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Onderwerp: GPRO Points System-Will it change? |
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Quote ( Stavros Oikonomidis @ June 6th 2014,18:13:40 ) Try first moderating the language used by your fellow Crew members. Answer is in the same tone used by somebody who felt that insulting will make his points stronger (not)
Where did I insult you, Stavros?
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How are real life scoring systems relevant to what is used in GPRO?
Gpro is not F1, rally, dtm, nascar, IndyCar, or any other series. It is it's own game with its own rules.
It's like you want to change the rules of chess because of how the pieces move in checkers.
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When everybody does something different than you, you are either genious or wrong. For many reasons I will take the second option
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Quote ( Stavros Oikonomidis @ June 6th 2014,18:13:40 ) Try first moderating the language used by your fellow Crew members. Answer is in the same tone used by somebody who felt that insulting will make his points stronger (not)
Forgive me, but what should I be moderating? I haven't seen Kevin throwing any sort of insults at you.
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Quote ( Stavros Oikonomidis @ June 6th 2014,18:17:08 ) When everybody does something different than you, you are either genious or wrong. For many reasons I will take the second option
Ok, then what scoring systems do other racing-themed online management games use? Do they all use the same scoring system?
If you're going to say everyone else is using the right system make sure you're comparing the right things.
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Quote ( Jim Sikma @ June 6th 2014,18:16:20 ) How are real life scoring systems relevant to what is used in GPRO?
Gpro is not F1, rally, dtm, nascar, IndyCar, or any other series. It is it's own game with its own rules.
It's like you want to change the rules of chess because of how the pieces move in checkers.
Fully agree with this.
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Quote ( Jim Sikma @ June 6th 2014,18:23:38 ) Quote ( Stavros Oikonomidis @ June 6th 2014,18:17:08 )
When everybody does something different than you, you are either genious or wrong. For many reasons I will take the second option
Ok, then what scoring systems do other racing-themed online management games use? Do they all use the same scoring system?
If you're going to say everyone else is using the right system make sure you're comparing the right things.
From the GPRO team:
the game is unique in the world of F1 management games.
We aim for excellence in producing an online F1 manager game, which provides an attractive simulation of F1 management to numerous players. Keeping in mind the playability and the fun of a challenging game in a friendly community, this game should be a long lasting gaming enjoyment over the years to come.
1. I don't compare it with other games cos it is unique as THEY say
2. I find resemplances with F1 and other motorsports because the team says so. Simulation. Are you familiar with the word?
End of discusion for me, I can point out reasons for the whole weekend but the answers will always be like:
"We don't care if everybody wear shoes in feet, I want to wear it in my head" etc
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Quote ( Stavros Oikonomidis @ June 6th 2014,18:30:40 ) End of discusion
but it's not :)
There is not one genuinely GOOD reason to change to the current F1 or any other point system or increasing to 10 points places.
There are AT LEAST three negatives
1) Increases the points gap from first to last in races
2) Increases the financial reward from first to last
3) Reduces the motivation of players as a result of 1) if a player is far ahead more points in the lead
oh and
4) a 'random' becomes more costly
and then...
5) Managers become more frustrated by them and many more are lost from the game due to a more costly points loss.
I can think of more GOOD reasons to reduce the amount of points for a winner and reducing the number of points places than reasons to increase them.
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Quote ( Stuart Foster @ June 6th 2014,18:35:56 ) but it's not :)
There is not one genuinely GOOD reason to change to the current F1 or any other point system or increasing to 10 points places.
There are AT LEAST three negatives
1) Increases the points gap from first to last in races
2) Increases the financial reward from first to last
3) Reduces the motivation of players as a result of 1) if a player is far ahead more points in the lead
oh and
4) a 'random' becomes more costly
and then...
5) Managers become more frustrated by them and many more are lost from the game due to a more costly points loss.
I can think of more GOOD reasons to reduce the amount of points for a winner and reducing the number of points places than reasons to increase them.
1) also increased the points people can gain to close that gap so I do not see where it would actually change much.
2) I would think the opposite as if doubling points total the reward for each point would be halved as well, spreading the points monetary reward out among more managers rather than making a bigger gap
3) maybe in new players but that is offset, I think, by easier to actaully get any points as it's up to 10 or 12 managers that do gain points instead of the 8 now, so motivation due to getting points is given to more players.
4) someone elses 'random' gives you more gain
5) those frustreated by randomw will still be frustrated by randoms. Those that are not will still not be. My "most likely scenario" thought anyway.
Again I must point out that all that's written in this thread is arbitrary, relative, and personal opinions, no argument for or against will sway those adamant in their opinions and in the end it is up to the Admins on what they will do.
My opinion is still that 10 or 12 people getting points, doubling total points and halving points monetary reward would feel like a better fit with 40 racers for me than the current 8 racers.
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Quote ( Stavros Oikonomidis @ June 6th 2014,18:30:40 ) 2. I find resemplances with F1 and other motorsports because the team says so. Simulation. Are you familiar with the word?
