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Kiriman lama #4809 dikirim hari ini pada 00:41:32 Sebut 
Quote ( Jasper Coosemans @ August 2nd 2020,00:27:42 )

The best thing about this race is checking the old race viewer (tip: you have to scroll down a bit).

/RaceReplayHistory.asp?Season=77&Race=5&Group=Rookie...

Ok I understand that the old viewer brings a gap of only 13 seconds for the manager who arrived 2nd but who won has not crossed the finish line on lap 77 by not completing the race. So should the verdict be accepted?
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Kiriman lama #4810 dikirim hari ini pada 01:03:03 (terakhir disunting hari ini pada 01:04:08 oleh Bruno Cestino) Sebut 
How is it possible to win the race by retiring? Even Hamilton had to go for a lap with only 3 wheels.
The old viewer, in simplified mode, marks the first as "retired from the race".
/gb/RaceReplay_light.asp?Group=Rookie%20-%2087

How can you win without crossing the finish line?

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Kiriman lama #4811 dikirim hari ini pada 01:03:27 Sebut 
I think the problem here is that the game "had to compute lap 76 twice but didn't do it"

Watching the old race viewer, after computing lap 75, the leader had a gap of 1:37.197 (everyone else was lapped),

On lap 76 the leader had a DNF. Still the game ran lap 76 for "everyone else". After computing lap 76 the 2nd place driver reduced the gap to 13.057.

The problem here is that the 2nd place driver wasn't actually on lap 76, he was on his lap 75 and got unlapped after computing that lap 76 in which the leader had a DNF. So for him, he is starting his lap 76, not finishing it. But the game advanced to lap 77 and finished the race.

There should had been two instances for lap 76. One of those with the leader DNFing because of the tyre puncture while everyone else is lapped, and a second one with the 2nd place driver becoming the new race leader and completing lap 76.

But the game computes 77 laps no matter what so if you are 1 lap ahead and DNF on the last lap, no one will have "enough laps" to catch up and overtake you.
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Kiriman lama #4812 dikirim hari ini pada 02:30:19 (terakhir disunting hari ini pada 02:35:34 oleh Josh Clark) Sebut 
I think (i don't know for sure) it makes sense to look at the race summary and race analysis as completely different entities. Seems more simple this way.

My understanding is the race summary, as well as the lap-by-lap show, the "gaps" to other cars, the "positions" in the race, are all calculated from the cummulative lap times from the race analysis. Meaning the "gaps" and "laps behind" and "positions" are all basically cosmetically added in afterwards.

For example,
Car1
Lap 1: 1:15.600
Lap 2: 1:15.400
Lap 3: 1:15.200.

Car2
Lap 1: 1:15.200
Lap 2: 1:16.000
Lap 3: 1:14:800

Lap 1, Car2 is "ahead" by 0.400s with a total time of 75.200s versus Car1's 75.600s.
Lap 2, Car1 is "ahead" by 0.200s with a total time of 151.000s versus Car2's 151.200s
Lap 3, Car2 is "ahead" by 0.200s with a total time of 226.000s versus Car1's 226.200s


Now that seems obvious. But once you get to the end of the race,

Imagine Car1 is on a total of 5700.000s on their lap 76.
Imagine Car2 is on a total of 5776.000s on their lap 76.

If Car1 crashes, its race time no longer makes any sense, since it will be even lower than it will have been had it completed the next lap. Hence why once a car has a race-ending incident, you will no longer be able to see their total race time anywhere. On the race viewer it will say - Out -, on the summary it will say Tyre Puncture or Technical Problems.

So instead to make it seem like it makes sense on the race summary and race screen, what actually happens (again, to my understanding) is people who crash get double the lap time of the car with the lowest total time, every subsequent lap, added to their total time to produce a made-up gap-to-leader, and therefore a position in the race. (or more specifically a "gap" to the first placed Elite car which is then compared to the rest of the group)






So in the R87 example,
on lap 76,
Paukku had a total time of 6472.311s (guy who crashed on L77)
López had a total time of 6569.508s (next lowest total time)

on lap 77,
Paukku crashes. His advantage over López is reduced to 13.057s
because López set a 84.140s lap time, increasing his total time to 6653.648
Paukku's total time increases by double that lap time, 6472.311 + 168.28 = 6640.591
The difference between which is 13.057.


Bit long winded, sorry.

For another example of this happening, you can also see F. Kiebler in Rookie 73 gaining twice the lap time of the leader when he went out on lap 73, comparing the leader's total time + Kiebler's in Lap 2, then in lap 73 comparing the leader's total time + the total time of the guy behind Kiebler, minus the gap to the car ahead. The difference between Kiebler's total time in those two laps is exactly double the leader's Lap 73 lap time.



Tl;dr,
Race summary = kinda artificially created using race analysis data
Race time = total cummulative laps from race analysis
Race position = that total time sorted by lowest first, every lap
If you crash your total time goes up by 2x the race leader's (car with lowest total time) lap time every lap.
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