Did you read the rest of the sentence:
Simulation of F1 management -> That means the management bits are to resemble F1, not the points that can be scored in the races.
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Quote ( Jody Parker @ June 6th 2014,19:13:50 ) Again I must point out that all that's written in this thread is arbitrary, relative, and personal opinions
That's not totally true. Some are points of fact; some are opinion.
Ultimately the "for or against" is opinion, of course, but some of the reasons for or against change are up for debate where as some are solid fact.
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Quote ( Wopke Hoekstra @ June 6th 2014,19:33:00 ) Simulation of F1 management -> That means the management bits are to resemble F1, not the points that can be scored in the races.
And to bring in "other motor sports" you would surely have scenarios where all 40 people score. And, as I'm not a fan, I genuinely don't know this, which motorsports out there have regular promotion and relegation?
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Quote ( Kevin Parkinson @ June 6th 2014,19:36:21 ) And to bring in "other motor sports" you would surely have scenarios where all 40 people score. And, as I'm not a fan, I genuinely don't know this, which motorsports out there have regular promotion and relegation?
Yeah, like IndyCar where even the last people score 5 points.
Quote ( Kevin Parkinson @ June 6th 2014,19:36:21 ) which motorsports out there have regular promotion and relegation?
I found somewhere that Mosley had plans for this back in 2006 for F1 and GP2 etc. but that never happened. Couldn't name any other motorsports, but I'm not the person to ask :)
E- Also Kevin, you have an edit button that you can use! Bad mod! :P
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Quote ( Wopke Hoekstra @ June 6th 2014,19:39:38 ) E- Also Kevin, you have an edit button that you can use! Bad mod! :P
Again :(
People have had warnings for backseat modding before, you know. But probably from one of the grumpy mods :p
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6) WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP
6.4 Points for both titles will be awarded at each Event, with the exception of the final Event of the Championship, according to the following scale :
1st : 25 points
2nd : 18 points
3rd : 15 points
4th : 12 points
5th : 10 points
6th : 8 points
7th : 6 points
8th : 4 points
9th : 2 points
10th : 1 point
At the final Event of the Championship points for both titles will be doubled.
We could adopt a similar system to that of formula 1 or a like the Indy. Could be more exciting and competitive .
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Phew, I thought forums were dying.
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Not this old chestnut again. And it all ways seems to come players that have a couple of seasons under their belt. And have just missed out on points in a fair few races or have a low Avg Pts to Race
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It's moments like this when I just want to go nuts & smash everyone's face in
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Meh, like proved, it won't actually change a thing.
(well yeah, it changes for people fighting for retainment, but not for top guns)
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Can we just have this thread locked instead of saying NO all the time? Maybe have a mod message like "DONT YOU OPEN ANOTHER THREAD ON THIS"...
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Quote ( Danilo Oliveira @ October 21st 2014,22:07:07 ) Could be more exciting and competitive .
I still think driving through peruvian jungle would be more exciting and competitive......
/gb/forum/ViewTopic.asp?TopicId=23606
Kevin doesn't agree though :(
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The new points system is the worst that happened to F1. Gpro does a great job not changing it. GPRO IS NOT F1
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Agree! PLEASE NO CHANGES!!!
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As I mentioned last time, though with perhaps the wrong wording... the points system in GPRO won't change, but if there was ever a time where it did change, I would be in favour of a 20-15-12-9-7-5-4-3-2-1 system, rather than the current F1 system.
But 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 is fine too.
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No no the old points system is better bcuz the 25 points for the winner is a big advantage!!
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Quote ( Michał Kożuchowski @ October 21st 2014,22:39:21 ) The new points system is the worst that happened to F1. Gpro does a great job not changing it. GPRO IS NOT F1
Agree with this..
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As I have said countless times before - the system needs to be changed, because the field is 40 cars and such a low percentage scores, meaning that one off good results are what a large amount of drivers are aiming for. After that it is just coasting and saving money making midfield a rather boring affair after you have scored your points for the season. With 10 scoring or even more it eould be far more interesting but I also know it will never be changed...
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Quote ( Gustav Gerretz @ October 22nd 2014,11:34:04 ) As I have said countless times before - the system needs to be changed, because the field is 40 cars and such a low percentage scores, meaning that one off good results are what a large amount of drivers are aiming for. After that it is just coasting and saving money making midfield a rather boring affair after you have scored your points for the season. With 10 scoring or even more it eould be far more interesting but I also know it will never be changed...
I just don't see it. You don't automatically retain by virtue of having scored a point or three. It completely depends on what the level of competition in your particular group is. I have known more than a few people to retain on zero points. Keep in mind that the season standings are determined by points, and in the case of not having any points they are settled by the best finishing position, second best finishing position, etc, which are actually an excellent proxy for points. At the end of the day we could completely do away with the point system altogether and get largely the same results, other than the fact that finishers in P1 and P2 would get less of a boost from where they finish. I don't see how the current point system is any different than one that applies points to all finishers in the fashion of 42-40-38-37-36-35-34-33-32...3-2-1.
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